early 80s bands whose 1st album was postpunk and 2nd album was New Pop

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There must be some. Spandau Ballet, perhaps?

― Revivalist (Revivalist), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Not Spandau Ballet

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

But yes, Adam and the Ants, sort of

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Journeys To Glory has a sort of a postpunk vibe doesn't it? In a numany, ultravoxy kind of way?

― Revivalist (Revivalist), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Scritti Politti maybe, although I don't know if their early postpunk stuff was assembled into an album at the time

― Revivalist (Revivalist), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't.

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Simple Minds maybe ?

― snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Bowie from Scary Monsters to Let's Dance describes this trajectory perfectly, although admittedly they are not first and second albums.

― frederic p, Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Simple Minds - nope

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Borderline case: Heaven 17?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Lateral case: the Specials.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

What about the Human League?

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

not at all what you're looking for in terms of one-album progressions but perhaps worth thinking about in terms of postpunk>pop

U2
the jesus & mary chain
specials>fb3>colourfield
the beat>general public
jam>style council
joy division>new order
blondie

― Deutschemarx, Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

If you'll pass The Affectionate Punch as post-punk, and accept that Fourth Drawer Down is not an LP proper, then we could maybe say the Associates?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Fra Lippo Lippi somewhat fits this template wot? From doomy Joy Division copyists to light and airy pop. Not that I can remember mush about their akshul choons.

― Soon Over Barabajagal (NickB), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

The Thompson Twats maybe?

― Soon Over Barabajagal (NickB), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Bow Wow Wow? Wham?

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

New Order: Movement --> Power, Corruption & Lies

Is the only answer I can come up with, and it only works if you ignore Joy Division.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

I was just about to say New Order... and even then PCL is not exactly 'New Pop' as I understand the term but it's poppy and upbeat to Movement's doomy and downbeat.

― TKG, Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, got that wrong ways 'round. Wham -> Big Flame.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe no one said Duran Duran yet.

― Max Blazevic (kitaj), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

yes, it all started back in the '80s.

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― Max Blazevic (kitaj), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

No-one's mentioned Altered Images yet?

C'mon.

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― Sambal, Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Modified Girls would've been a great name for a postpunk band.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

adam ant

― shuk, Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

AMG review of first Thompson Twins album

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised that no one's mentioned Orange Juice yet. Their 1st album You Can't Hide Your Love Forever has more of a ragged, post-punk feel though there are soul and pop influences lingering on the surfaces, including a cover of Al Green's "L.O.V.E.". Their 2nd album Rip It Up is much more heavily-produced, funkier, glossier and features reggae and world rhythms on some songs. It's also nowhere near as good, though the title track, "Flesh of My Flesh" and 1 or 2 others are excellent.

The English Beat are another good pick in this category, though it took them 2 albums after their 1st to go "new pop" with Special Beat Service.

― Matt Berlyant (incarag), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jasper's first album was totally post-punk...completely angular and aggressive. Then they started taking ambien and got totally new pop, really funny stuff.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

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― DOQQUN (donut), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Tubeway Army

― hank (hank s), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's an interesting one, though. Is the second album really so different from the first?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Modern English's excellent debut album, Mesh and Lace, was textbook post-punk. They sounded like a combination of Joy Division and Wire. Of course, they became more commercial after that with I Melt With You. But that first album was a gem.

― Jeff K (jeff k), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Tubeway Army's second was, to these ears at least, much less "edgier" and "punky" than their first...(oh I hate those adjectives)

― hank (hank s), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

B52's?

Of course The Cure did this the other way 'round....

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

How about Psychedelic Furs?

Simple Minds were post punk for their first three albums, and didn't turn into New Pop until "Sons And Fascination".
Also, Fra Lippo Lippi were still very postpunk by the time of their second album. They didn't change until "Songs" third time around.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

OMD's debut was sort of Post Punk-like wasn't it?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

it was pre-good.

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― cheat-casino, Friday, 5 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Fra Lippo Lippi somewhat fits this template wot? From doomy Joy Division copyists to light and airy pop. Not that I can remember mush about their akshul choons.

-- Soon Over Barabajagal (nic...), May 4th, 2006.

OMG. I don't know if I'm more in awe at the fact that you've mentioned FLL or that your moniker is so terribly brilliant, Nick.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Friday, 5 May 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I've said it elsewhere on this board before, but I really can't stand this term "New Pop". I had never heard or read that term before until Reynolds' book Rip It Up & Start Again. Did the British press really use this word in the early 80's? Isn't it just the same thing as what we might call New Wave? I can't seem to find the thread where I asked this question before, so I don't know if anyone responded.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

New Pop was either synthpop, new romantics or blue-eyed soul, I guess. Brits tend to divide music into a lot more different genres than the more radio formatting oriented Americans.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

And given that it refers to those styles Geir mentions, it seems to me like a handy term. Don't know the extent to which it's a neologism, but I don't think I care either way.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

OMD's debut was sort of Post Punk-like wasn't it?

Yeah, but Organization was no less so, and perhaps even more so. The band have cited Joy Division as an influence on the album's moodier tracks.

The Psychedelic Furs' second album is certainly brighter and more glossy than their debut, but I still don't think it would fall under the umbrage of New Pop. Maybe Forever Now or Mirror Moves would, though.

Orange Juice seems to be a good pick. How about B.E.F ?

― D. Bachyrycz, Friday, 5 May 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

B.E.F.!!! YES!!! I love that first album of theirs. I got it a few years ago, liked it, filed it away, figured it would sit on my shelf forever but it came out again a few weeks back and I still love it. "Music To Listen To". What a clever title.

― honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

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― hank (hank s), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

"New Pop was either synthpop, new romantics or blue-eyed soul, I guess. Brits tend to divide music into a lot more different genres than the more radio formatting oriented Americans. "
-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), May 5th, 2006.

um, the way i understood it was that it defined something more along the lines of some of those waterboys singles ("whole of the moon") or some of the sounds later stuff ("golden soldiers"). you know, like a post punk band doing BIG sounding pop songs. to put it in obvious shallow terms like modern english or fuckin simple minds.

― corey c (shock of daylight), Sunday, 16 July 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

gang of four

― molly (bulbs), Sunday, 16 July 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

josef k/paul haig

― molly (bulbs), Sunday, 16 July 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

fireengines/win

― molly (bulbs), Sunday, 16 July 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

corey that is the first time i've seen your interpretation. geir's is much more in line with usual usage (*that i've seen on ILM anyway).

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Sunday, 16 July 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Nelly Furtado

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 16 July 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen the "New Pop" term used anywhere else than on ILM anyway, but it is still a good term (or at least it would have been if we were still in 1982)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 16 July 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

Christgau used in 1990. Simon Reynolds ran with it in his last book.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 16 July 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

The mid 80's British Magazine "The Hit" went so far as having a separate "New Pop" Chart, which included bands like Prefab Sporut, The Colourfield and The Cure.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 17 July 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

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