What's the best way to introduce a person to MBV?

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Here is the deal: my boyfriend doesn't like MBV. I tried playing "Loveless" to him a couple of times, both times he asked me to stop it after about first 30 seconds. His musical preferences: legacy of 70s rock and disco, some jazz, classical (Bach and Hendel mostly). Under my influence he started listening to electronic (pretty much anything except d'n'b, surprisingly likes micro-house, loved Luciano's "SciFiHiFi").

If I could only do it gradually - but what to pick? Ulrich Schnauss & Nathan Fake seem to be a good starting point (he didn't care much for Schnauss but didn't hate it either), and I think he liked Fake's live set from Essential Mix (or at least seemed to be genuinly curious about it). Now, what should I pick next?

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Don't. Leave him alone.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

new boyfriend

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

hang onto that man with every ounce of your energy

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like you already introduced him to it, and he wasn't pleased to make its aquaintance. Make him watch Lost in Translation a few times. If nothing else, appeal to his ego by telling him how 'important' the record is.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

"Make him watch Lost in Translation a few times"

lol make him hate MBV MORE why don't you

(oh how i despise that film).

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Take him to visit Ned.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Funnily enough he didn't like Lost in Translation.

It's just that I think he completely shuts off as soon as he hears the guitars...

Oh well, maybe I'll tell him he can't play Supertramp either...

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

put "sometimes" on repeat and have sex.

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

That's how i gained an appreciation for Experimental Jet Set, etc..

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

And me for George Michael.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

slap headphones on him with Loveless at eleven, then suck his cock off.

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

"slap headphones on him with Loveless at eleven, then suck his cock off"

- that would only distract him from music.

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

That's how i gained an appreciation for Experimental Jet Set

"Down to the bottom, and oh what a bottom it is."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

try the "pavlov" approach: play MBV every time right before you're about to blow him. eventually his dick will salivate at the sound of MBV's music.

― latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Take him to visit Ned.

Er.

Sounds like a classic case of negotiation to me. Either he'll pick up on it through familiarity or he'll learn to live with it in the same way you learn to live with things he likes you don't. (But if he's not letting you hear it at all while not letting you exercise a similar veto, that's kinda fucked.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

oftentimes one has to hear music completely out of the hype-filled context to gain appreciation for it.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

May I recommend the use of illegal drugs. Doesn't really matter which ones, they all work with this album so I hear. Needless to say Loveless has to be very loud, I heard Soon in a club in 1993 and I can still remember the moment vividly.

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Lulu OTM.

The first song I heard by MBV was "Honey Power" on the local college radio station while I was driving around in a car on brain-altering substances.

It changed my life!

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Loveless was the right sound for the right time, and that time has passed, and people who weren't paying attention will just never "get" it.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

eventually his dick will salivate at the sound of MBV's music.

lol

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Get him high, really really high until he doesn't notice that MBV is boring and blow him. Seriously, he'll never be as cool as you want him to be unless you start sucking his cock now, preferably while he's too stoned to focus. Only then will Loveless be a decent soundtrack. Otherwise it'll just be the most indie overhyped album of the '80s.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

i'll never understand why people want to do this. he clearly doesn't like them, if he changes his mind (unlikely) it will happen in his own time. leave him be.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

Looks like all the ILM misogynists with sexual issues found the thread!

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

What? I've learned to love many things while getting my cock sucked. If she wants to manipulate him into liking an "important" but boring band, he could do worse than be blown in duration. It would at least teach him to put the album on of his own volition.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah i was about to say, you guys are acting like total assholes to someone who is asking for honest advice.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

i haven't bothered to read this thread yet, but as the original poster is female, it seems to me that there's at least one joke about oral sex to be made. i just wish i could figure out what it is.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:44 (twenty years ago)

ok, for serious answer -- if he stopped it after 30 seconds, then maybe the initial part was just way too disorienting for him. why not just start with a different track that's not quite as initially wooze-inducing, like say "soon" or something?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:47 (twenty years ago)

If you're starting w/"Only Shallow", maybe play a different song from the album?

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

I'd say "Sometimes" myself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Only then will Loveless be a decent soundtrack. Otherwise it'll just be the most indie overhyped album of the '80s.

also, loveless came out in 1991. if you're going to slag off her taste in music, at least get yr facts right.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I heard "Sometimes" on the radio and my ears perked up pretty quickly. I'm glad I waited in the car to see who it was.

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

i would never recommend loveless as a good starting point

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

(as the *best* starting point i mean)

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

try you made me realise instead

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

I'd say put on Loveless, start with "To Here Knows When", and let the fucker play out.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

i would suggest 'isn't anything'! for years i liked that album more!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing worse than trying to turn your partner on to something near and dear to your heart only to get the big thumbs down. To hear them reply "Do you actually like this?" can be soul shattering. I try not to let my taste in music interfere with any relationship but it's hard sometimes. Thank god for headphones.

― Jeff K (jeff k), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

set the time machine to land in a 1992 college dorm room lit by one of those spinny colored lights you get at spencer's, and a girl who works at the library.

― natecavalieri (phonetagged), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

and if he likes dance music he might like the weatherall remix of 'soon'

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:04 (twenty years ago)

of all the music i've tried to get my partners into, MBV has never been included. i don't actually know why that is

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:05 (twenty years ago)

Geeta OTM, I think Isn't Anything is more accessible than Loveless. I also got into it first and only later appreciated its successor. But this guy doesn't sound like he's interested enough in music to want to explore little known relatively experimental music. You could try different bands with more fame and wider appeal that are in the same vein, and then go deeper (!) from there. Smashing Pumpkins comes to mind...

But with this type of thing it probably has more to do with you being annoying in pushing it than anything else. I know because I do it all the time. The answer is to be chiller about it.

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Use marijuana.

― Mr. Silverback (Mr. Silverback), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

umm, if dude don't like guitars, and isn't blown away by "loveless" right away despite his girl being totally into it, then i suggest either resorting to witchfraft or just leaving well enough alone.

i have been the most truly open minded myself when i was in love with/ seriously dating someone -- 'cause you want to impress them and to be into what they're into -- so my fist girl got me into "ethnic" music, another girl into mexican stuff, my ex-wife into country, and my current girl already has pretty amazing taste, and has turned me on to lots of old crooners/ idols like guy lombardo and lou christie, though she's not gotten me to love everything momus has ever done. not yet anyway.

― Mike McG, Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:12 (twenty years ago)

so wait, you guys are telling me that MBV isn't gonna get me laid?

― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, with yourself, possibly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

ok, first of all, thank you everybody, and second, i'm not a girl :) Now to all the kind suggestions...

Re: blowjobs as a way of turning your loved ones into pavlov's dogs:

It might work, but then i would like to be able to play it without a certain image appearing in my head everytime :)

Re: veto rule and sharing music

Yes, we both have an equal right to veto but i usually try not to use it unless i absolutely have to because i usually get to choose music more often than my bf does. And it's not about making him merely tolerate it but trying to make him hear what i hear. And then knowing that the other person hears it too makes it so much more enjoyable. And it works both ways - i started listening to much more classical music and not just around xmas.

Re: drugs

After work we are altered pretty much all the time, and it does help.

Re: trying a different song

I tried different songs (all from Loveless thou) to no success - but yeah, it seems like a good idea to try again, and yes, "Sometimes" is my pick.

Geeta:
It might be strange, but it took "Loveless" for me before i was able to appreciate "Isn't Anything"'s delicate beauty. And Weatherall remix kinda sucks life out of the song for me.

And Dr Lulu and others - OTM, MBV should be really played loud. Maybe that's one of the reasons i'm trying to pursue this.

I know i can be pushy with music sometimes but with MBV i didn't want to spoil it so i gave up rather quickly and haven't came back to them since. It's been a while, so i'll give it another try with all (ok, some) of the suggestions.

And still, the question remains - what would you put between Schnauss / Fake and MBV?
M83, but what else?

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

This thread is silly. Why is there a need to "gradually" introduce him to MBV by coercing him via Ulrich Schnauss or whoever? Your bf obviously likes many types of music and is open minded about hearing new things. He can judge something new (to him) on its own merits. If he likes MBV, great, if he doesn't, that's fine too.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

man i love canadians, sometimes. barry otm!

― the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

oops, sorry scnnr -- i realized right after i posted my 1st post that i was probably jumping to conclusions.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:23 (twenty years ago)

after rereading the thread and smoking one i realize now that is indeed a silly idea (but i still might wanna try it to just to see if it works).

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

Is this thread trying to suggest that MBV is great oral-sex-theme-music?

Seems....odd, but maybe that's because I've never really thought about it that way.

Does this possibly apply to shoegazer music in general?

Sorry, but the responses on this thread are pretty strange and now I'm kind of wondering about this. I suppose it's possible. Gregg Araki films are full of campy sex, and all his soundtracks are pretty much 100% shoegazer.....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 13 April 2006 04:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but I like Ride better.

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

second, i'm not a girl :)

Hehehe. Scnnr, I love you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

don't force these things, it'll cost you!

― rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Why not try getting him into Ride first? If he's into the "legacy of '70s rock" then Ride ought to knock his socks on his ass. You can start out with "Nowhere," then "Leave Them All Behind," then those early demos where they sound just like MBV, then "Feed Me With Your Kiss," and there you have it!

Of course, that plan could backfire horribly, leading to his eventual dismissal of Ride as "too much like that My Bloody Valentine shit."

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

bah x-post

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Thake them out driving at night, in the dark, and play 'You made me realise' on repeat, while driving just slightly faster than is recommended.

That should do it

― ant, Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

one of us...one of us...

why convert him?...there's enough MBV freaks out there as it is...besides, it's good for couples to have something to debate...

― hank (hank s), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Musical precursor suggestions: J&MC, Primal Scream as produced by Shields. Maybe some 4AD stuff. Maybe even some noise.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I recommend the oral approach...
Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought and died so our generation could listen to something better. "

And yeah, try Isn't Anything or You Made Me Realise EP - if it doesn't happen naturally forcing him will surely make him hate 'em (and maybe you too).

PS James Joyce's wife never read one of his books.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Who could blame her?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

I think i'll get some Ride and Cocteau Twins (and yes, i still think it's a silly idea)

― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Er, that link should be:
You Made Me Realise

I am a putting spaz today.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Haha Ned, apparently not him, they died happily married AFAIK...

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Third vote for Isn't Anything
Third vote for Ride
Try some early Curve - noisey, but more melodic.

...before you go stampeding for the clitoris, how about a little kiss.

― christoff (christoff), Thursday, 13 April 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Haha Ned, apparently not him, they died happily married AFAIK...

In which case, how good for them both!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 April 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

She was too busy with his letters about farting.

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

js beat me to the punch, she was probably too busy with his "love letters."

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Farting = hott

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

What's the best way to introduce a person to MBV? (69 new answers)

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Just play them "What You Want", really loud. Worked for me.
Damn, what a song!

― Z S, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

Hahah I love how there was so many "have sex"/"suck him off" answers to this question. YEAH MBV =D

― Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

ha i wish that's how i was introduced to MBV!

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

Making out to MBV is AWESOME.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

It was in 1991 when you were 17. Now? Maybe it looks and feels a bit different.

― paulhw, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

I beg to differ.

― Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

(having recently retested this theory)

― Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

Start with Jesus and Mary Chain. If that's even too weird for him you might have to break it way down.

First get him really high. Then start playing some 60s rock and girl group stuff. Tommy James, Strawberry Alarm Clocks anything Phil Spector. THEN throw on the Jesus and Mary Chain. More weed, more booze, more pills. This shouldn't be too big of a jump yet, add in some Spacemen 3. Now throw on early MBV. Isn't Anything where there's the feedbacky parts but you can still hear acoustic guitars strumming. And then throw on Loveless.

If this doesn't work, I don't know what to do.

― filthy dylan, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 05:45 (eighteen years ago)

I wd get sick of it by then

― Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

i suppose it's a question of needing your music preferences validated vs having mutually fulfilling relationship. so hard.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

I think by the spaceman 3 point i'd fall asleep.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 02:49 (eighteen years ago)

It was implied that one of the pills was adderall.

― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 02:50 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know...if my girlfriend got me high, and then led me through a series of bands, building momentum chronologically and thematically, gave me more booze and pills, all with the end goal of introducing me to a new (to me), incredible band, I'd be pretty ecstatic, no matter what the band. It's the thought that counts.

― Z S, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)

your girlfriend is dj martian?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

amen.

― dell, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, double-amen. yeah.

― dell, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

fuck yeah!

― stephen, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

enrique with a forgotten gem

― Just got offed, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

it puts the romantic ideal of "high fidelity" to shame.

― dell, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

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