Subterranean Homesick Blues >>> Hip-Hop

-- fandango

OTM.

It all fits.

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roffles. I thought, "Colbert's imitating Geir again."

or he might just like it! i think his 'legacy' is safe without the help of LL. besides, playing LL Cool J to prove your relevence is a little counter-productive.

I haven't read your book, but do you also touch upon squaredance calling?...I have long seen that as pre-rap (of course, Malcom McLaren of all people made that same connection on Duck Rock)...

"What a bunch of hot-airs. It's a simple point. And it may be more about the technique of rapping than the genre of hip-hop--a foregrounding of "language" and "meaning" that exceeds melodic or formal tradition. The simple fact that rapping in music has reinvigorated the notion of "the poet" and particularly the sweet myth of the "urban Poet"..."of the streets" should be a clear reminder of similar romantic/populist notions from the 60's folk scene. Like it or not, what both Dylan and rap music have done is put "identity" in the words. Which is why it makes perfect sense that Dylan's own words would rarely be sampled. It would be acknowledging that "identity" is as borrowed and molded as anything else in popular music. The point is not who "invented" what. Dylan didn't "invent" anything. The fact that he conflated traditional american music--which is ambivalently black AND white--with beat and symbolist poetic traditions and made it wildly popular is just another example of what popular music has always done: mixed things up to create something over which people spend the next 50 years debating issues of authenticity. That's what powers all these blogging snobs who shiver at the thought of Dylan and something innately counterfeit (if not just overblown) about his cultural import. Dylan and hip hop culture in particular are way ahead of the snobs on this one: they know it's all counterfeit. It's the only way they're able to steal and mix so freely from the pot."

Now tear him apart!

of course.

On the other hand Dylan was Huge (however much hipsters like to pretend otherwise out of what seems like an excess of anti-rockism), so sure, he had some influence, maybe on the multi-level wordplay end more than the delivery. Put another way, did Hendrix have any influence on hip-hop? Because Dylan was certainly a primary influence on him. (Oh, and probably on Gil Scott Heron too.)

i agree with carl w. even if plenty of other of people/tradions led to it, the popular face was uncle bob. so he'll be thr touchstone. it may not be historically most correct, but this is a pop culture system were talking about.

chuck d has spoken about the influence of dylan several time that ive come across.

all and all, everything influneced hip-hop. thats why hip-hop can be so awesome. trying to draw lines is going to get you into one mess of a game of cats cradle.