new eds. say voice music section "too academic"?

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that's the wurd i hurd - whatever's going on over there you're in our thoughts, xhuxk

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

So can I assume they're gonna take a big ol meat clever the ACKTUALLY AKADEMIC stuff like arts, movies, dance coverage etc. RITE? RITE?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

as a longtime reader of (since 1977) and former writer for the Voice music section I've had my ups and downs ins and outs w/the paper but this makes it official. The Village Voice is DEAD.

call it New Times NY or whatever, without Christgau to be infuriated and inspired by it's just another handiwipe for yuppie dogshit.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 23:57 (twenty years ago)

it IS sort of "academic," in that it often imitates the ponderous coyness of contemporary humanities-dep't professors. (well, i guess some of the writers ARE contemporary humanities-dep't professors.) if what the new eds mean by "academic" is "serious," though, we're in trouble.

― amateurist0, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

http://au.i1.yimg.com/movies.aunz.yimg.com/2005/photos/main/11497.jpg

That Pitchfork Media is so hot right now. Pitchfork Media.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

this is a nightmare. speechless. bye bye voice.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:04 (twenty years ago)

I don't think any of the writers have had the room to be ponderous (save for Xgau) for years now.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:06 (twenty years ago)

How long 'til the porn blogger gets axed?

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

I keep on typing and then erasing what I type because I don't know what to say. I moved away from New York in 1994 and I marvel at how much the city has changed since I left whenever I visit. Now, here's something else.

I'll look at it in a positive light: Both gentlemen will have little problem continuing making a living at what they do, they will just have to do it elsewhere. And if I ever do make it back to New York (God willing) the Voice classifieds will still be useful at least. Probably.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

Can Christgau take the Consumer Guide and the P&J wherever he goes, or are they proprietary to the Voice?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I love music, and music writing. Yet (apart from the listings) the music section of the Voice is the most tedious in existence. A whole lot of middle-aged writers who read a paragraphof a pomo primer 15 years ago and haven't updated since. Seriously, Pitchfork is gold compared to their roster.

― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I love music, and music writing.

Seriously, Pitchfork is gold compared to their roster.

-- paulhw (pppso...), April 18th, 2006.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

A clever comeback. Congrats.

― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)

not clever, but efficient.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:38 (twenty years ago)

look, if you have even an ounce of sensitivity, you might notice that people are actually upset about this. a regular poster lost his job, a place that a lot of ILM posters used to write for (and more of us used to look up to) is going down the shitter, and right now, nobody wants to hear about how your opinionated ass likes Pitchfork better than Status Aint Hood or whatever. take it somewhere else, or better yet, shut the fuck up.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:38 (twenty years ago)

>a place that a lot of ILM posters used to write for

Shit, I had a piece in there last week.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"if what the new eds mean by 'academic' is 'serious,' though, we're in trouble"

They do. We are.

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

here come the snark?

― question, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

If you think that's offensive, tune to the Best Show on WFMU right now. Scharpling is doing a call-in bit about the Voice firings...

― dancortez, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

considering how many people have written for both the voice and pitchfork, can we kill this noise right now?

xpost

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah. that too.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Was that xhuxk on there just now? I tuned in at the end of the phone call.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:54 (twenty years ago)

not everyone here writes for either publication. let us talk.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

that's not what i meant.

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:58 (twenty years ago)

The Voice music section has been the most important venue for musical ideas for many many years, and now it's in trouble, and that sucks, because no one else is going to ever be able (or be interested) in replicating that. But the fact that the editorial section is going to be all changed is even more troubling. The new direction sounds less like a maverick paper that was sometimes full of shit and mostly way the hell out in front of everyone else in the world and more like "HEY HEY WE"RE THE NEW YORKER TOO" and, y'know, damn, an era is over.

NB: I have written for the Voice music section, and Pitchfork wasn't interested in me.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:01 (twenty years ago)

J3ss this thread is happening in the morning anyway just let it go.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:02 (twenty years ago)

It was supposed to be Eddy, but it was a joke. It was one of the comedy guys -- Andrew Earles, I think -- calling in posing as Eddy and championing the merits of Cowboy Troy and hick-hop. It was funny.

― ronder, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:02 (twenty years ago)

xpost to strongo

sorry, i thought you were going to delete this thread too.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)

I'd say plenty of ppls are interested in being the go-to source. The Other Online Site is already well on its way to being that, if it isn't already.

The new direction sounds less like a maverick paper that was sometimes full of shit and mostly way the hell out in front of everyone else in the world and more like "HEY HEY WE"RE THE NEW YORKER TOO" and, y'know, damn, an era is over.

Not like that at all; more like we're the Lampoon or, alternately, we're The Rules: Weekly.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:05 (twenty years ago)

for chrissakes: i dont give a shit if people talk about the fucking voice or pitchfork. it is, however, completely fucking retarded to set one up against the other considering how many people have written for both.

if this is what passes for reading comprehension these days, maybe the whole NT strategy makes more sense.

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:05 (twenty years ago)

right now my number one pipe dream is that the voice would put out a DVD-ROM set of the music section a la the New Yorker. how far back do the online archives go?

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

"HEY HEY WE"RE THE NEW YORKER TOO"

at least the new yorker still has an interest in covering national politics and stuff outside the purview of just nyc.

― odtron5000, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

97 or so.

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

"Can Christgau take the Consumer Guide and the P&J wherever he goes, or are they proprietary to the Voice?"

Well, he wrote CG for Newsday for a few years in the 70s, so maybe he can take it with him. Personally, though, I'd rather he use this as an excuse to ditch that conceit and write longer for more outlets.

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Gosh, has anyone heard from Matos? If it's true Christgau is gone I fear he might off himself...

― eeeee, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

You are a fucking stupid prick.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:09 (twenty years ago)

anonymous internet trolls be rofflin

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

All Matos-dissing anon-o-trolls are actually k-dubs until proven otherwise.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Earles is back on WFMU

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)

this is very upsetting - over the past few years Chuck has (without even knowing it) inarguably been my single biggest influence as far as tastemaking is concerned (perhaps to an unhealthy degree).

I can hardly think of another serious critic and especially editor who has given more sincere thought and coverage to commercial pop and country music, genres that deeply affect and are loved by millions of people in this country and yet are pissed on by 90% of rock writers.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:12 (twenty years ago)

considering how many people have written for both the voice and pitchfork, can we kill this noise right now?
xpost

-- strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (wt...), April 19th, 2006.

What am i reading and not comprehending that would lead me to believe you're not going about to go on one of your killing sprees? SRSLY dude.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

I have an awful fear that this is the means by which they'll start to syndicate music pieces from other NT papers like they've begun to do with film reviews. It sickens me. A New York audience is not interchangeable with a Denver or a Miami audience.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

PS: This is what I sent to another set of friends on the matter:

This sucks. Chuck was the one who took a chance on me as an intern in August 2003, and who thereafter gave me some assignments, ran with some pitches, and above all taught me valuable lessons in music discussion and how to effectively speak in shorthand when constrained by word count. He was a fastidious editor, always turning in his copy well ahead of deadlines (a blessing to those of us copy editors) and paying close attention to all responses and comments. He made it a point to cover all genres of music -- find me another alt-weekly that regularly reviews country and jazz CDs as well as pop/rock/R&B/hip-hop -- and kept in rotation many if not most of the nation's premier music critics. And most importantly, he was genuinely passionate about the music itself and not the celebrity of its industry. When he'd hear something he liked, he wouldn't wonder if they had a picture in a magazine that week, he would wonder what its sonic references were.

His departure also says dangerous things about the state of New Times journalism, indeed, of alt-journalism itself. Chuck's being replaced by a guy at another New Times paper, which portends the hastened transition to using syndicated content. The Voice's film section already has begun to syndicate some of its reviews from other NT papers. This is an awful thing. It's not that the others are bad writers, but they're writing for smaller-market audiences who, by and large, are satisfied with reviews that consist of plot summaries with a single-sentence opinion at the end. New York audiences, especially the Voice audience, expect something rather different, something more intellectually challenging and engaging. That the same seems poised to befall the Voice music section is an embarrassment.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

A New York audience is not interchangeable with a Denver or a Miami audience.

we shouldn't have to read what the provincials get.

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:15 (twenty years ago)

fwiw, I don't think anyone I know has read the voice for the past year or so (something to be proud of?), so if this is the bullet to the head, then let it be. It's incomprehensible to me that these two (two of the GOAT, I think we all agree) won't land on their feet -- that's not the issue. It's that this is another push toward the end of the Capital-N-ewspaper.

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Who is his replacement? I haven't seen a name yet.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

i'm guessing someone from the NT home office

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:18 (twenty years ago)

A New York audience is not interchangeable with a Denver or a Miami audience.

we shouldn't have to read what the provincials get.

Not meant in the elitist better-than-thou sense, but in the "Quad-A football team versus AA football team" size sense.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

you'll all eat at hardees and like it

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

...and in the elitist sense

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

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No, it needs to be on CoM.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

it can be Complementary !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Very good.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

so what did make your list this year, granddad? did annie of norway even release anything this year?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Back to the buildings, Jim.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Urgent & Key, Marcello have you experienced Agalloch yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMaIzFq1Iw

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder what marcello would make of harvey milk? god, i love that album.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Agalloch: Quite good, obvious late-period Swans influence there, didn't bowl me over but I'm glad someone's still doing this sort of thing.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

Two new Harvey Milk albums listed on the Rough Trade site; which one do you mean?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

*Special Wishes* That's the new album. On Megablade Records. Which is an offshoot of Troubleman Unlimited.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

This is the part of the thread where we list past "Pazz & Jop" winners we've actually listened to in the past year:

"Stankonia"
"Graceland"
"London Calling"

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Late Registration and To Bring You My Love only.

Unless Modern Times (invevitable 2006 winner if things hadn't changed so) counts.

― J. Sot (dogbrute...), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Late Registration

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW:
http://eatthestate.org/11-03/SeattleWeeklyMe.htm

― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

We're doing our own staff poll, same as always. I considered doing something more all-inclusive for about two seconds but it felt presumptuous somehow. Natually, I hope someone does it, though!

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, DJ Martian... I don't mean no disrespect, but someone with 16609 del.icio.us bookmarks but only 136 tags is not the kind of person I'd rely on to organize anything.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

ohhh zing

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Daddino brought up the point of being guided by what Chuck and Xgau plan to do. That feels like the polite approach, though if they just want to be gracious, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else should be: Thanks to oconnor for posting the item about the Seattle Weekly news section, which helps illustrate what's happening and why it (maybe) matters - the end of the alternative newspaper model in the United States, as a genuine locally based oppositional and intellectual voice, as it's existed for the past several decades. Maybe that's not much of a loss, since the action's migrated to the 'net, but that's what NT's basically done by turning these papers into generic outlets for a homogenized 'hip' demographic.

And remember that by participating in P&J you're basically doing unpaid labour for them to produce a high-newsstand-recognition edition of their product. Which is why alternatives are worth considering, I think. (Also worth considering: a boycott with no alternative, in which critics just do their part in letting it die. Though people would miss it, I think.)

Nevertheless, it's a good first step to find out what the patron saints (and, one might say, moral-rights-holders) of P&J would like. And it shouldn't be too hard: Are you around, Chuck? Want to talk it over with Bob and let us know?

― carl w (carl w), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

i think any attempt to do some non-new times take is only gonna amplify recent problems w/ p&j in general (ie. it'll be even whiter, more male, more corny indie). something i would really like to see that might not only make this task easier but bypass (to an extent) the above pitfall - make it more like early p&j ie. something closer to 20 people vote (big nyc guys - which means no harvilla lol - and a few more prominent outside nyc guys)(20 crits vote only 7 of which are hip-hop critics better ratio than 1500 critics vote only 21 of which are hip-hop critics). theoretically larger sample size yields better results but p&j for awhile now has been like doing a political poll and using a 95-5 split for yr results.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

either way, cut down on the bloggers with no day job who are padding the stats with radiohead side projects and soundtracks of old timey music

― gear (gear), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Though people would miss it, I think.

the only people who would miss it are the lost souls of ILM

― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

If I was one of the big NYC guys, I'm not sure I'd give an untested poll any of my time UNLESS (maybe) I knew the other big guys were taking part, too.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of people over, say, 25 just read the big lists, to see what they should catch up on, and don't follow music crit in general. I agree individual lists are more interesting, but some people think of polls as pointing more to "sure things."

Personally I think P&J is an exercise that has more historical value than anything else: It's useful to find out what the top 10 was a decade ago or in some other given year, as a zeitgeisty thing to balance out what the top 10 charted records were in the same year.

But it's not exactly the most important thing in my world either.

― carl w (carl w), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

unfortunately, the top ten is pretty bland via consensus. i'm not sure these results are an important historical document to preserve anymore, especially when any random top ten in any shitty free weekly (or maybe it's not so random anymore, 95% of them being owned by one giant entity!) is gonna look the same. i'd be more curious to see individual top ten lists from 100 carefully chosen critics from around the country (or ideally, the world).

― gear (gear), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

ahh let that shit die
and find out the new goal

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

OTM. Rip it up and start again.

― mark 0 (mark 0), Friday, 27 October 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Why not just rip it up?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW -

Boston Phoenix Editor Bill Jensen is leaving the alternative news weekly to take a job directing the web operations of the New Times chain of alternative papers, which publishes -- among others -- the Village Voice and the LA Weekly.

New Times is expected to make the announcement later today.

This guy is far and away the worst editor I've ever worked with. Now he's taking over some of the worst newspaper websites I've ever seen. And he's leaving Boston - bonus points for us.

― save the robot (save the robot), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

i feel bad sometimes that i never read boston papers, i just...can't...do it. i mean, they are just sitting there in the store every morning. i read the cape cod paper sometimes. i should embrace my new home area more.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

No shock that Schniederman is out now either ... that one seemed obvious from the time the merger was announced.

― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Unless Modern Times (invevitable 2006 winner if things hadn't changed so) counts.

Dylan: Pazz & Jop:: Miles: Downbeat?

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

soooooooo, why doesn't ILM just do a poll? i'm sure there are some people here who need some busy work. or does ILM do a poll already? i sorta avoid the poll threads.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

So do I; a bit too scoutmastery for my tastes.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

i'd run the poll but this time around i'd be the least diligent poll runner ever, unlike the '90s one. i'd discard shitty ballots, put fictional albums in the top twenty, and my number one would be a completely arbitrary choice, like whatever cd i was listening to that morning in the car. not from 2006? no matter.

― gear (gear), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

x-post re Jensen from memo posted at gawker

From: Jim Larkin and Mike Lacey

We are pleased to announce that our new director of Web and digital operations is Bill Jensen, the now-former editor of the Boston Phoenix and a friend of the company since he wrote the spectacular true-crime story "Hardcore and Bleeding" for Miami New Times in 2004.

"Village Voice Media has the best storytellers in journalism on the ground in seventeen cities," says Jensen. "The opportunity to enhance the stories they tell each week in new ways, with new media tools, while at the same time providing compelling hourly content, is my charge."

STORYTELLERS. Maybe they're bringing back Nick Sylvester. He could create a new Pazz & Jop poll.

― cornyrocker (DC Steve), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nick isn't one of the "storytellers" -- he's one of the "new media tools."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry if this has been clarified elsewhere, but is Christgau doing or planning to do the Consumer Guide at another venue? I miss it. I'm sick that way.

― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

^^^cosign

(Who's Next, Basement Tapes, Born in the USA, Sign O the Times, 3 Ft High, Car Wheels, Stankonia, Love and Theft, Late Registration)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

When Chuck got flushed, writers that he brought on board, like Frank and me, kept reviewing in the Voice. And so did Chuck, for that matter, til he got more into other freelancing, and now the new fulltime-and-then-some gig. And of course xgau and some others from before Chuck stayed too, as long as they could As Scott Seward pointed out, it's not like previous owners and managers hadn't fucked with writers and editors, and you get used to it, to some extent (as in other lines of work). So everybody should just do what they want, without asking permission. Or so it would seem.

― don (dow), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

having said that, wait, i didn't say that, don said that, i don't think this:

"new eds. say voice music section "too academic"?"

is much of a problem anymore.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's all academic now actually: It was one thing when I reprinted stuff from the Broward-Palm Beach paper occasionally in Phoenix. But to see that Weird Al reprint in the Voice, i.e. the one-time gold standard? Wow ... it's like bringing a Twinkie into a French pastry restaurant. Just really really strange.

― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

Skot, you said that about prev. owners (on this thread, right?), but I spoke for myself re the bit about getting used to workplace atrocities, and the rest of it. Should have made that clear, sorry. If Chuck or xgau said or indicated that they'd rather we didn't participate, I wouldn't. But I don't feel the need to ask. I might not participate anyway, it's always been tiresome, no matter who's in charge, and ditto other lists. (But now I gotta file this online Plug indie awards ballot, which somebody held a gun to my head for, of course.)

― don (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh no, don, i didn't mean anything by that. i just felt like i was finishing your/my thought when i read your post.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 October 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

And likewise when I read yours about prev. owners.

― don (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i gotta do that thing too don -- glad i still have a few more days for it.

anyway as far as p&j i'd be happy if there was just a huge write in campaign for sonic youth's "kill yr. idols" as single of the year (not that the new times mafia probably won't kill the "or had the biggest impact on you" criterion for ballots anyway, but whatever)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Good, but what are we gonna do about this PTW Indie Song Of The Year, Sterling? Sheesh! And gotta have MP3 and interview the songwriter, so there goes Moondog, unless I can borrow back my ouija board.

― don (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

Picking a dead guy would be a good way to get around the interview portion, I guess.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 28 October 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

"a friend of the company"

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 28 October 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yea that is interesting phrasing. Perhaps the company should be relabled 'Da New Times-Voice Family and Syndicate.'

― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Na, I like "friend of the company," sounds like a Mamet title. "providing hourly content, is my charge."

― Hardcore And Bleeding (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

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