TS: Kate Bush v. Peter Gabriel

er... "Don't Give Up"?

Having seen Godzilla in action against a wide array of opponents, I have to give him the initial edge. Just watching him versus Mothra, Rodan, and King Geedorah, you have to appreciate Godzilla's superior durability and tactical prowess. I mean, I've never seen anyone think of so many clever uses for high tension wires. On the other hand, Mechagodzilla technically is a mechanized version of Godzilla, and should therefore be superior in all aspects of design and execution to plain ol' Godzilla. But, I'm going with my gut here: Godzilla by a hair.

But Kate Bush is great too.

"The only winning move is not to play."

(This is not Bimble's answer.)

Indeed. "Against All Odds (Take a Look At Me Now)" does trump "In Your Eyes."

Let's see. Gabriel has the advantage of his Genesis work and Passion, for fuck's sake.

On the other hand, he's been shit (with one or two exceptions) for about fifteen years now. While nice Katie Bush has just got Aerial under her belt...but that only equals out her early missteps then.

I'll give this one to Pete, with Passion just getting him over the line.

There are two exceptions. "Us" and "Up". Both excellent. And they are basically the only ordinary studio albums he has released during the past 15 years so....

Indeed it does. But it's the best song Phil Collins has ever written, and it doesn't stand a chance against "Supper's Ready". :)

"Us" had Steam and...erm, that's about it. "Up" wasn't too good. And he's done the ol' movie soundtracks and whatnot.

With a few exceptions, I can pretty much listen to any Kate Bush CD from beginning to end. And with Arial, Kate really solidified her place in music history. I ccasionally see/hear references to Kate. Not so many for Peter.

My vote is for Kate.

I dunno, PG's Tahoma is pretty strong too.

Good music is always relevant. There is no such thing as relevance in music.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wpehS76ASiY

You've obviously never listened to "In the Air Tonight" naked, alone, in the dark and on several mg of Valium.

"Supper's Ready" < "Solsbury Hill," if only because SH is about Springstreen.

Is Syd Barrett too "out there"?

I don't know about the rest of yous, but I like creativity in
my music, I like the possibility of being different to the rest,
I like pioneers and exploration.

Nothing wrong with Peter Gabriel at all, but we all know who's side I'm on in the end.

Obviously. And I love her anyway. Just that Peter Gabriel manages to be slightly "out there" and still always writing great pop songs at the same time.

We must not choose between them. Because even if you don't eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I still think it would be a sad, sad, sad world if the laws of magnetic physics were changed to the point that you could literally not make anothing other than peanut butter sandwiches OR jelly sandwiches. Let us not have a Peter Bush without a Gabriel Kate. And I do actually have ancient television footage on VHS of them performing "Another Day" together. I just have to pull it out of my dusty box of VHS cassettes.

Darren Hayman's contribution to this conversation, The French's "Gabriel in the Airport":

Peter Gabriel, please come to Gate 9:
Sting has saved the rainforest, and things are fine.
Call your limousine and go back home,
Your children need an angel on the telephone.
You're always checking in and checking out.
The real world's inside your heart,
Just let it out.
We've had enough world music
(for a little while)

And all the business suits walk by.
They say "Plasticene video guy!"
And the world's not right, but it's right enough
For you to do some loving stuff,
To your darling wife, by the fireside.
And the British Airways girls they sigh,
Saying, "There goes that Phil Collins guy!"
And if you stay at home tonight,
The world won't go right overnight --
There'll be songs left to write tomorrow.

And don't you just love the sight,
Of the little cars with the orange lights,
The moving walkways and the baggage reclaim?
Don't you wish that you could stay?
Don't you wish that you could say
That you never thought of Kate Bush in a dirty way?

And all the business suits walk by...
And the British Airways girls they sigh...
There'll be songs left to write tomorrow.

Those lyrics you quote are fantastic.

Here's something I wrote on the thread for the latest Kate Bush album "Aerial" earlier this year:

I was staring at the Mojo magazine earlier this week and this quote from Peter Gabriel seemed to stick in my mind:

"My favourite Kate Bush song? That's a tough one. For now, I'll say The Man With The Child In His Eyes: beautiful melody, and lyrically it paints pictures. She's always been away in her own world, which is 90 percent her strength, and 10 percent her weakness. She doesn't expose herself to the outside world as much as I think would benefit her, but it gives her music this rich internal feel that people plug into."

-- Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (bimble87...), January 29th, 2006.

if only the same could be said for the tune

i'm listening So. I don't think i've ever actually listened to this record of my own accord.

Don't Give Up is real pretty.

But anyway the reason I'm posting is because i have this really vivid memory of seeing a Miami Vice episode that used Don't Give Up.

Crocket is wandering on the beach...it's the pretty extreme mullet era Crockett, I think he's gotten "in too deep" to his cover and the cops are now looking for him, he must've done something bad....he's haunted there's no where to turn, just wandering around empty pretty miami.

so he finally walks into the room where all the cops desks are and it's a close up and they are playing Don't Give Up and suddenly they do a big pullout with the camera from Crockett, really slow, and you see that every cop in the room has their gun pointed at Crockett w/"Don't give up, you still have friends" in the background

very dramatic! i love miami vice

jesus christ that 1979 kate & peter xmas duet