what is the DEAD-est dance genre in 06??

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goa trance? or scandinavian techno?

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

The foxtrot?

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

goa trance = psytrance which is still going strong

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'd say regular Ibiza-style trance. Garage?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

do people still listen to Reggaeton? It sounded like it was going to be massive only last summer but I haven't heard a whimper since.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think a genre that has entire radio stations dedicated to it can be the dead-est.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I mean DEAD-est.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost that's cause you live in a nasty place

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

60% of dance music sold in Japan is psytrance

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

or is it 60% or psytrance is sold in Japan. I can never remember which. Anyway, hippies don't give up easy.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

2-step?

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

idm

snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

frankfurt hardtrance

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

tho it pains me to say it, Big Beat?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

hardcore?

fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

hey DJ bring that back!

go on with your big ass self

i think the last big beat song i heard was a fatboy slim "remix" of ludacris

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

fez - hardly

charlton i bet they play that stuff in rotterdam all the time.

i say it's still jungle.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe US Garage, that slinky soulful stuff. Where did it go this decade? That early Kelley Polar stuff harked to it I thought (maybe just the strings really). Leaving aside Todd Edwards, I have no idea what luminaries on the Eastern Seaboard have done in the 00s. Nobody talks about US house/garage on ILM.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

IDM / EDM / minimal trance / dubstep are all biggish at the moment.

I think bigbeat has really declined. Progressive house is probably fairly dead, because they'll try and call it something different.

rchinn (rchinn), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://byandlarge.net/scuttlebutt/images/neighbourhood/locked.jpg

lf (lfam), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Guys don't forget rap music.

deeej, Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

do people still listen to Reggaeton? It sounded like it was going to be massive only last summer but I haven't heard a whimper since.

It's not a huge crossover success, but it remains huge with young Latinos. Also, as I have been droning on about for a while, Daddy Yankee, Tego Calderon, Don Omar, and Ivy Queen are all due to release new albums this year. They haven't put out all new material for a while (in terms of pop music turn around time). Meanwhile, reggaeton is still topping Latin music charts.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking US garage, but with the suspicion that it's going strong and I just never hear about it. Some of the suggestions in here are crazy. Big beat feels like the right answer, although a lot of its proponents managed to wriggle out of it and carry on doing shit - see also electroclash

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Dead Or Alive?
Dead Can Dance?
And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead?
The Grateful Dead?

Dan (I Was About To Scream "MADNESS" At The Reggaeton Comment Before I Realized , Friday, 28 April 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Basically a silly article, but--

http://www.southflorida.com/sfl-reggaeton-latapr16,0,341409.story

From the South Florida Sun-Sentinel


Is reggaeton's fire going out?
Dearth of new artists and material stirs concern, but in Puerto Rico, all is well.

By Agustin Gurza
Los Angeles Times


April 16 2006


Reggaeton may be running out of gasolina.

Radio stations that flocked to the thumping Latino hip-hop style have seen their ratings slip in recent weeks. In at least three markets -- Las Vegas, Dallas and Miami -- stations that gambled on the music's growing popularity have since switched back to more traditional musical formats.

One year after the genre exploded onto the scene with Daddy Yankee's
revved-up hit Gasolina, reggaeton is suffering from a lack of new
artists and fresh material. The same handful of performers -- Yankee, Tego Calderon, Don Omar, Luny Tunes, Ivy Queen -- have dominated radio play lists, sales charts and concert lineups for more than a year, an eon in pop music terms.

"There's only the same five songs on the radio and the same five
artists on all the compilations," says Boy Wonder, the producer of the 2004 reggaeton documentary Chosen Few. "People need to hear more new stuff."

Although most of the world didn't discover reggaeton until last year, the brash and sexy genre dates back almost two decades. Rooted in Panama and cultivated in Puerto Rico, the music is a fusion of Latin hip-hop and salsa styles over an insistent, programmed rhythm based on the dembow beat of Jamaican dancehall.

During the last decade, the music survived as a mostly underground
phenomenon with raw lyrics reflecting the rough-and-tumble reality of Puerto Rican barrios. The music broke big in 2005, with polished
productions and a spruced-up image, to become the biggest Latin music sensation since Ricky Martin led the Latin crossover wave of 1999.

But reggaeton's sudden international success is also the source of its current troubles.

The rap on reggaeton has always been that it's too repetitive. Without a deep catalog of hits to fall back on, new reggaeton radio stations found themselves stuck with a relatively small set of records to program. To critics and skeptical newcomers, it all started sounding like one long song being played 24/7.

"Radio launched these stations from nothing: Today you're playing
cumbias, tomorrow it's reggaeton," said Gus Lopez, who heads the
genre's leading label, Machete Music. "In order for them to go from 0 to 60 overnight, they ended up playing Gasolina 80 or 90 times a week."


Everybody onboard

In addition to becoming monotonous through over-exposure, it also
started losing the street credibility that had been nurtured for years by its leading exponents.

In the feeding frenzy following Yankee's breakthrough, Latin labels
rushed to release reggaeton records by whatever artists they could
find, often second- and third-string players. Pop artists, such as
Colombian superstar Shakira and Los Angeles-based banda singer Yolanda Perez included reggaeton tracks on their records, akin to Madonna doing gangsta rap. Even J-Lo got into the act with plans to produce a reggaeton movie through her film company, Nuyorican Productions.

"Every record company jumped on the bandwagon when it was already
flying down the street, but they missed it when the slow wheels were
turning," said Machete's Lopez, who worked for years in Puerto Rico as reggaeton was developing. "When something is hot, everybody is going to try to throw money at it, and maybe in that rush to market we [the industry] didn't get the best records to radio."


The cooling trend

Only one of two Miami stations that took up reggaeton last year is
playing the genre today. Clear Channel-owned Mega 94.9 (WMGE-FM), which used to be rock station 94.9 Zeta, is 14 months into its life as an outlet for reggaeton and Latin hip-hop. But Univision-owned La Kalle 98.3 (WRTO-FM) has reverted to salsa music after less than a year of reggaeton.

Ratings for Mega remain well above those posted by the station in its final months as Zeta. But after a recent shakeup at Clear Channel in South Florida, with new executives replacing the team that brought reggaeton to Miami, it's not clear what the future holds for Mega or for any of Clear Channel's local stations.

It was headline news when Los Angeles's KXOL-FM (96.3) switched to
reggaeton last May, dumping its easy listening format. In the summer of 2005, the station shot from 18th to second place overall, and first among listeners 12 to 24 years old, according to Arbitron, the ratings service.

At that point, it seemed like there was no stopping reggaeton. A string of other stations followed suit, including eight in the Univision radio network. Clear Channel converted four of its stations to the so-called Hurban format, for Hispanic urban.

By the end of the year, however, KXOL had slipped to eighth place in
the Los Angeles market, trailing three Spanish-language competitors
with more conservative formats.

True believers insist the genre is simply undergoing a natural
correction, like an inflated stock market.

Pio Ferro, vice president of programming for the Spanish Broadcasting System, which owns KXOL, described reggaeton as last year's "new toy."

The novelty has simply worn off, he said.

"You constantly hear that in this business, `Oh yeah, reggaeton, it's over with,'" says Ferro. "We have every indication to believe that the radio station and the music are as healthy as ever."


Still hot at home

Reggaeton radio pioneer DJ Kazzanova, program director for Univision's La Kalle station in New York City, WCAA-FM (105.9), says the genre needs recharging. And for that, he's counting on upcoming new releases from heavyweights such as Calderon and Omar.

"Some of the biggest players in the game haven't dropped new albums," says Kazzanova, host of the syndicated Súbelo Reggaeton Radio show. "When they do, it's going to be another peak. Also, this music is very summerish -- it's the vibe of people who want to be outside blasting the reggaeton."

Others still see hope in emerging or maturing artists. Radio is
starting to feature new tunes with fresh names, including the
irreverent Calle 13 and three other Puerto Rican duos: Wisin & Yandel, Yaga & Mackie Ranks and Rakim & Ken-Y. Several new artists are featured on El Draft 2005, the latest compilation from producer Boy Wonder, who looks to New York as the source of new talent and trends in reggaeton.

Meanwhile, back in Puerto Rico, where it all started, reggaeton remains as hot as ever.

The island is still producing a steady stream of new artists -- the
rest of the world just hasn't heard of them yet, says Ricardo
Villanueva, editor of In the House, touted as the first international magazine devoted to reggaeton.

"Whether reggaeton stays here or gets exported to the outside," he
says, "the music will live on for years."


The Los Angeles Times is a Tribune Co. newspaper.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ deeej

yeah, rappers got an oscar, it's free money for life now

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hongro House is losing steam.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

it's like when baile funk is no longer cool up north (and it's losing ground too--another casualty of our in-and-out www-fueled musical tastes), that don't mean folks aren't still going to be loving it in favelas....

cybele (cybele), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

you can actually BUY reggaeton albums easily, that's a big plus. you don't have to wait for diplo or the germans to put out comps of it.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the only way to judge this is by what critics think tho...as worthless as that may be itself!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

experimental horse music continues to be one of the most unappreciated, well, actually completely unknown yet fabulously inventive genres in the world today. i'm a critic and i say so.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

gotta love the germans...seriously. there's some amazing one drop stuff being made over there.

cybele (cybele), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

What about D'n'B? I tried looking for Breakbeat Science's store in the East Village the other day and only found a trendy clothes store.

natedey (ndeyoung), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hi-NRG.

js (honestengine), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

dnb is alive and well on this side of the atlantic. xpost

fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone compose waltzes anymore?

fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

RHYTHM AND QUADRILLE

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

handbag

hank (hank s), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

???

BIG BEAT IS HUGE

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

beardo house = big beat w/ a wig and boots instead of kangol + trainers

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

All of them.

CASE CLOSED

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

"lol"

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

HANDBAG

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

experimental horse music


Man I gotta hear some of that shit!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.455th.ukpc.net/tomfeise/gallop.gif

How about some progressive horse?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

so there are more swedish hard techno clubs in london than places where they play handbag?

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

[admin: don't post "goatse" on ilx ffs]

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/classics/emma/pegasos-.jpg

Ambient horse.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

GOATSE TRANCE

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

AMBIENT ANAL

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://superherouniverse.com/other/zorro/sunset.jpg

Latin horse.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

jeez louise!

Chill out

(if that can be called a genre, or dance)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

you people are morons

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

[admin: don't post "goatse" on ilx ffs]
-- Tuomas (lixnix...) (webmail), April 28th, 2006. (Tuomas) (later) (link)


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I have no idea where the goatse came from, what I posted was an image of a pony with the tag "microhorse". Was some mod fooling around?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

webbies really don't like hotlinking these days...

fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I posted the same picture here, and it's still a pony there. I have no idea what happened.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

You plum, you just posted goatse again. If you're not being disingenuous you must really be educationally subnormal not to grasp the idea of hotlinking being punished with a shock site.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, Internet.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

hard house

and....

you must really be educationally subnormal

one could argue the same of you for clicking on it a second time :-p

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's likely caching as the browsed picture (in google image search or whatever) on Tuomas' browser cache... but obviously not for everyone else, who'll get the goatman!

fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

vahid i had no idea big beat was big. i vainly imagine this makes me the opposite of a moron, in a certain way, but? is BREAKS big again too or something?? "pacific breaks vol. VII"!!!!!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

one could argue the same of you for clicking on it a second time :-p

-- rentboy

Well the image doesn't disturb me or bother me, so I'm not really bothered. But I browse ILM at work and I'm sure other people also browse the site at times they wouldn't like to see that picture (with kids around or the in-laws or something).

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

It isn't tuomas' fault, it's the fault of the shitheads who redirect to that instead of a "hotlinking forbidden" .jpg

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

experimental horse music

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well the image doesn't disturb me or bother me, so I'm not really bothered. But I browse ILM at work and I'm sure other people also browse the site at times they wouldn't like to see that picture (with kids around or the in-laws or something).

oh i know jimnaseum, i was just playin. i'm here from work too, but i browse ILX with images turned off for that very reason

Two quick reactions to goatse:

1) It's actually disconcerting how much my internet usage has dulled my reaction/senses regarding this picture

2) Sites that don't specifically ask you NOT to hotlink are kinda shitty for taking such a hard-lined approach to hotlinking.

that's all

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

isn't v's fuming at everyone just indicative of the fact that most of the genres named just morph into something else?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

yes

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

i want to know which ones just died, beyond rehabilitation, careers down the drain, etc.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't heard a good bagatelle in ages.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

The menuet isn't too hip these days, is it?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

i want to know which ones just died, beyond rehabilitation, careers down the drain, etc.

Original German trance, maybe? Are Cosmic Baby, Mijk van Dijk, Oliver Lieb, et al still around? The ones from that era that are still active, like Sven Väth and Paul van Dyk, are doing something a bit different these days.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

oliver lieb = solieb, and he's doing pretty good electro/micro these days

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's always the one that just passed that seems the most dead. i have to say that Miss Kitten style electroclash seems the most bankrupt to me if it's not actually the deadest.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

lieb is playing, tonite, i think, at spacebase, with steve bicknell

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of totally dead genres i'm going to see jeff mills tomorrow night. i'm v excited!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Gavottecore is definitely on the wane.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody talks about US house/garage on ILM.
-- Konal Doddz (stevem7...), April 28th, 2006 5:51 PM. (blueski) (later) (link)

I was thinking US garage, but with the suspicion that it's going strong and I just never hear about it.
-- DJ Mencap (lackofinteres...), April 28th, 2006 5:59 PM. (DJ Mencap) (later) (link)

You people. At least you're careful enough to wear gloves before stirring shit.

blunt (blunt), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

antwerp backstep

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 28 April 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

my vote goes to Bakalao.

blunt (blunt), Friday, 28 April 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Mozartstep


Well no that's not true, that's just something I made up after an occasion where I was laying drum n' bass loops over mozart. It hasen't caught on yet though.

Thomas Mehlt (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Saturday, 29 April 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Is Speed Garage a genre?

viborgu, Sunday, 30 April 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

It was.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Sunday, 30 April 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

Tiesto will always be number one.

horse the band, Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

In the list of top wankers....

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

(81 stupid answers, last at 11:12 pm)

33 stupid messages are hidden.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

That whole sort of retro, jazzy-dance type scene that bubbled around through most of the 90s, kind of like the backwash from Acid Jazz is pretty dead, no? I mean you still hear it playing in the background at bars every now and then, but no club ever puts on a night of it anymore, right? There'll always be an audience of collectors/purists but as a mainstream concern that whole funk-derived sound is very unpopular right now. I can't imagine the likes of Keb Darge having huge numbers of bookings these days. However it's hardly "career-destroying" because most of the people involved were doing it for years before it ever got popular anyhow.

What about 4beat happy hardcore? As far as I can tell the audience for hardcore only really care about darker sounds these days. Although I suppose you could argue that this just morphed into hardhouse...

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

Happy Hardcore still seems to sell to the under 16's...

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

They advertise the comps on TV, dammit

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

amyl house

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

SMASH HOUSE

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's been a while since i heard some skacid...

Hans Veneman (veneman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

squaredance

hank (hank s), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)


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