Stuart Murdoch's Lyrics: Search and Destroy

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The man is acclaimed as a talent and an inspiration. Many of us have a notion that he's written good lines. But what are they? What are your favourites, and why? And what are the clunkers he should have scribbled out on the wee bus to the studio?

the pinefox, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know if it's as simple as 'good lines' because a lot of what gets quoted as good lines were exactly the things that put me off him for so long. The kind of whimsical-local-reference-trainspotting thing - "ooh he mentioned terry underwear / Liverpool And Widnes in a song" (the same song even!) that made B & S sound like Half Man Half Biscuit with sentimentality replacing the gags. And actually that kind of thing still stands out for me and makes me wince a bit - most recent example the "any riot grrrl" bit in 'Marx and Engels'. So it's all in the delivery as usual, or maybe in the cement of the songs around the so-called 'good lines'.

Tom, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with Tom re: 'winsome' parochial lines, but I don't think reverence for them is as widespread as he thinks.

Some favourite lines:

"Everyone suffers in silence a burden / The man who drives minicabs down in Old Compton / The Asian man with his love-hate affair with his racist clientele"

"Listen Johnny / You're like a mother to the girl you've fallen for / And you're still falling"

"With my face head down just staring at the brown formica / It's safer not to look around"

The kissing just for practice stuff

"Listen Dear, I've been watching you lately / And if I said all these things you would hate me"

"The vicar or whatever"

"In the queue for lunch they take the piss, you've got no appetite / And the rumour is you never go with boys and you are tight /So they jab you with a fork, you drop the tray and go berserk / While your cleaning up the mess the teacher's looking up your skirt"

and above all these days:

"I reminded myself of the words you said when we were getting on"

But it doesn't really work like this. Many of my favourite lyrics come out of the song as a whole rather than quotable lines. And of course, they're not supposed to be read but heard.

N., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"I gave myself to God/there was a pregnant pause/before he said ok" always makes me smile.

I'm a sucker for story songs. I like lyrics about characters who have names and jobs and do things with other characters like "Walk on The Wild Side" or "Stan" or "Jack and Diane" or "Frank Mills" from Hair. There are so many songs that just talk about You and Me and They, there's something that grabs your attention about having a 3rd person narrator. I think Murdoch does this really well.

"The disenchanted pony...circus boy is lonely" couplet is pretty cringe-worthy.

fritz, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All my favourite lyrics are the same as Nick's. Eeek.

Tom, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh I like "People say that / we'll never change / we'll never change / But I have" because of the repetition and the Morrissey- esque quality of it and how it's a sudden bit of defiance which goes against the passive-aggression of the rest of 'Jonathan David' but it suddenly strikes me that 'Jonathan David' is not by Stuart Murdoch, so there, that's my favourite non-Murdoch B&S lyric.

Tom, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know who writes which songs but you can destroy, jump on the ashes of and bury that one about rather being fat rather than stupid or some annoying 14 year old tosh. as you can tell i don't listen that closely, but the one's mentioned so far have included some of the nice lyrics I have caught. if there are people impressed with songs cos they mention terry underwear and thrush, then good luck to em.

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"I'll send a dress to you cos it's needing badly taken in/I was so embarrassed that I missed your party"

"I love the rat that lives under the floor and makes his home from novelettes "

First N quote = line stuck in head that made me want to listen to TBWTAS a second time.

As I have given up listening to them for lent quoting lyrics to myself is my only salvation, mainly the thrush/Boots bit from Lazy Line Painter Jane and the rest of that verse of The Model.

Graham, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"I love the rat that lives under the floor and makes his home from novelettes "

what are you on about now?

N., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i never noticed the asian man line, that's weird. best lyric in boy with the arab strap: 'a mile and a half on the bus takes a long time...' (but i hate the next line about prison food, god that's lame). actually i seem to just like the first line of every song, maybe because it's usually the only one i can understand, 'i'm lucky i can open the door and i can walk down the street' is a great beginning. oh, i also really like 'i love the tone of her voice / i loved the sound of her voice'.

ethan, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I Love My Car (I decided to like it as everyone else hates it (the song that is)

Graham, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I still haven't bought that single.

N., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It saddens me to think That the only ones I see are mannequins Looking stupid, being used and being thin And I don't know why I hang around with them The way they act, I'd rather be fat than be confused

Judd Nelson, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i know i've said this like eight times on ilm but i used to think the 'poetry and music and some laughs' line from family tree was 'i want poetry and music and some ass' which made me a lot happier.

ethan, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i alwyas liked "Judy and the dream of horses" and the first bit from "Seymour Stein":

Seymour Stein- I've been lonely I caught a glimpse of someones face It was mine and I'd been crying

I just looked at their site on jeepster and some of the lyrical mishearings are kind of funny.

g, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You are in two minds
Tossing a coin to decide whether you should tell your mum
About a dose of thrush you got while you were licking railings

And I call her String Bean Jean because the label on her jeans says
Seven to eight years old - well that's pretty small...

xwerxes, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

take a feel off Joe the Storeman

scott p., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"what's on the box - Man About The House with Paula Wilcox"

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh, and "on the telly Sid James speaks to you like God"

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

N. in not recognising I Love My Car lyrics shocker! Actually I think the Beach Boys verse in that is a good one.

Favourites:

pretty much all of String Bean Jean.
The second half of This Is Just A Modern Rock Song

Clunkers:

Nice day for a sulk / The girl smells of milk
Cause I'm here in a cage / With a bottle of rage
The words to Legal Man are pooh - its no wonder that's the only release that doesn't include the lyrics

g - Seymour Stein was written by Stevie Jackson

David, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"I went up to the school/I took a walk up Castle Hill/For every step there was a local boy who wants to be a hero/Do you wanna do it now?/Outside the butcher's with a knife and a bike chain..."

Phil A, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can I channel Ned for a moment and recommend destroying everything Stu has written? Thanks. *flounces away*

Dan Perry, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Dan Perry, do something pretty while you can, don't be a fool / Skating a pirouette with Ned Raggett is cool..."

At least that's how I *think* it goes ;-)

xwerxes, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If there was a sequel would you treat me as an equal

Chris Sallis, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it is mightier than swords, i could kill you sure but i could only make you cry with these words.

keith, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

always liked "we're four boys with our courdoroys, we're not terrific but we're competent" i'd love to listen to some belle and sebastian,but the only thing i ever had was a taped copy of the boy with the arab strap,and i've no idea where its gone...

robin, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Phil you left out a key part of that line! Following the plotting of that death with a "la la la (yeah yeah yeah yeah)."

scott p., Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At least that's how I *think* it goes ;-)

While Dan and I would look lovely together, this would still not achieve our dream of Stu destruction.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'a few were idiots, they were a really good laugh'

'nice day for a jam/ The Fall, Manfred Mann/ 's Earth Band'

They're not as good written down, are they? You end up thinking why did I like that? Best taken as a whole, I'd say. I'm not all that keen on the 'Walk on the Wild Side' with dinner ladies instead of junkie whores scenarios. 'Flagging down an aeroplane' was the last straw for me. But as Simon Bates would say, it's so easy to criticise, not quite so easy to find something positive to say. Theyr'e all great songs, but they don't hold up well to dissection. I don't suppose anything does. I don't mean to sound so negative.

PM, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

we're four boys with our corduroys, we're not terrific but we're competent

And with that line, they defined an entire generation of bands.

The only song that I really like the lyrics to is the song right after that one on that EP, the song "I know where the summer goes". Plus it sounds like Nico.

geeta, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the good lines dont make up for the bad music - the bad lines are v.bad

a-33, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pop groups lose my interest when they write songs about how terrible the music business is. The Clash & pistols (complete control, EMI) get away with it as the songs have so much force & it hadn't really been done before (also Byrds "so you wanna be a rock n roll star"). Morrissey's dreariest songs are about the biz, but a least these come later in his career: B & S are doing it on their 2nd album. me & the major & seymour stein are terrible

bham, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have to second the whole of String Bean Jean, there's something about that song that really gets me, kind of like describing the golden days you've had with a certain set of friends that will probably never happen again, it's really joyous but there's something sad about it too.

chris, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i went off them quite a while before they did fold your hands... so i don't know what that song about rape, chalet lines? is about. how does that stand up lyrically?

Wyndham Earl, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How's it go? "If you think you can/well come on man/I was a green beret/down in viet-nam" That's good.

Oh shit, that was by someone else.. Sorry.

Dr. C, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Prompted by ILE:

"Big pockets for the pharmaceuticals it takes to fix her bwane."

Graham, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1. 'B&S moaning about the biz' - this is a tired French duck.

2. Miller - you're hilarious as ever.

3. 'String Bean Jean': way overrated. I have panned that song so many times, jeez. It's totally slack.

4. 'Castlehill / Knife and a bike chain' etc etc - I like this too, I think - but why? (It wouldn't work without 'Castlehill', would it?)

5. 'Modern Rock Song' is a load of old rubbish.

the pinefox, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but pinefox what about my favorites??

ethan, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two months pass...
We have half a new album to discuss. I haven't really listened to the lyrics yet, but on the whole I prefer the instrumentals.

PJ Miller, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

he has... a solo album out soon

genei-jin & tonic (cozwn), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 11:21 (seventeen years ago)

yep.

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 11:45 (seventeen years ago)

It's fantastic!

Stevie T, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 11:56 (seventeen years ago)

But... not really a solo album.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 11:57 (seventeen years ago)

keythkeythkeyth, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 11:58 (seventeen years ago)

I always liked "i want a dance, i want a drink of whisky, so i forget the major and go up the town".

Excited about a solo album.

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 12:44 (seventeen years ago)

What are the odds that the girl he'd find after such a long search would also be pretty?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 12:53 (seventeen years ago)

I haven't really listened to B+S since he started letting other people write songs.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

given that video and all the people involved, it would appear that this is an elaborate scheme to replace sarah with 3 foxy brunettes.

koogs, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:16 (seventeen years ago)

And Neil Hannon.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:24 (seventeen years ago)

the song on the website is nice. this seems like something i will probably love.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:26 (seventeen years ago)

xpost - not every singer is susan boyle. pretty girls can sing too. and make graves. and possibly have other uses, i'm not sure.

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:30 (seventeen years ago)

I am a huge B&S fan (though I miss their days of deeply affected media shyness), but this thing seems like a bummer to me after watching that video. I can't put my finger on it, but he comes off as kind of creepy.

I also cringed at the "Celion Dion fans save your breath" (sic) in the newspaper ad they show, for some reason (and not ONLY because I recently read the Carl Wilson book).

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 13:32 (seventeen years ago)

he comes off less creepy in the video than i'd expect from his lyrics, tbh. (less scrawny, too.) and i think the celine dion line was just to ward off idol-type oversingers. what he should have said was, "influences include belle & sebastian."

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 April 2009 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

well, the "Phone Neil on (B&S's phone number)" was probably a bit of a giveaway...

koogs, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 15:02 (seventeen years ago)

he writes the songs and belle and sebastian play them, how is it not a belle and sebastian album then? the songs on the video sound pretty belle and sebastian-y.

keythkeythkeyth, Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:38 (seventeen years ago)

because it's some kind of concept album or something. a girl-group opera.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:43 (seventeen years ago)

to anyone who thinks it is good, why is it good?

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 April 2009 07:31 (seventeen years ago)

and how come some people have heard it?

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 April 2009 07:31 (seventeen years ago)

Stuart Murdoch working with Neil Hannon. Jarvis Cocker is tapped to work on Wes Anderson's new movie. Is there a social networking site for fey, hyper-bookish people that they're all on?

Cunga, Thursday, 23 April 2009 07:47 (seventeen years ago)

Hannon and Cocker suck

Anderson's best seems behind him

Murdoch has been one of the greats

I don't know what I am trying to say, just, I suppose, that I don't want to put them all in the same dressing-up box

Are Cocker's fans really fey and hyper-bookish anyway? I really don't think so; he had amass audience in UK post-1995, and if it's now down to a rump then that would be older 1990s nostalgists maybe

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 April 2009 07:53 (seventeen years ago)

> and how come some people have heard it?

journalists get sent preview copies so they can write about it in their magazines before the official release. they have been doing this for hundreds of years, it shouldn't be a surprise.

koogs, Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:38 (seventeen years ago)

You'll be telling me they get paid to do this, next!

Mark G, Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:01 (seventeen years ago)

they do! some of them even get flights to america to talk to people in bands. 8)

koogs, Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:18 (seventeen years ago)

bastards!

and here's me paying to go there! And buying CDs on occasion.

Any vacancies?

Mark G, Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:22 (seventeen years ago)

The songs seem a lot stronger than recent B&S: less like pastiches of 70s pop or whatever as on the recent records. And there's a return of the kind of fictional richness - the characters and ambience - that distinguished the first two albums.

Maybe it's writing for different voices, but there's a Zombies-ish almost jazziness to some of the chord changes. And the singers are really great - especially Catherine Ireton. I think one of the girls from Smoosh is on there too.

And Hannon sings on the much fabled "Perfection As A Hipster"!

Stevie T, Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:29 (seventeen years ago)

As befits a 40 year old songwriter of his skill and predilections, he's entered his Goat 'n' Gal phase. Like Gainesbourg, Cohen and Hazelewood before him. It's odd that Nick Cave didn't stay settle into that, other than the duets with Kylie and PJ. Perhaps it's cause they were slightly older than half-his-age-plus-seven at the time.

bendy, Thursday, 23 April 2009 12:08 (seventeen years ago)

it has leaked, it's terrific. lovely baroque pop. the jazz bits only put me off slightly.

keythkeythkeyth, Saturday, 25 April 2009 01:57 (seventeen years ago)

it sounds a bit like a ladybug transistor record.

keythkeythkeyth, Saturday, 25 April 2009 22:26 (seventeen years ago)

Oh pinefox why are you so mean about Neil Hannon whose hits:misses ratio feels if anything stronger than Mr Murdoch's to me?

Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 April 2009 22:29 (seventeen years ago)

Let me rethink that tho, on suddenly remembering that Murdoch's ratio /= B&S's ratio.

Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 April 2009 22:30 (seventeen years ago)

God Help the Girl

Zeno, Saturday, 25 April 2009 22:58 (seventeen years ago)

Also I can live with his rampant Wee Free Kirk shite within the context of B&S but this album sounds like a morning in with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 April 2009 23:22 (seventeen years ago)


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