― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)
― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)
― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)
― fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)
go on with your big ass self
i think the last big beat song i heard was a fatboy slim "remix" of ludacris
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)
charlton i bet they play that stuff in rotterdam all the time.
i say it's still jungle.
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)
I think bigbeat has really declined. Progressive house is probably fairly dead, because they'll try and call it something different.
― rchinn (rchinn), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― lf (lfam), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― deeej, Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
It's not a huge crossover success, but it remains huge with young Latinos. Also, as I have been droning on about for a while, Daddy Yankee, Tego Calderon, Don Omar, and Ivy Queen are all due to release new albums this year. They haven't put out all new material for a while (in terms of pop music turn around time). Meanwhile, reggaeton is still topping Latin music charts.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (I Was About To Scream "MADNESS" At The Reggaeton Comment Before I Realized , Friday, 28 April 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.southflorida.com/sfl-reggaeton-latapr16,0,341409.story
From the South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Is reggaeton's fire going out? Dearth of new artists and material stirs concern, but in Puerto Rico, all is well.
By Agustin Gurza Los Angeles Times
April 16 2006
Reggaeton may be running out of gasolina.
Radio stations that flocked to the thumping Latino hip-hop style have seen their ratings slip in recent weeks. In at least three markets -- Las Vegas, Dallas and Miami -- stations that gambled on the music's growing popularity have since switched back to more traditional musical formats.
One year after the genre exploded onto the scene with Daddy Yankee's revved-up hit Gasolina, reggaeton is suffering from a lack of new artists and fresh material. The same handful of performers -- Yankee, Tego Calderon, Don Omar, Luny Tunes, Ivy Queen -- have dominated radio play lists, sales charts and concert lineups for more than a year, an eon in pop music terms.
"There's only the same five songs on the radio and the same five artists on all the compilations," says Boy Wonder, the producer of the 2004 reggaeton documentary Chosen Few. "People need to hear more new stuff."
Although most of the world didn't discover reggaeton until last year, the brash and sexy genre dates back almost two decades. Rooted in Panama and cultivated in Puerto Rico, the music is a fusion of Latin hip-hop and salsa styles over an insistent, programmed rhythm based on the dembow beat of Jamaican dancehall.
During the last decade, the music survived as a mostly underground phenomenon with raw lyrics reflecting the rough-and-tumble reality of Puerto Rican barrios. The music broke big in 2005, with polished productions and a spruced-up image, to become the biggest Latin music sensation since Ricky Martin led the Latin crossover wave of 1999.
But reggaeton's sudden international success is also the source of its current troubles.
The rap on reggaeton has always been that it's too repetitive. Without a deep catalog of hits to fall back on, new reggaeton radio stations found themselves stuck with a relatively small set of records to program. To critics and skeptical newcomers, it all started sounding like one long song being played 24/7.
"Radio launched these stations from nothing: Today you're playing cumbias, tomorrow it's reggaeton," said Gus Lopez, who heads the genre's leading label, Machete Music. "In order for them to go from 0 to 60 overnight, they ended up playing Gasolina 80 or 90 times a week."
Everybody onboard
In addition to becoming monotonous through over-exposure, it also started losing the street credibility that had been nurtured for years by its leading exponents.
In the feeding frenzy following Yankee's breakthrough, Latin labels rushed to release reggaeton records by whatever artists they could find, often second- and third-string players. Pop artists, such as Colombian superstar Shakira and Los Angeles-based banda singer Yolanda Perez included reggaeton tracks on their records, akin to Madonna doing gangsta rap. Even J-Lo got into the act with plans to produce a reggaeton movie through her film company, Nuyorican Productions.
"Every record company jumped on the bandwagon when it was already flying down the street, but they missed it when the slow wheels were turning," said Machete's Lopez, who worked for years in Puerto Rico as reggaeton was developing. "When something is hot, everybody is going to try to throw money at it, and maybe in that rush to market we [the industry] didn't get the best records to radio."
The cooling trend
Only one of two Miami stations that took up reggaeton last year is playing the genre today. Clear Channel-owned Mega 94.9 (WMGE-FM), which used to be rock station 94.9 Zeta, is 14 months into its life as an outlet for reggaeton and Latin hip-hop. But Univision-owned La Kalle 98.3 (WRTO-FM) has reverted to salsa music after less than a year of reggaeton.
Ratings for Mega remain well above those posted by the station in its final months as Zeta. But after a recent shakeup at Clear Channel in South Florida, with new executives replacing the team that brought reggaeton to Miami, it's not clear what the future holds for Mega or for any of Clear Channel's local stations.
It was headline news when Los Angeles's KXOL-FM (96.3) switched to reggaeton last May, dumping its easy listening format. In the summer of 2005, the station shot from 18th to second place overall, and first among listeners 12 to 24 years old, according to Arbitron, the ratings service.
At that point, it seemed like there was no stopping reggaeton. A string of other stations followed suit, including eight in the Univision radio network. Clear Channel converted four of its stations to the so-called Hurban format, for Hispanic urban.
By the end of the year, however, KXOL had slipped to eighth place in the Los Angeles market, trailing three Spanish-language competitors with more conservative formats.
True believers insist the genre is simply undergoing a natural correction, like an inflated stock market.
Pio Ferro, vice president of programming for the Spanish Broadcasting System, which owns KXOL, described reggaeton as last year's "new toy." The novelty has simply worn off, he said.
"You constantly hear that in this business, `Oh yeah, reggaeton, it's over with,'" says Ferro. "We have every indication to believe that the radio station and the music are as healthy as ever."
Still hot at home
Reggaeton radio pioneer DJ Kazzanova, program director for Univision's La Kalle station in New York City, WCAA-FM (105.9), says the genre needs recharging. And for that, he's counting on upcoming new releases from heavyweights such as Calderon and Omar.
"Some of the biggest players in the game haven't dropped new albums," says Kazzanova, host of the syndicated Súbelo Reggaeton Radio show. "When they do, it's going to be another peak. Also, this music is very summerish -- it's the vibe of people who want to be outside blasting the reggaeton."
Others still see hope in emerging or maturing artists. Radio is starting to feature new tunes with fresh names, including the irreverent Calle 13 and three other Puerto Rican duos: Wisin & Yandel, Yaga & Mackie Ranks and Rakim & Ken-Y. Several new artists are featured on El Draft 2005, the latest compilation from producer Boy Wonder, who looks to New York as the source of new talent and trends in reggaeton.
Meanwhile, back in Puerto Rico, where it all started, reggaeton remains as hot as ever.
The island is still producing a steady stream of new artists -- the rest of the world just hasn't heard of them yet, says Ricardo Villanueva, editor of In the House, touted as the first international magazine devoted to reggaeton.
"Whether reggaeton stays here or gets exported to the outside," he says, "the music will live on for years."
The Los Angeles Times is a Tribune Co. newspaper.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)
yeah, rappers got an oscar, it's free money for life now
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)
― cybele (cybele), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)
― cybele (cybele), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)
― natedey (ndeyoung), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)
― fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)
― fez, Friday, 28 April 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)
― hank (hank s), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)
BIG BEAT IS HUGE
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)
CASE CLOSED
― Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)
Man I gotta hear some of that shit!
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)
How about some progressive horse?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)
Ambient horse.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)
Latin horse.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)
Chill out
(if that can be called a genre, or dance)
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)
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I have no idea where the goatse came from, what I posted was an image of a pony with the tag "microhorse". Was some mod fooling around?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)
and....
you must really be educationally subnormal
one could argue the same of you for clicking on it a second time :-p
― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)
-- rentboy
Well the image doesn't disturb me or bother me, so I'm not really bothered. But I browse ILM at work and I'm sure other people also browse the site at times they wouldn't like to see that picture (with kids around or the in-laws or something).
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)
oh i know jimnaseum, i was just playin. i'm here from work too, but i browse ILX with images turned off for that very reason
Two quick reactions to goatse:
1) It's actually disconcerting how much my internet usage has dulled my reaction/senses regarding this picture
2) Sites that don't specifically ask you NOT to hotlink are kinda shitty for taking such a hard-lined approach to hotlinking.
that's all
― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)
Original German trance, maybe? Are Cosmic Baby, Mijk van Dijk, Oliver Lieb, et al still around? The ones from that era that are still active, like Sven Väth and Paul van Dyk, are doing something a bit different these days.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)
― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Telephonething (Telephonething), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
I was thinking US garage, but with the suspicion that it's going strong and I just never hear about it.-- DJ Mencap (lackofinteres...), April 28th, 2006 5:59 PM. (DJ Mencap) (later) (link)
You people. At least you're careful enough to wear gloves before stirring shit.
― blunt (blunt), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 28 April 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)
― blunt (blunt), Friday, 28 April 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)
Well no that's not true, that's just something I made up after an occasion where I was laying drum n' bass loops over mozart. It hasen't caught on yet though.
― Thomas Mehlt (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Saturday, 29 April 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)
― viborgu, Sunday, 30 April 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Sunday, 30 April 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)
― horse the band, Sunday, 30 April 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)
― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)
33 stupid messages are hidden.
― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)
What about 4beat happy hardcore? As far as I can tell the audience for hardcore only really care about darker sounds these days. Although I suppose you could argue that this just morphed into hardhouse...
― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)
― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Hans Veneman (veneman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)
― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)