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Acts whose main fanbase consisted of other musicians

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Velvet Underground
Mott The Hoople
Toto
Chicago

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Mott the Hoople?!??! Shut up Geir.

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Zappa, at times.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hongroe

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Posters whose main fanbase consisted of other mentalists

― There's a Guy Works Down the Chip Shop Swears He's Elvish (noodle vague), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

NRBQ?
Roy Buchanan?

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hen fap whose hen fap consisted of other hen fap.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

souled american?

― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

The Frogs.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Captain Beefheart!
Live Skull!

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

people who only write for choir and concert bands

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

The Beatles. Can we go home now?

― My Vileness Is a Dream (noodle vague), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Weather Report, Return To Forever, Jaco Pastorius, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Chick Corea...

― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Velvet Underground??? VU & Nico is pretty much given away in freshman goodie-packs with deodorant samples and football banners!

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

i think its actually the blueprint now

― -++--+-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Radiohead was--for a while anyway--"the band that people in bands listen to"*

*At least, I remember hearing an ad for the Album Network broadcast of OK Computer that said so.

― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

When I saw Dickie Betts, it was about 80% dudes in the audience, and I'll bet that 95% of them play guitar.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Satriani

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.therealallanholdsworth.com/

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think this thread indicates the longstanding misconception that bands whose music is hard to play are mostly supported by musicians. most of the allan holdsworth fans I know aren't musicians, they're just old dudes who like fusion and prog. in fact, the only music I know supported primarly by musicians is some of the stuff you hear in college music depts (especially stuff like concert band music, where the form itself is kind of outmoded, and the only people that care anymore are the ones playing it, or the parents of the ones playing it)

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Bonzo Dog Band.

― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

see also drum corps music

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

I guess my sample of people I've met who like Allan Holdsworth is too small to draw any conclusions.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

But what about, say, Dave Weckyl -- does he really have non-drummer fans?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, leave aside "musicians", but guys that work in guitar shops and other assorted muso bores do tend to listen to stuff like Allan Holdsworth and Joe Satriani and other stuff no normal person would listen to

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

... in my experience

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah, because he only got famous after playing w/Chick Corea, who has tons of non-musician fans (how do you win a grammy w/only musicians as your fans?). I mean, I'm sure Dave Weckyl's diehard fanbase is mostly drummers - but then you never know. The people who show up at concerts are generally not the same crowd as who shows up at a masterclass.

x-post

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

im tryna think of who the rap version of this would be, most "ya favorite rappers favorite rapper" types usually have got sizable non-rapper fanbases too but some dudes like playa fly & t-rock & bun b are clearly more esteemed in the rap world than by the general public

― -++-+++-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

and of course the rap version of 20 minute guitar solo dudes, canibus

― -+-+-+-++++, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

if the guys who work in guitar shops are your primary audience, then you probably have a really small audience. holdsworth and especially satriani have way more fans than this

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Well maybe this thread should be about music whose fanbase mainly consisted of other musicians but was worth a salt? ? ? Because sometimes bands are listened to by musicians but not because they are virtusoso, but because they have feeling.

Lightning Bolt.
Nico's solo album.

― andrew b (klik99), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Seems like a lot of hip-hop heads also have like one notebook of rhymes they wrote or a couple turntables they never use or something, so it's hard to define "other rappers." Rap nerds, maybe. But I guess even more dudes probably know how to play Redemption Song on the guitar, so "other musicians" is shaky too.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

im basically thinking of it as proportion between mentions in interviews as a huge influence vs actual commercial success

― -+-++-+-++, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

does Canibus get many interview mentions, though? I can't think of many (though I don't read as many as Trife does).

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i meant interview mentions for the southern trinity i named up top, canibus is more of a true skool/netcee god mc than driving inspiration behind the scenes of commercial rap

― -++-++-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

soundscan numbers for dudes who started rapping cuz of bun b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soundscan numbers for 'trill'

― -++-++-+-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

if the guys who work in guitar shops are your primary audience, then you probably have a really small audience. holdsworth and especially satriani have way more fans than this

Satriani, like Toto, Chicago, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, Yes, ELP etc., have a lot of fans among

- People who work in instrument shops
- Writers in magazine aimed at musicians
- Musicians, particularly session men
- Music students and musicology students

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

But most of those artists also had big radio hits. Yes is one of the more accessible prog bands, I think, and even a lot of people who don't particularly like prog probably get off to Roundabout or All Good People when they come on the radio (not to mention Owner of a Lonely Heart).

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

"Roundabout" and "All Good People" were hits at a time when anything "cosmic" appealed to a huge contingent of hippies. They didn't neccessarily get much sense out of it (the way people with actual understanding of music did), but they still found it "groovy".

As for "Owner Of a Lonely Heart", that song is largely hated by those who loved 70s Yes.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, but your four categories are a long way from explaining the immense popularity of Yes.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji

― Chinchilla Volapük (Captain Sleep), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, the only people I've ever heard mention Tom Harrell at all are jazz musicians, and some of them tend to salivate over him. There are probably other jazz dudes like that.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

Woody Shaw definitely gets cited by musicians a lot more than other folks, but he did play on some semi-canonical jazz records

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

They didn't neccessarily get much sense out of it (the way people with actual understanding of music did)

Ahahahahahahaha. Silly people, actually liking music because they find it enjoyable to listen to. Damn them all to hell, idiots!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

Roundabout" and "All Good People" were hits at a time when anything "cosmic" appealed to a huge contingent of hippies. They didn't neccessarily get much sense out of it (the way people with actual understanding of music did), but they still found it "groovy".

Dude, I heard Roundabout for the first time when I was four years old and I thought it was pretty much the grooviest thing since Grover.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

im tryna think of who the rap version of this would be

Dude, Devin.

― Rodney/Genius (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)


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