The official Tom Verlaine two new releases on Thrill Jockey thread

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There's "Around", the instrumental album, and there's "Songs And Other Things" which is his first vocal solo album in 16 years.

After two listens, I'm really enjoying "Songs". Taps into more of that minimalism that he's been toying with since the s/t Television album and "Warm And Cool". Very sparse production, and Ficca is playing like a dream.

"Around" is pleasant; I need to spend way more time with it.

I'm pretty happy to have him back! What sez ILM?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea these were coming out, but I'm way more excited about the vocal album. Warm and Cool was nice, but I didn't find it essential. (Caveat: I haven't listened to it in twelve or so years.) Glad to see Billy Ficca's in the mix, too.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Fred Smith also contributes. Just think, if Richard Lloyd played on it, we'd have a new Television record.

The samples I've heard sound very promising and Tom's also on the cover of the new Wire. Nice little mini-comeback for Mr. Verlaine in 2006.

Jeff K (jeff k), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Just think, if Richard Lloyd played on it, we'd have a new Television record.

Knowing history, if Richard Lloyd played on it, he'd have titled it Blood on the Strings.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:13 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Just saw reviews on stylus.com and I thought they gave the two albums a rough ride. Started from a couple of poor premises in the first place:
"...the fact remains that nearly all the attention Around and Songs and Other Things will get is down to those 45 minutes Verlaine helped create in 1977." Stretching it a tad no? It has been nearly 30 years and this is a solo record, I think people might just factor that in? Also there is, you know, a few solo records that have been released in the interim that might be good reference points for where these records are coming from, never mind working with Patti Smith recently etc etc.

"guitar fanatics won't find anything approaching the divine fireworks of “Little Johnny Jewel” or “Marquee Moon,” or even “Elevation”"
Anyone who doesn't figure out that there were two guitarists on those songs and expects Tom Verlaine to be firing off solos like an over-sexed Prince won't be buying this album, and I should add, shouldn't be reviewing these albums..... In any case I wasn't disappointed by the guitar, he's toying around with a lot of stuff, some sticks and some doesn't, which is probably more interesting to a guitar "fanatic" than coping a thirty year old album in a bid to impress a stylus reviewer.

"So from the hands and heart of an unknown Songs and Other Things and Around would register as disappointments or maybe showing the slightest of potential, but from someone of Verlaine's stature and access ... they're a lot worse.

Is it possible to be disappointmented by something that you know nothing about and are approaching as an unknown, how can he posit something like that? And even so these records are a lot worse because of his "stature" and "access"? They are what they are surely, stand or fall on their own merits? Also I doubt Verlaine lies around smoking opium all day and gets it into his head on a whim to release two records. I don't think he has Thrill Jockey at his beck and call, in fact I don't seem to have noticed much promotional work done for these discs at all.

Plenty of artists with real "stature" and "access" put out dud releases and don't get called on it enough, I don't think Verlaine is particularly one of them. I just can't figure this review out, never once mentions previous solo output, not once. And the fact that these albums came out in April and in late June stylus runs such inconsquential review? Boo urns to stylus reviews, won't be taking their word on albums.

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

In any case I wasn't disappointed by the guitar, he's toying around with a lot of stuff, some sticks and some doesn't, which is probably more interesting to a guitar "fanatic" than coping a thirty year old album in a bid to impress a stylus reviewer.

Guitar fanatics can be critics too.

Is it possible to be disappointmented by something that you know nothing about and are approaching as an unknown, how can he posit something like that? And even so these records are a lot worse because of his "stature" and "access"?

For an artist of Verlaine's status to release two albums loaded with trifles is esepcially disappointing; perhaps someone unfamiliar with Verlaine may enjoy him. What's so opaque about that?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

The worst thing about Ian's review is that it is clear that he's never heard any of Verlaine's other solo stuff, much of which sounds very much like Songs and Other Things. It is Ian who is "unfamiliar with Verlaine," not whoever Major Alfonso is. The major theme of the review, which is one reviewer's palpable (and quite rockist) disappointment about this not being Marquee Moon Part 2, would disappear entirely.

The second-worst thing is that he is wrong.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I know guitar fanatics can be critics too, but I suppose I'm assuming that if you're interested in guitar playing then a change of direction is perhaps more involving and fertile even when it doesn't compare ultimately with previous work. I just think a guitar "fanatic" would be more open to these albums than he gives credit for. I don't get the impression that he thinks Verlaine's playing is capable of generating genuine interest at all because he's referring to thirty year old work with no reference to any points in between. If you were a guitar fanatic and you found Verlaine's pregression post Television good or bad this review doesn't inform you at all in any way. If you were interested in say Bill Frisell or other players I think his stuff could be genuinely interesting.

The second thing is more general. Sure he's coming to it off the back of Marquee Moon and so on but he suggests that even if you weren't aware of Television these records would be disappointing. But how can he suggest someone might be disappointed if they are incapable of having expectations?

There's no really genuine explication of the music or the artist, just a dismissal on the basis of one previous release. I genuinely think it's a poor review, whatever one might think of the records. If Verlaine hasn't developed in any interesting way at all then say that. The review gives nothing except in the second to last paragraph and even then it appears that these albums are only for initiates who aren't really capable of criticism.

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

**guitar fanatics won't find anything approaching the divine fireworks of “Little Johnny Jewel” or “Marquee Moon,” or even “Elevation”"**

The guitar on Songs & Other Things is absolutely fantastic - less pyrotechnics than the above, but hang on, weren't they 30 years ago? TV has been pretty much in this mellow mode for a quarter of a century - but forgodsake, still no-one plays like him. His clean Jazzmaster sound on The Earth Is In The Sky is unbelievable.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

the real question is: why in god's name is someone reading something in stylus???

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

My naivety shines through, apologies all round

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

blount otm

gear (gear), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

**Very sparse production, and Ficca is playing like a dream.**

'erm if you're referring to 'Songs...', Ficca's not on it!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 22 June 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

reviews like this let Kevin Shields know he made the right decision

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff Mangum too

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 22 June 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)


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