Best no-wave INFLUENCED bands?

I think Sightings with their fusion of no wave to shoegazing to Mainliner to dance music is up there.

-- Jeff K (tekpo...), May 4th, 2006.

i think they're more English Post-Punk influenced...Gang Of Four, Killing Joke, Wire, various industrial stuff, but applied to the attack of hardcore.

I mean they had an early song called "Ride The No Wave" a few years before the Michigan/Florida revival had hit it's stride. Granted, Trumans Water were pretty hard to pigeon-hole into one distinct style but absolutely some of their songs would have full-on No Wave parts.

EN were contemporaries of no wave, though, n'est-ce pas?

Their drummer disagreed, but I heard an awful lot of DNA on a track or two from the Timber album, much of which is pretty good. Along the same lines, I think V-Effect were considered No Wave influenced up to a point...their album is often prety great.

Still not sure if US Maple really qualify, but if they do, they're the best.

And maybe God Is My Co-Pilot?

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seriously, they loved the contortions, no?

Pete Larson knew a lot of No Wave bands and was definitely influenced by them (though arguably ones like Destroy All Monsters more than NY No Wave). But the bredth of his music knowledge regarding that time is formidable.
(Also, it's always fun to see Tim as the other Bulb head on ILX...)

Who else? Lots mentioned upthread, Harry Pussy, Olneyville Sound System, To Live And Shave in LA, Magik Markers, Koenjihyakkei, Melt-Banana. All those Weasel Walter / Chicago projects - Luttenbachers, Lake of Dracula, Erase Errata, Scissor Girls.

Bands like Six Finger Satellite were more new wave / Big Black influenced - latebloomer's OTM re: BB as English postpunk tech-mechazoids. The nowave's there but it's once removed. It's like saying Iron Maiden was influenced by the blues.

Chuck, is that really you?

Coachwhips were better than Pussy Galore at the same game
Veronica Lipgloss and the Evil Eyes are very no-wave. My favorite record right now.

For late 80s stuff

Search: Dustdevils, yes indeed.
Search: Nice Stong Arm
Destroy: Band of Susans

actually, I'm no so into Live Skull, so YMMV

THANK YOU. I've been sitting here beating my head trying to remember their name, randomly googling to no avail. They are good.

Band of Susans, Live Skull, Sonic Youth, and Swans I have a hard time associating w/ no wave. I *know* they were listening to no wave and were informed by it, but their actual music is more muscular + sensual + sprawling than no wave was. There's some sonic demarcation between ALL the noise/pigfuck bands of the 80s and no wave, can't quite put my finger on it, though. As compared with, say Harry Pussy or The Flying Luttenbachers who clearly have no wave up the wazoo.

Mofungo has been mentioned, but it was over on the Rat At Rat R thread...

Coachwhips were better than Pussy Galore at the same game

Coachwhips were a weak fart, and Pussy Galore was a shit pie to the face. No conest here, really.

I see it in terms of Sonic Youth's range of influences as pretty broad vs. Harry Pussy's being narrow. Yeah, no wave was a primary one for SY, but hardcore, Branca/Chatham, free jazz, krautrock, 60s psychedelia were also in the mix. Harry Pussy's influences are almost singularly no wave - maybe some free jazz.

Japanese noise and a ton of hardcore are also in the mix. They were definitely children of the hardcore, free jazz, noise axis as embodied by Forced Exposure.

This metaphor is so awesome and appropriate, I retract my statement.

But I still like "You Gonna Get It" better than any single PG song.

Joy DIvision, no, Cramps, no, The Fall, no, Au Pairs, no, Shockabilly, maybe.

Saying Branca/Chatham were in also in the mix doesn't work when Branca/Chatham were key No Wave figures at the time.

I think, while it's hard for me to define, there is enough of a quality to no wave to make it not such a broad "any band that uses noise for noise's sake" thing.

Either Ann Rupel's vocals and David Zonzinsky's vocals and sax got squashed in the machinery somewhere or else their cheerful onstage chutzpah concealed chronic difficulties with breath production. Too bad--few bands anywhere make better rock and roll on the edge of artistic and political struggle. This may be because, as Zonzinsky likes to say, they're "leftist" rather than "political": their clarity of purpose helps them avoid the ingrown cacophony that their supposed comrades consider an improvement on programmatic oversimplification. B+

Japanese noise and a ton of hardcore are also in the mix. They were definitely children of the hardcore, free jazz, noise axis as embodied by Forced Exposure.

I guess I hear the distance from DNA/Mars -> Harry Pussy as a lot shorter than the distance between Hanatarash/Merzbow -> Harry Pussy. In fact, the first time I heard Harry Pussy, my immediate thought above all else was of No New York. I was like, hey, these guys are bringing back no wave!

wouldn't it make more sense to say Pere Ubu influenced No Wave and not the other way around?

I'm not sure in which direction this goes - I have to believe they were paying slavish attention to what was going on in NYC, and Red Transistor, Suicide, and Teenage Jesus & The Jerks were all gigging in '77. I had thought that the no wave influences from New York was what drove Pere Ubu away from the more trad-rock sounds of stuff like "30 Seconds Over Tokyo" and "Final Solution" (Rocket From The Tombs holdovers anyway) towards the weirdness of The Modern Dance in '78. I probably need to go back and listen to all this stuff again.

Saying Branca/Chatham were in also in the mix doesn't work when Branca/Chatham were key No Wave figures at the time.

I meant their guitar orchestra stuff, which rightly or wrongly I don't think of as no wave (Theoretical Girls/The Static, yeah that's no wave).

I think, while it's hard for me to define, there is enough of a quality to no wave to make it not such a broad "any band that uses noise for noise's sake" thing.

But my comments were following Chuck's logic - i.e. these are bands influenced by no wave that don't necessarily sound like no wave. No wave was fairly influential. Even if people didn't directly hear it, they were often hearing others who were influenced by it. Pussy Galore = The Fall + SPK / Einsturzende / Test Department + Rolling Stones. Where's the no wave influence?

Once removed, maybe. I bet there were a lot more Sonic Youth / Swans / Foetus records in Tod A's record collection than Arto Lindsay ones - at least ones with worn grooves.

Not a lot of no wave in there.

Welcome to the unwave. I haven't heard so much ferociously avant-garde and aggressively ugly music since Albert Ayler puked all over my brain back in - what? - 64. And like Ayler, who started at the end of his development and then started working his way backward (and eventually jumped into the Hudson River for a permanent swim), this music has no future. But it does have a vindictive present. It's a nihilistic burnt-out last blast of mangled energy that scours the spirit. Its cleansing power that is unreal - spend a few hours with this record and then everything sounds different.

The spirit scourers are four New York underground rock groups - Contortions, Teenage Jesus and The Jerks, Mars, and D.N.A. - each represented by four selections. The lyrics of each song are textbook surrealistic (yes, there's a lyric sheet, printed in late Beckett blocked paragraphs, and for some reason they're on the inside of the record sleeve so you have to rip the sleeve apart to get at em) and the music of each group falls somewhere between Velvet Underground electric and Loft Jazz sound and silence seminars. But the lyrics (almost all of 'em unintelligible without the lyric sheet) and the music (with its avant-garde conventions) ain't where the excitement lies on this album. It's the uses of voice which give the record its apocalyptic ambiance and each group its individual face.

And a bizarre collection of faces they are. Contortions is fronted by James Chance, whose vocals are unrelentingly jacked up to shouting level, the words of his exhortation lost in his open-throated approach. The effect is numbing. The trio of Jerks are led by Lydia Lunch who plays a droning lead guitar and favors a whooping (as in whoo-OOPA) vocal inflection. Listening to her is about as pleasant as being kicked in the stomach. Mars has your typical Martian chipmunks suspended in jelly sound while D.N.A., the most conservative of the four, is somewhat reminiscent of Eno, who produced the album. It all amounts to a solid statement of no-ness which shakes the listener's complacency and (this is important) gives you something new to think about. Still...what do they do for an encore?

If you're intrepid enough to want to hear this stuff (a friend, 3/4 into the first side, complained that the music was painful - she wasn't referring to any abstract reaction, she was grimacing), be advised that Antilles is a division of Island Records, which ain't exactly Transamerica Corp. You'll probably have to make a little effort to procure it, because there's no way it's going to come to you.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rhys.chatham/Essay_1970-90.html#myow

What was the first no wave band? TJ & The Jerks? What's the first wave's end point?

Notekillers are weird - contemporaneous but removed. IIRC they had little to no contact w/ the NYC crowd?

Glenn Branca in Theoretical Girls article, circa 79 or so. I think Jeffrey thought of the Theoretical Girls as simply a ROCK band, albeit with certain classical/avant garde influences as well as punk influences.

Notekillers played some show with the Feelies in NY. There's a flyer on their website.

A couple months into our hiatus we got a call from Ed Bahlman (owner of 99 records - the label that put out the Bush Tetras, Liquid Liquid and the first couple of Glenn Branca recordings.) saying that he loved our record and wanted to bring us up to New York. We ended up playing NYC a few times (Hurrah/CB’s/Maxwells/etc.), but unfortunately by that time we were pretty burned out. Too many years of intense playing met by intense antipathy mixed with inter- (and inner) personal problems. So sometime in 1981 we broke up in frustration and disappointment figuring that we had accomplished next to nothing.

- David First on The Notekillers + NYC

Okay, sorry to veer off course. Back to the discussion.

BTW- Japanese noise dudes def took a lot of their feedback sensibilities from no wave.

What can you dudes tell me about Circle X?

the circle x that got a reish on dexter's cigar was neat-o scratchy shouty dour noir plod punk.
the reunion stuff.hmm - go listen to it. not keen.
no-wave was a journalistic confection with no definitive stylistic or attitudinal characteristic.
"Red Alert" is the name of a teenage jesuus n th ejrks song, but it's also an english language phrase meaning "emergency situation" which would be more widely known than xyz blah.
is the basement jaxx song "red alert" a teeneg jesus tribute?
high rise took more influence from motorhead & the MC5.
stretchheads were more to do with speeding up the "c86" / "shambling" sound of bogshed / a.witness / noseflutes, or extremitificating big flame & the fire engines.
palais schaumburg were on their own tip, emerging from NDW mit Der Plan, SYPH, Malaria, DAF, Luxus, boss & beusi etc.
there were other ways to synthesize punk funk dada & whatever into music without ever having heard "no wave" there's a lot of historical (happy) coincidence.

someone'll be telling me this heat were a don king tribute act

laddio bolocko straight THIS HEAT rip.
never heard any "no wave" in em
love'em to bits despite that.
god is my co-pilot were everything that everyone told me DNA were supposed to be.
wild jittery sexy spastic fun. as much half japanese as DNA but Messrs Fair Jickling Rieder etc were mucking in at very given opportunity. GIMCP should be fondly remembered. at their peak, simultaneously blistering & ticklish

not enough funk & dub in mention. everybody goes w harsh, spazzy antirock (which is to say rock) noise, not enough w the contortions, bush tetras, dance music like early material. i always figured that one elbow of the no wave shared table space w liquid liquid & ESG.

daffy catch-all innit?
Ted Milton (BLURT):
"I'm not really sure what new wave means... ah no wave, new wave... like those American people James Chance and the Contortions. When we first had a record out and a reviewer mentioned James Chance and also mentioned Captain Beefheart, neither of whom I had heard of, I went down to the record shop and listened to them and thought, fuck, that's a drag - because I could see the connection straight away."

i don't think kousokuya would've been influenced by no-wave at all - prob more by les rallizes denudes & fushitsusha (who took influence from les rallizes denudes, as well as being way their own thing) & black sabbath & VU. could never stand the guitarist's vibrato in kousokuya

GIMCP should be fondly remembered. at their peak, simultaneously blistering & ticklish

real talk

Yeah I have been seeking out a bunch of the funk/dub influenced no wave stuff lately myself. Stuff like Lizzie Mercier Descloux, Gaznevada, The Dance, A Certain Ratio, alongside the 99 Records and On-U Sound stuff that was also drawing from a lot of the same ideas. That's how I've been getting into stuff like Circle X, and Blurt...

how would you tell if mouthus (for example) took more influence from metal box & b.parmegiani / cab voltaire & popol vuh / amrep & afx than "no new york", without asking them?
if you plug in guitars & drums without having heard any o that you could approximate something similar, the "hear my song" urge being occasionally wild & woolly like it is.
a little wishful inference at play ITT

(my last post was an xp to contenderizer, my bad)

Uh, what?

http://dorian-sred.itch.io/no-wave

Guerilla Toss, Gay Disco: exuberant, challenging music for dancing in your lungs, head, all moving parts. Go see 'um.

They do evoke: Magic Band (the female vocalist doesn't sound like Beefie), Contortions, 70s/early 80s electric Ornette (who used disco-rock etc. beats, often enough), but no idea what they've actually listened to--just seems like natural acts.