British Popular Music and 20th Century British Popular Culture - an undergraduate module

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A friend of mine is planning a module at a local university for their popular cultural studies department in British pop music from 63-99, and he asked me for ideas, opinions and reading suggestions regarding his (very provisional) course outline. I figured the best place to throw this out for brainstorming was here.

So here's his module plan - make suggestions please!

From The Beatles to Brit Pop:
British Popular Music and 20th Century British Popular Culture

This course will critique the socio-cultural impact of British popular music between 1963 and 1999. Songs and LPs will be read as texts which can offer unique insights into British views of class, sex and sexuality, race and politics. We will consider the influence of American culture (Black American culture in particular) on British popular music, the impact of immigration on concepts of Britishness, changing concepts of youth, the impact of changing technologies on music production and consumption, popular music scenes and the importance of location. Every week students will be expected to listen to at least three important LPs, attend a screening and engage in preparatory reading.

PREPARATORY READING

T.W. Adorno (1941), ‘On Popular Music’ in S. Frith and A. Goodwin (eds) (1990) On Record: Rock, Pop and the Written Word, Routledge, London.

A. Bennett, Popular Music and Youth Culture: Music, Identity and Place, Chapters 1 and 2 (11-51)

Week 1: British Pop in the 60s

READING: Ian MacDonald, Revolution in the Head: The Beatles’ Records and the Sixties, ‘Introduction’ (1-33)

LISTENING: Selections from The Yardbirds, Roger the Engineer (1966)
The Beatles: Revolver (1966)
The Beatles, Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
Cream, Disraeli Gears (1967)
The Small Faces, Ogden’s Nut Gone Flake (1967)
The Kinks, Village Green Preservation Society (1968)
Van Morrison, Astral Weeks (1968)
The Rolling Stones: Beggars Banquet (1968)
The Rolling Stones, Let it Bleed (1969)
The Who, Tommy (1969)

SCREENING: Selections from The Beatles Anthology,
The Rolling Stones Rock ‘n’ Roll Circus (1968)

Week 2: Blues Rock and Heavy Metal

READING: E. Berelian (2005), The Rough Guide to Heavy Metal, London, Rough Guides.

LISTENING: Selections from Free, All Right Now (1970)
Led Zeppelin II (1969)
Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
Black Sabbath, Paranoid (1971)
Deep Purple, Made in Japan (1972)

SCREENING: The Song Remains the Same (1976)

Week 3: Progressive Rock

LISTENING: Selections from Soft Machine, Third (1970)
Yes, Close to the Edge (1972)
Genesis, Selling England by the Pound (1973)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
Henry Cow, Leg End (1973)
Pink Floyd, Wish you Were Here (1975)

READING: P. Stump (1997) The Music’s all that Matters: History of Progressive Rock, Quartet.

SCREENING: The Making of Dark Side of the Moon

Week 4: From Folk to Folk Rock

LISTENING: Selections from Martin Carthy, Martin Carthy (1965)
Bert Jansch, Bert Jansch (1965)
Nick Drake, Five Leaves Left (1968)
Fairport Convention, Liege and Lief (1969)
Roy Harper, Flat Baroque and Berserk (1970)
Richard and Linda Thompson, I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight (1974)
Billy Bragg, Talking with the Taxman about Politics (1986)

READING: N. Mackinnon (1994) The British Folk Scene: Musical Performance and Social Identity, Open University Press, Buckingham.

SCREENING: Acoustic Routes

Week 5: Art Rock and Eccentricity

LISTENING: Selections from Scott Walker, Scott 4 (1969)
Roxy Music, For Your Pleasure (1973)
Robert Wyatt, Rock Bottom (1974)
David Bowie, Heroes (1977)
Kate Bush, The Kick Inside (1978)
Brian Eno, Ambient: Music for Airports (1978)
Peter Gabriel III (1980)
Peter Gabriel IV (1982)

Week 6: Punk

LISTENING: Selections from The Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks Here’s the Sex Pistols (1977)
The Clash, The Clash (1977)
Anti-Nowhere League, Anti-Nowhere League Punk Singles Collection

READING: J. Savage (2005), England’s Dreaming, Faber and Faber.

SCREENING: Punk: Attitude (Dir. Don Letts, 2005)

FURTHER READING:
D. Hebdige (1985), Subculture: The Meaning of Style, London, Routledge.
D. Laing (1985) One Chord Wonders: Power and Meaning in Punk Rock, Open University Press, Milton Keynes.
Roger Sabin (ed.) (1999), Punk Rock, So What?: The Cultural Legacy of Punk, Routledge.

Week 7: Post-Punk and Pop

LISTENING: Selections from Wire, Pink Flag (1977)
Gang of Four, Entertainment! (1979)
PIL, Metal Box (1979)
Japan, Quiet Life (1980)
Duran Duran, Duran Duran (1981)

READING: S. Reynolds (2006), Rip it up and Start Again: Post-Punk 1978-1984, Faber and Faber.

Week 8: Ska, Rude Boy, Two-Tone, Mod, Reggae and the Mainstream

LISTENING: Selections from Elvis Costello, My Aim is True (1977)
The Specials, The Specials (1979)
Madness, One Step Beyond (1979)
The Police, Regatta de Blanc (1979)
The Jam, Sound Effects (1979)
UB40, Signing Off (1980)

READING: D. Thompson (2004), 2 Tone, The Specials and the World in Flame: Wheels out of Gear, Helter Skelter.

E. Verguren (2004), This is a Modern Life: the 1980s Mod Scene, Helter Skelter.

D. Hebdige, ‘The Meaning of Mod’ in S. Hall and T. Jefferson (eds) Resistance Through Rituals: Youth Subcultures in Post-War Britain (1976)

D. Hebdige, ‘Reggae, Rastas and Rudies’ in S. Hall and T. Jefferson (eds) Resistance Through Rituals: Youth Subcultures in Post-War Britain (1976)


Week 9: From Manchester to Madchester

LISTENING: Selections from Joy Division, Unknown Pleasures (1979)
New Order, Power, Corruption and Lies (1983)
The Smiths, The Queen is Dead (1985)
The Stone Roses, The Stone Roses (1989)
Happy Mondays, Pills ‘n’ Thrills and Bellyaches (1990)

READING: D. Thompson and D. Sultan (2005), True Faith: An Armchair Guide to New Order, Joy Division, Electronic, Revenge, Monaco and The Other Two, Helter Skelter.

S. Goddard (2004), The Smiths: Songs that Saved Your Life, Reynolds and Hearn.

SCREENING: 24 Hour Party People (Dir. Michael Winterbottom)

Week 10: Soul and Dance

LISTENING: Selections from Neneh Cherry, Raw Like Sushi (1988)
Soul II Soul, Club Classic Vol. 1 (1989)
Massive Attack, Blue Lines (1991)
Leftfield, Leftism (1995)

Week 11: Indie and Brit Pop

LISTENING: Selections from Jesus & Mary Chain, Psychocandy (1985)
My Bloody Valentine, Loveless (1991)
Teenage Fanclub, Bandwagonesque (1991)
Oasis, Definitely Maybe (1993)
Blur, Parklife (1994)
Pulp, Different Class (1995)

READING: J. Harris (2004), The Last Party: Britpop, Blair and the Demise of English Rock, London, Harper.

FURTHER READING

J.J. Beadle (1993) Will Pop Eat Itself?: Pop Music in the Sound Bite Era, Faber and Faber, London.
A. Bennett, B. Shank and J. Toynbee (eds), The Popular Music Studies Reader, London, Routledge 2005.
D. Bradley (1992) Understanding Rock ‘n’ Roll: Popular Music in Britain 1955-1964, Open University Press, Buckingham.
I. Chambers (1985) Urban Rhythms: Pop Music and Popular Culture, Macmillan, London.
Stanley Cohen (1987) Folk Devils and Moral Panics: The Creation of the Mods and Rockers, 3rd edn, Basil Blackwell, Oxford.
Sara Cohen (1991) Rock Culture in Liverpool: Popular Music in the Making, Clarendon Press, Oxford.
S. Frith (1983) Sound Effects: Youth, Leisure and the Politics of Rock, Constable, London.
S. Whitely (1992) The Space Between the Notes: Rock and the Counter-Culture, Routledge, London.
J. Lull (1992) Popular Music and Communication, 2nd edition, Sage, London.
P. Gilroy (1993) The Black Atlantic: Modernity and Double Consciousness, Verso, London.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:12 (twenty years ago)

He's particularly keen on getting more about dance music and black British music in there.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:16 (twenty years ago)

FRom Wayne Marshall @ Harvard:

Electronic Music
History and Aesthetics of Popular Music Since the 1960s
http://www.courses.dce.harvard.edu/~musie145/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:47 (twenty years ago)

the best book i've read about the 60s pop scene since 'revolution in the head' is andrew loog oldham's '2stoned'.

also, no charles shaar murray's 'crosstown traffic', no credibility.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Van Morrison, Astral Weeks (1968)

Not a very British record, when all is said and done

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:51 (twenty years ago)

that well-known british musician jimi hendrix (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:53 (twenty years ago)

well, given that hendrx recorded 1.5 lps here and was 'made' here, yeah, i'd say he needs to be included.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 09:59 (twenty years ago)

LISTENING:
Selections from The Yardbirds, Roger the Engineer (1966)
The Beatles: Revolver (1966)
The Beatles, Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
Cream, Disraeli Gears (1967)
The Small Faces, Ogden’s Nut Gone Flake (1967)
The Kinks, Village Green Preservation Society (1968)
Van Morrison, Astral Weeks (1968)
The Rolling Stones: Beggars Banquet (1968)
The Rolling Stones, Let it Bleed (1969)
The Who, Tommy (1969)

imo these are the wrong who and stones LPs, cos those stones especially are more 'american' than early hendrix. with the yardbirds, i'd just go with a 'best of' -- probably with the who, too.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

history re-written:

Mr Geir Hongro's music history essay

A HISTORY OF POP By Geir Hongro
http://www.oli.tudelft.nl/jc84/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)

25 yr old slacker is right, IMO 'the who sell out' tells you a lot more about british culture than 'tommy'.

captain easychord (captain easychord), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)

"Tommy" works as a kind of bridge between Week 1, Week 2 and Week 3, so it should be there and, whatever you might think of it, it was much more important at the time of its release than "Sell Out"

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic music
http://www.ishkur.com/music/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:07 (twenty years ago)

it's a rarity, but frith and horne's 'art into pop' is good context for the 60s and 70s.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

[i kind of think the who sucked after the 'my generation' lp...]

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

A history of Goth by Pete Scathe
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/histgoth.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Blues Rock and Heavy Metal

how can the screening for this *not* be 'this is spinal tap'? i guess the students should have seen it already.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:16 (twenty years ago)

essential reading:

Energy Flash: Journey Through Rave Music and Dance Culture
Simon Reynolds
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0330350560/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:16 (twenty years ago)

I kind of like the Who a lot now, even "Tommy", "Live At Leeds" should maybe have been in Week 2! First Led Zep album should definitely have been!!

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:16 (twenty years ago)

Essential reading:

Blissed Out: The Raptures of Rock
by Simon Reynolds
published by Serpent's Tail, London, 1990
http://members.aol.com/blissout/bo.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:17 (twenty years ago)

re folk to folk rock

include in listening:

Comus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comus_%28band%29

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

probably for indie and dance decent compilation albums would be more in order... i dunno, 'shine #27' and MoS 'clubbers annual 2002' should do it lol.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:25 (twenty years ago)

But did anyone buy Comus records when they came out?

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:26 (twenty years ago)

an extra week:

Week 12 Post-Rock

a.r.kane
Talk Talk
Bark Psychosis
Insides
Mogwai
Disco Inferno
Seefeel
Scorn
Techno Animal

Essential reading:

Simon Reynolds Post Rock Article in The Wire
http://tinyurl.com/ecrxt

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:31 (twenty years ago)

Those punk selections need bolstering up a bit. Some Slits/Siouxsie/Damned perhaps?

But did anyone buy Comus records when they came out?

No.

Saxophone Colostomy (NickB), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:36 (twenty years ago)

So you'd be better off with some Incredible String Band then!

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Module 11 needs to be bookended by "Spice".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:40 (twenty years ago)

Week 7: Post-Punk and Pop

re this week, it should be split up into further sub modules

Post-Punk: Pil/ Gang of Four/ Joy Division etc

Synth Pop/ New Romantic/ Futurists/ New Pop

Goth and Industrial

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:43 (twenty years ago)

Extra module

Week 13 The Rise of Drum N Bass/ Jungle

Prehaps the most important / creative / original British music scene of the 1990s

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)

essential reading

John Peel archive on Radio 1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:50 (twenty years ago)

The dance module looks really thin. You need to have... Dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld
Brown Album - Orbital
Music for the Jilted Generation - Prodigy

Possibly also, as it does show one route these things went, Music Has The Right To Children.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:51 (twenty years ago)

'POPULAR' music and 'POPULAR culture' -- bye-bye boreds of canada and ar kane.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 10:57 (twenty years ago)

I bet if you look at the amount of albums BOC have sold since '98 they fit into that category. Anyway from Warp here that can tell me? I know that last Aphex sold 2 million globally which is pretty darned healthy.

Plus how many ads/trailers have they been in. TOTP isn't the only way to become part of popular culture you know...

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Please stop posting.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:01 (twenty years ago)

The Dance Module needs to reference

The British Progressive House Music Scene - started in the Summer of 1992

Progressive house has its origins in Britain in the early 1990s, with the output of the Guerrilla record label and Leftfield's first singles (particularly "Song of Life") inspiring, according to various accounts, either Genesis P-Orridge of Throbbing Gristle fame or then Mixmag editor Dom Phillips to coin the term. In 1992, what was to be the first superclub, Renaissance threw open its doors in the small mining town of Mansfield, and its DJs - particularly Sasha and the then-unknown John Digweed - were instrumental in pushing the sound in its early days. The music itself consisted of the 4-to-floor beat of house music allied to deeper, dub-influenced basslines and a more melancholic, emotional edge. Often, the ethereal "swirly" textures of early trance could be heard in the mix, and various other elements from across the electronic spectrum. [From Wikipedia] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_house

...

1992 and 1993 were important times, however by 1994 Superclubs scene arrived big time and then it became default dance club mainstream.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:01 (twenty years ago)

The lack of S.A.W. on the module is a little uncomfortable as well, looking at it as an overview.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)

That should say 'anyone from Warp'...I really should proof my stuff before sending!

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)

The Dance Module needs to reference
The British Progressive House Music Scene - started in the Summer of 1992

yeah, definitely a MAJOR phase in british pop music.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:03 (twenty years ago)

ar kane's i album has more artistic merit than the entire NME approved Brit pop scene of the mid 1990s. Take note John Harris.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

But there isn't a module for "Hideously Overrated Bands of the 1980s" is there?

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

For the 60s pop stuff they really *really* need to read 'Awopbopaloobopawopbamboom' by Nik Cohn, specially if they're reading MacDonald too

Matthew Collins' "Altered State" is very good on the ahem 'social' aspects of dance music culture - any reason why Generation Ecstasy isn't on the list?

xpost Dom OTM about SAW - and where are the Spice Girls come to think of it? Tack Spice (1996) onto the end of the Britpop module, or better yet do a Bubblegum module taking in the Rollers, Wham!, SAW, Take That, Spice Girls...sorry to play the predictable 'poppist' here but this is a really important part of UK pop history/culture, even if you just want to present it as what the other stuff was 'opposed' to.

(If it was up to me there'd be a whole module on novelty records! But here we're moving into Martian territory I fear.)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

Wo ist Glam Rock?

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:08 (twenty years ago)

The British Progressive House Music Scene

i was there...September 2002 Cultural Vibes in Plymouth was one of the most important British clubs of the time. The underground vibe, superb music,...this music scene was very important...indie/rock clubs at that time in Britain were ghastly drab and dull in comparison.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:08 (twenty years ago)

Actually, book-ending the Britpop module on both sides with Take That and the Spice Girls may be a better idea, even if just as "optional listening", because Britpop was a in part a reaction to Take That, and the Spice Girls were in part a reaction to Britpop.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Week 9 seems kind of weak as a musical module, maybe the emphasis there could be more on the place, and chuck in a screening of '24 Hour Party People' too? Local scene mythmaking IS a crucial part of UK pop culture so focussing on one city is a great idea but maybe throw in a minor local act or two, and put 808 State in as a better illustration of the diversity - or that recent 'Hacienda Classics' set they just put out.

xpost GLAM ROCK!! Blimey. More important even - dare I say it - than Cultural Vibes in Plymouth.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)

ar kane's i album has more artistic merit than the entire NME approved Brit pop scene of the mid 1990s. Take note John Harris.
-- DJ Martian (altmartinu...), April 25th, 2006.

yeahbut a) you're wrong, b) the course isn't based on artistic merit but socio-cultural impact, c) don't be patronizing, it wasn't just the nme that made ppl like britpop d) it WAS just the music press that convinced people to shell out on ar kane (me included chiz).

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Week 8: Ska, Rude Boy, Two-Tone, Mod, Reggae and the Mainstream

Madness _and_ UB40 seems like overkill, one novelty reggae act is more than enough. UB40 don't really fit into that whole two-tone/rudeboy scene anyway do they, or nomoreso than, say, Aswad. I'd put The English Beat in there, because they strike me as a band who are about to come to the boil in terms of critical appraisal.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Week 10 is horrid. Why not play them some old rave tapes?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Week 14

Aspergers and the Internet; "Britpop" in the Myspace age.

Guest Speaker; DJ Martian

Required Reading
rateyourmusic.com

Required listening
Leathel Bizzle - Cor!
MIA - Oi!
Kano - Meh!
Arctic Monkeys - Duh!
Milbun - Oi! Oi!
Less Than Jake - Ska punka rumble rama for fatties vol 4.

j harris, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

Actually a rly interesting thread in UK popcult history is the way local scenes can be so hugely based on music made elsewhere - Northern Soul, the Hacienda sound, even things like the importing of US R&B into Liverpool and reggae into 70s London.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

Ummm, red rag to bull there...

This course will critique the socio-cultural impact of British popular music between 1963 and 1999.

i. Critique is not a verb. ii. This assumes the music impacts on the culture and not vice versa. Where does the 'music' start and stop? How is popular defined (i.e. perhaps classical music was more popular for much of that period)?

Songs and LPs will be read as texts which can offer unique insights into British views of class, sex and sexuality, race and politics.

i. Are the insights going to be 'unique' or are they going to be the same insights every other 'text' of those periods also 'offer' i.e. cultural artifacts are turned into history and sociology. ii. Why treat music as 'text' rather than music?

We will consider the influence of American culture (Black American culture in particular) on British popular music, the impact of immigration on concepts of Britishness, changing concepts of youth, the impact of changing technologies on music production and consumption, popular music scenes and the importance of location.

i. Why concepts not practices? Only sociologists have concepts, people have practices. ii. What is 'influence'?

alext (alext), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

CEJ didn't, I think. Edelweiss did though.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:33 (twenty years ago)

t/s Rednex vs. Shirley Collins versions of "Cotton Eye Joe."

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Ballads. Who buys them? Do people dance to them anymore, or just listen?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:56 (twenty years ago)

Here are some ideas I scribbled down during the downtime yesterday afternoon;

Scrap genre-chronology – a fake construct of the masculine conservative music press

More on modes of production – industry and recording; publishing, marketing, labels (independents vs majors) / impact of technology on recording and creativity. Marxist cultural theory – how does money drive music? What do songs mean and embody? Three Lions, Back For Good, Bittersweet Symphony, Barbie Girl, Crazy Frog

Semiotics – how do you “read” a song beyond cod-lit.theory lyrical dismemberment and away from strict academic musicology? Can songs be “read” musically and culturally without recourse to these techniques?

More on media – TOTP, Smash Hits, NME/Melody Maker; the influence of radio on music, the “loudness war”, history of pirate radio, music on television and music television

More POP – Wham!, Take That, Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, Kylie, Will Young, SAW, reality pop

Marketing – dave Clarke five, sex pistols, girls aloud, arctic monkeys

History repeats – revivals, a history of retro and comebacks and reformations

The image of pop – debord, baudrillard, stylists for “unstyled” rock bands

More dance – Prodigy / DJ culture, imported dance from Northern Soul through Chicago house and Detroit techno

More women – dusty Springfield, kylie, sinead o connor,

Reggae – immigration, British identity; Linton Kwesi Johnson vs UB40

The UK charts – the singles chart, a history of number ones, relations between singles and albums charts

The medium is the message – vinyl, CDs, MP3s; how does how and where and when and through what people listen affect pop music? Hi-fi vs sony walkman vs iPod

Adult pop – eurythmics, kate bush

The dawn of pop – 1956, cliff Richard, shadows

Subcultures – from punk to grime; the mining of subcultures by mainstream culture

Drugs and popular music – ecstasy, cocaine, mythology

Sex and popular music – identity, paedophilia (teen lolitas, industry indulgence [jonathan king], Queen, Will Young, George Michael

Simon Napier-Bell – black vinyl, white powder

The KLF – the manual

Brian Eno – bowie, fripp, sylvian, walker; art music, ambient music, talk talk

Black British music – AR Kane, long fin killie, roachford, lemar, massive attack, soul 2 soul, m people, dizzee rascal, ms dynamite, M/A/R/R/S – sampling, tricky, Bristol, ska and two-tone, the black drummer phenomenon (magic negro) in Britpop,

A history of dance music – backbeat, disco, Acid house / trance / drum n bass / gabba

The Mythology of Pop – what lies are told and why? Who benefits, who tells lies?

Crazy Frog – novelty hits; who buys them why? What is their audience? Mr blobby, bob the builder, edelweiss, cotton eye joe

Authenticity

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 06:51 (twenty years ago)

Pop written to sociocultural order - from "Back Home" to "World At Your Feet."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

Haha, WAYF is most definitely not written to sociocultural order, despite appearances - I'm finding the situation most amusing! The machinations behind it being chosen are bizarre too.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

Embrace don't get to choose whether it's written to sociocultural order or not, surely? They are umwitting payers of the game.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

wots 'world at your feet'

xpost

oic

25 yr old 'adult pop' fan (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:18 (twenty years ago)

from a practical pov, the thematic, case study-type approach beats the chronological one cos it can be more easily repeated-with-variations each year. you'd go mad teaching 'revolver' *every* year. perhaps i should cc mojo in on this thought.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:21 (twenty years ago)

David Thomson taught Citizen Kane for ten years and he said it drove him mad in the end.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:23 (twenty years ago)

Embrace don't get to choose whether it's written to sociocultural order or not, surely? They are umwitting payers of the game.

Kind of, aye. It was a tune written over a year ago (I first heard it in March last year) so the structure isn't to order. I'd wager that in Danny's head that 99% of the lyric to it aren't "about" football either.

It's all about the publishing company.

X-post - I work with loads of film academics aND TEAHCING THE SAME THING EVERY YEAR DRIVES THEM POTTY. Ooops caps.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:26 (twenty years ago)

they should teach other films innit, ie not:

'vertigo', 'peeping tom', 'the searchers', 'citizen kane', and 'battleship potemkin'.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Introduction to the Most Clichéd Film Studies Screening List EVAH, innit.

Un Chien Andalou ARGH. My Beautiful Launderette ARGH.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm shocked at the lack of women artists or correspondents on this thread but so far I think Enrique is in with the best ideas. If you're going to start at 1956 the class must read Absolute Beginners. There's also an amazing sociological text called Learning to Labour where the author studies "hairies" vs. "suedies" in a Northern town in the early '70s and shows the effects of class and kinship groups on aesthetic choices.

ISTR Cotton-Eyed Joe was a Manual record too.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:36 (twenty years ago)

entrance requirements: must WATCH 'absolute beginners'.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:37 (twenty years ago)

ISTR Cotton-Eyed Joe was a Manual record too.

I saw Drummond's ex yesterday (she'd doing a PhD at the uni where I work) and she didn't think it was. It certainly seems to fit the forumula too.

I should ask her to ask him how many people asked for refunds, actually.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:51 (twenty years ago)

The Scottish one whose name starts with S? One of our most colourful posters was 'there' first ahem, but years ago.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:58 (twenty years ago)

La Regle Du Jeu ARRRRGGGHHHHHH

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Her name starts with S but she's not Scottish. They have a son.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Although her surname's vaguelly Scots...

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Selina Scott?

Kids Will Eat Them Till the Cows Come Home (Dada), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:25 (twenty years ago)

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/031009/145722__black3_l.jpg

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:28 (twenty years ago)

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Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)

k

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:37 (twenty years ago)

I think it is the same person, NS. Impression given me by her ex-bf is that BD was not nice, and others who were in a much better position than me to observe have also said so.

How about back to the topic now?

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 27 April 2006 08:44 (twenty years ago)

really good thread! other people are covering my thoughts better, but one thing i want to elaborate on -

Semiotics – how do you “read” a song beyond cod-lit.theory lyrical dismemberment and away from strict academic musicology? Can songs be “read” musically and culturally without recourse to these techniques?

i think this is something very key: whenever pop music has made an incursion into academia, it has always been read and deconstructed as something else (lyrics-as-poetry, analysing the music according to traditional classical 'rules', or really basic and often erroneous sociological artefact). this goes back to something alex t said near the start - in what ways does pop music work as a 'thing'? as opposed to a text etc. and by what standards should it be judged? how do people listen to and consume it, and in what ways have these modes of listening/consumption affected it itself? and how does this make the study of pop music DIFFERENT to the study of poetry and so on?

because in intellectualising pop music there is always the danger of falling into dylan-as-keats territory.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Definitely. Pretending a song is a book or film in order to analyse it is simply silly.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:08 (twenty years ago)

yeah - and neither is it a piece of classical music. has someone already suggested analysing the rise of radio as mode of consumption? songs which are designed to be heard on the radio work on completely different levels to pieces designed to be heard live; analysing one according to the rules of the other makes no sense either.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Of course part of the problem is that most of the ways of 'reading' 'texts' transposed from lit crit into cultural studies were already ropey as ways of responding to literature. Because books and songs are mostly made from bits of other books and songs, and a student encountering them is unlikely to be able to perceive this (not through any incapacity, just through not having had enough time to encounter a great range of other books and songs), it's far easier to teach a way of reading which focuses on the book or song (or poem, whatever) as an object which begins and ends in itself OR in relation to some tendentious construct of 'social historical reality'. A course which focuses on genre, i.e. transformations of something over time, might have a chance of catching some of the sense of this, but might struggle with the problem of definition i.e. where are all the other bits coming from, when does disco stop being disco and start being metal, why are AC/DC's greatest records their disco albums etc. ? I think this process is also harder to trace with notes rather than words, since we can all pretty much work out the various ways in which a word is used, but it takes more training to know how notes are used. Or maybe I've just been trained in one and not the other.

alext (alext), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Why has film (say) developed it's own strong academic/critical language but popular music not really? There are surprisingly few good academic books about popular music and the average quality level of the bulk is way lower than in film writing.

I think part of this is that academic film books seem to be written a lot more often by people who actually are interested in the films in themselves and know them inside out. Academic popular music books often seem to be written by people who don't know the music they are writing about and are often riddled with the most stupid elementary factual errors.

Absolute Beginners (book vers.) very much should go on that syllabus--it's way ahead of any critical writing on pop at that point, and it's really funny.

(xposts)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:27 (twenty years ago)

yeah - and neither is it a piece of classical music. has someone already suggested analysing the rise of radio as mode of consumption? songs which are designed to be heard on the radio work on completely different levels to pieces designed to be heard live; analysing one according to the rules of the other makes no sense either.

I'm actually working on a big piece for Stylus at the moment about mastering/mixing/compression etcetera, and radio vs hi-fi vs live is a big consideration.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Because books and songs are mostly made from bits of other books and songs

aren't they, following this, also made up from bits of the world, though, bits of tendentiously constructed social histories?

Why has film (say) developed it's own strong academic/critical language but popular music not really?

key question, basis of life's work etc.

There are surprisingly few good academic books about popular music and the average quality level of the bulk is way lower than in film writing.

well, yeah, but music writing in general has hit higher levels than filmwrite. imo academic film studs have apoor hit-rate. one of the best film writers, el penman, is also one of the best music writers.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:30 (twenty years ago)

Patrick, who's Absolute Beginners by?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:32 (twenty years ago)

Why has film (say) developed it's own strong academic/critical language but popular music not really? There are surprisingly few good academic books about popular music and the average quality level of the bulk is way lower than in film writing.

a couple of weeks ago, i was talking with people about how impressively cinema (initially 'low culture') has separated itself from its 'high culture' equivalent/predecessor (theatre), whereas pop music - all pop music, from rock'n'roll to hip hop to techno - is still in the shadow of classical music in terms of academic respectability, and therefore needs to justify itself on those terms, or by appealing to other strands of 'respected' genres like folk or jazz.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:33 (twenty years ago)

colin macinnes

i was talking with people about how impressively cinema (initially 'low culture') has separated itself from its 'high culture' equivalent/predecessor (theatre)

but no, cinema didn't come out of theatre, it came out of fairground attractions and shit!

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:43 (twenty years ago)

it sometimes aspired to being 'high art' -- and it did this by making a noise about how different it was from theatre.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

Because books and songs are mostly made from bits of other books and songs

aren't they, following this, also made up from bits of the world, though, bits of tendentiously constructed social histories?

Yes, bits of the world, but does history give you access to bits of the world? Yes, obviously, and no, possibly equally obviously: the story 'I get angry about life so I invent a new form of rock and roll' misses out so much: like, 'what my new form of rock and roll is made from'. The 'made from' question interests me more than the 'why', but generally people are much happier to think in terms of 'why' stories (they have heroes and villains, for a start). If the 'why' stories interfere with the other stories, it seems fair to rule them out of court for a bit, in order to allow the others to surface.

And because the words / notes are bits of the world, and so are the stories we tell about them, there seems no reason to privilege the 'why' stories as giving us some handle on these particular combinations of words / notes. Especially since the particular bundle we happen to be looking at ALSO brings with it certain kinds of 'why' story. And what NO ONE has adequately done yet is examine how the stories rock / pop surrounds itself with are linked (either in terms of intellectual history OR in terms of affect / desire etc.) to the forms used to understand / interpret rock/pop in the academy. i.e. if modern historicism develops out of the same mutation that gives us modern popular music, how can one have an interpretive authority over the other. It would make us much sense to teach a course on the development of cultural studies in Britain using works by the musicians listed as the secondary reading.

alext (alext), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

if modern historicism develops out of the same mutation that gives us modern popular music, how can one have an interpretive authority over the other.

how can we guarantee that yr anti-historicism isn't equally a development from this mutation? take yr point, but i like 'why' stories for more than heroes-and-villians bidniz.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I think it's very unfair of Henry to blame Eddi Reader's old band for cinema, even though they were indubitably "shit."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:08 (twenty years ago)

one of the best film writers, el penman, is also one of the best music writers. and he's way more insightful than pretty much any proper academic pop music writer and he can sometimes cause me to have to get up and walk around the room bcz his writing is too fucking good (tho' I can see why he rubs some people up the wrong way.)

...all pop music, from rock'n'roll to hip hop to techno - is still in the shadow of classical music in terms of academic respectability, and therefore needs to justify itself on those terms, or by appealing to other strands of 'respected' genres like folk or jazz.

And even then it's amazing how hard it is to get good academic overviews of 20th C folk for example. Some of them are retardedly bad.

You can get Colin Macinnes' three London novels in a handy and cheap package now. Highly recommended.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0749083689/qid=1146136722/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-3981360-6049226

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:24 (twenty years ago)

how can we guarantee that yr anti-historicism isn't equally a development from this mutation?

Can't. That's the problem :-0 Actually the term historicism is a bit misleading because my position could be extremist historicism (each historical event so unique no narrative can do it justice). Historicising THIS problem might actually be obstructive, so perhaps my solution above is a further symptom, not a cure.

alext (alext), Thursday, 27 April 2006 10:43 (twenty years ago)

I am currently doing an undergraduate piece on popular music in the analytic aesthetics tradition a lot of it is unsuprisingly reflective of the authors rather canocial tastes but Theodore Graycks Rhythm and Noise
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860640907/qid=1146139878/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/026-5101189-7340424
is a very convincinhly argued book that side steps a lot of the usual problems. He is rather canonical in his choices and I think would like to clim more is "rock" than is perhaps wise but the rigour of his arguements paticuarly how he analyses the actual parts of popular music the recording and the whole rythm and noise part is very interesting. Maybe to American for this course and it is less cultural studies and more philosophy but his final chapter about the liberal ideology of "rock" is rather brilliant and makes a good attempt at dissolving authenticy arguements and rock vs pop. I am not sure he is quite succesful being rather hemmed in by an Elvis to Cobain type story but it's pretty good try.

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 27 April 2006 11:14 (twenty years ago)

I suppose the purpose of the curious starting point is to put punk at the centre - events leading up to and supposed effects of… It’s like a causes and effects of Modernism course in miniature. For an undergrad course it does seem very limited in scope never mind ambition. How long is the course supposed to last? There’s about a lecture’s worth in the current schema…

If we were doing Tom’s decentred course I’d maybe tackle it through the evolution of radio where the segmentation of audiences is quite straightforward. And my starting texts would avoid music writing altogether. Looking at the interplays of aesthetics and demographics I’d start with be Guy Bourdieu’s ‘Distinction’ and ‘Photography: A Middle-Brow Art’, Richard Hoggart’s ‘Uses of Literacy’ Walter Benjamin’s ‘Work of Art in the age of mechanical reproduction’ and probably Guy Debord’s ‘The Society of the Spectacle’ just to make myself angry.

Guy Beckett (guy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Debord was the first name I mentioned to him. Marx the second. Image and money run pop.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Bump.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

This is right on, Scik Mouthy. It's telling, I think, that your friend had a cohesive theme (Brit music), and a cohesive thesis (that there is some relationship between these kinds of music) instead of trying to tackle the entire history of pop music. Also, there isn't a section called: OASIS: MOST IMPORTANT BAND EVA, BIATCHES.

Very, very important, that last thing.

Mordechai Shinefield, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Week 14
Aspergers and the Internet; "Britpop" in the Myspace age.

Guest Speaker; DJ Martian

Required Reading
rateyourmusic.com

Required listening
Leathel Bizzle - Cor!
MIA - Oi!
Kano - Meh!
Arctic Monkeys - Duh!
Milbun - Oi! Oi!
Less Than Jake - Ska punka rumble rama for fatties vol 4.

-- j harris, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:13 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ lolled at this hardcore

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm guessing it was an Esteban pearler?

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

Reads more like former-Stylus chucklehead pscott.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

I posted actual paragraphs on this thread wtf?

Still think this thread could 'go' 'somewhere' if someone takes it by the neck.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)


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