Since the electronic /dance revolution of 1988 there has been no excuse for anyone with any creativity to be involved in the sad world of (electric-guitar orientated) rock. Discuss

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well has there?

harbourlights (harbourlights), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

what about piano rock?

gear (gear), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

not everyone grew up in London or Berlin, you know. try going clubbing in Palmerston North, NZ and see how it grabs you.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

someone needs to make the music for the electronic artists to sample. but seriously, the notion that the 1988 revolution was a clean break is purist to the point of foolish. Music is a fluid exchange.

Joshua Glazer (matthewcampari), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

Some creative people who are songwriters work best on guitar.

Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 15 May 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

DUMB.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

SINCE THE ADVENT OF THE HAM SANDWICH (C. 18TH CENTURY) THERE HAS BEEN NO EXCUSE FOR ANYONE WITH ANY CREATIVITY TO MAKE OR EAT A SAD BOWL OF (CREAM-BASED OR CLEAR) SOUP. DISCUSS.

DISCUSS, DAMN YOU!

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

My own neanderthal musical tastes aside, I have to note that dance/electronica heads I know admit to being extremely bored and jaded with what's coming out in their field for the last few years. Is it really so much better?

Soukesian, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

someone needs to make the music for the electronic artists to sample.

Try listening to a contemporary piece of dance music, broseph.

The statement is pretty dumb. Though it is somewhere near having a point. For a variety of reasons the continuing ubiquity of 4 or 5 casually dressed white guys with tousled hair and guitars is a bit vexing.

jimnaseum doesn't like the cut of your jib, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

The continuing ubiquity of a lot of things is vexing. Continuing ubiquity is, by its nature, vexing -- nobody thinks of anything they like as being part of a "continuing ubiquity".

And I'd say the faceless likes of Britney Spears are a good bit more ubiquitous, and (somehow) a good bit more continuing, than most things that could be classified as "rock".

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

For a variety of reasons the continuing ubiquity of 4 or 5 casually dressed white guys with tousled hair and guitars is a bit vexing.

Fuck appearances, the sound of electronic music is a bit vexing. And, anyway, what's so much better about a bald white guy or some "urban"-looking douche with a trendy hat?

jibba jabba, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

dance music hasn't been bald or urban for a decade

lf (lfam), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

and when you combine them all...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/profiles/images/rem_main.jpg

gear (gear), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

worst thread premise ever?

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

artistic expression throws tantrum, says you're not the boss of me

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it's not bald and urban? Really, what is it now then? Because it still is, doofus.

jibba jabba, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

gay and german

gear (gear), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah and the germans are urban and half of them are bald or with short little haircuts, as if the gay germans are the full spectrum, anyway.

jibba jabba, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

dykey and rural wisconsiny

gear (gear), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

Dance music does not date well at all. It's good for a week (ooh, neat sounds!) and then you have to wait 10 years before the kitschiness of it makes it fun again. For another week.

badonga donga, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.final-groove.de/images/News/Wighnomy_Brothers_klein.JPG

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

dykey and rural wisconsiny

right up there with dj harry.

pair of scissors, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

There was a dance music revolution in 1988? Is that like the revolution in 1968 that turned the world into a socialist paradise?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

haha i totally agree with the thread premise!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's ALLLLL sad, yo.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, it's all a bit limp at the moment. Too corporate.

registered ratty (registered ratty), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

disco still sucks

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

ramon OTM

and jibba, if you think that effete well-dressed german men are urban then i envy your urban areas.

lf (lfam), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

Since the sound film revolution of 1927 there has been no excuse for anyone with any creativity to be involved in the sad world of (stage orientated) theatre. Discuss

fez (fez), Monday, 15 May 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, exactly. It's like saying that since the invention of photography, painting and drawing and illustration should have withered away and died. It's not that simple.

I Was Wrong, That Don't Mean You Were Right (kate), Monday, 15 May 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

photography and film are at least different mediums from painting and the stage so, in fact, the question is even more ridicluous.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

nothing will ever beat physically bashing out some sounds from guitars/drums etc... it dosn't need to be boring cookie cutter crap.

Shaun Leacy (cassettessac), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

the most ridiculous part is "1988"

now if that'd read "1972" ...

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Did the invention of the electric guitar cause acoustic instruments to disappear? I don't think so.

I Was Wrong, That Don't Mean You Were Right (kate), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

zebeedee, 40-year-old English clubbers are very important and we must follow their interpretation of history slavishy

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

But... why 1988 specifically? That seems very... precise, doesn't it? The only person I can think of who switched from electric guitars to electronic backing tracks in that particular year was Amelia Fletcher. And look how that turned out...

Ah, fuck it. I'm going to go eat some soup.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

ok, so lex is on board, but where's dj martian?

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

God, I used to believe this. A few problems with the thesis is...

A) The closer you look at the so-called revolution (like most cultural events) the less it truly was a watershed. Electronic music of that kind stretches back before then and in '88 it wasn't clear that this was the future, more another reinvention of 80s club culture. If it isn't a revolution, why the need to take sides? I'd also agree with Reynold's argument in Blissed Out, that the late 80s saw a very vibrant crop of artists using rock.

What's more I'd argue that in the late 90s, dance music's belief in its own progressiveness weighed it down just as rock once had, leading to a lack of innovation. In the 90s you didn't get new records every year. You got new genres (and I think it's too redunctionist to simply say these were media inventions). This had to stop and indeed did (for a while).

I do remember during the time when dance seemed to flounder (generally - there's always shoots of life but there were, I would argue less around) buying the Sonic Mook Experiment Volume 2 and being so refreshed by the simple dumb fun of the music, which had been lacking from much of electronic music increasingly.

B) The same technological changes that affected electronic music also influenced guitar music - it is possible to make guitar music that is new and innovative because new technologies made it possible. At the same time, dance music's aesthetic gave new paths to creativity in guitar music. Post-rock is a good example, as is Radiohead.

C) The guitar as an instrument simply still hasn't been exhausted. Every time I tend to think so, I'm generally proved wrong. Your argument is like saying there's no point dealing with acoustic guitars one the electric one has been invented.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

omg this is like saying there's no need for custard now we have naan bread!!

someone think of another one!

fuck custard!

justsomegalyknowhangingaroundthebusshelfter, Monday, 15 May 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

...I'm not eating any desserts you make with that argument!

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

no, really, what was the electronic/dance revolution of 1988?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

the acid house explosion in the UK.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.securecrazydiamond.com/dizq/29535.jpg

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Monday, 15 May 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

why doenst electromic/dance ponces never wants to rock?

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

My hair stylist (really not much to style--I have been getting the same haircut for maybe a decade now) moved to a new salon again, so I went there for the first time this Saturday. They were playing house in the background. At first I was sitting there thinking, "I always say I hate house, but then I hear some while I'm out and it's okay. . . Look, I'm kind of tapping my feet to this. This is not bad." But by the time my haircut was finished, I was really getting sick of it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you still have that ubiquitous hair? Get creative, man.

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

then what happened?

XP

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Then I went home and danced to the new Michael Stuart CD (salsa).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Acid house in the UK was a revolution? How come Detroit Techno or Chicago House or Electro or anything else werent "revolutions"?

Period period period (Period period period), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

xp: Good point, Fez. There must be way better stuff than Isolee or Vitalic out there, I don't doubt that. (And actually, I kind of love Wir Sind Helden. I need to hear more stuff like that. But that still doesn't negate all the exciting guitar rock that I still *do* hear.)

xhuxk, Monday, 15 May 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

electronic-wise, rap music on the radio still riles and excites me like almost nothing else. year in and year out. when i heard "stay fly" on the radio for the first time i almost jumped out of the car. THAT was my vision of future-pop come to life. or one of my visions. i have a lot of visions.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

all that kompakt stuff, once i heard it, blew my mind in a big way. and that's just one label. i can really only afford to follow one label at a time at current prices. and it blew my mind in a way that no other stuff, other than metal, has in a long time. willowtip -vs- kompakt.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

vocodered guitars, my friend, vocodered guitars.

a technical innovation /= a real musical innovation. the medium is not the message, not any more.

can we plz compare recent dance 12"es with rock 12"es now?


that's not what i'm interested in doing fez (you seem to think i'm on the dance=innovative side of this which i'm not).

i hear lots of good stuff which excites me but as far as innovation goes i'm having to go back in time (and into areas other than rock and dance mostly) to find that.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Excitement is where you find it all, surely. And I gotta admit, there seems to be an assumption at work on this thread where 'excitement' is predicated around something with a lot going on it rather than a little (a lot of stuff that gets my attention these days is extremely minimal -- not in the microhouse sense per se, I mean it's not hitting me over the head hyperactively going "WE'RE EXCITING!" a la Rip Taylor).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I found the Kompakt stuff comforting. Sounded really nice in the background. But I hear country records that jar me more all the time.

"Stay Fly" is great; so is "Poppin' My Collar". But after six months, I still haven't gotten through that fucking album. That's my big problem with hip-hop these days -- Trudging through those 20-song monstrosities is *work*, not fun, especially when, half the time, you have to dig under vocals and lyrics that just get in the way to find the potential future-of-pop beats underneath (not saying that's the case with those particular 3-6 songs, though.) I always figure that there will be a handful of songs I'll like a lot on the Juvenile album, or the Dem Franchize Boyz album, or the E-40 album, or the T.I. album, or the Cam'ron album, or (okay, I'm gonna be toally blasphemous now) the Ghostface album, but it takes me so long to dig through all the useless shit I just give up. (And right, that's partly *my* problem, but it's also a problem with the 20-song monstrosities.) (Mix "tapes" are better and worse because, sure, they often have a few songs that jump out and sound good, but often the songs have nothing to do with each other, and the rest usually sounds inconsequential. So does that means it's a good mixtape or a bad one?) (And all that said, I put Lil Wayne and Mannie Fresh in my top ten last year. I LIKE hip-hop now, just don't love it. Same goes with electronica -- I have nothing *against* the stuff. It's fine.)

xhuxk, Monday, 15 May 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

the medium is not the message, not any more.

what i mean to say is that 10-15 years ago it was kind of a given that people working in the electronic genre (medium) were being more innovative that rock musicians (or so it seemed to me at the time). now though, vocodering a guitar is no more interesting to me (in itself) than using a computer or playing a harp. no medium has the upper hand in terms of innovation now.

i've heard so much good music recently but the innovative stuff i have heard has been by Robert Ashley and Dave Behrman and James Tenney (and some of that is over 30 years old).

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

a lot of stuff that gets my attention these days is extremely minimal

oh yes me too. i forgot about alva.noto and especially alva.noto with Ryichi Sakamoto. that was another thing that made my jaw drop. also The Necks' "Mosquito".

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ryuichi.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

xp (Actually, more like 10 months, probably. When did 3-6's CD come out? (And, I mean, I've *played* the damn album; just haven't been able to give a shit listening to it. I always end up with "Why am I expending so much time and effort with this thing? I didn't used to have to do that with hip-hop. And sure, people selling drugs and killing each other {or whatever they're rapping about; what do 3-6 rap about again, once you get past the stuff about staying fly and popping collars?} is interesting, but not *that* interesting, for Crissakes. If I need that stuff, I'll just watch a DVD of *The Wire*.) (Ha ha, in this morning's Times, Kelefah mentioned a new Cam'ron song about irritable bowel syndrome, then asked "Sorry, you were saying you wanted rappers to rap about something different, for a change?" Funny. But hey, I can kinda *relate* to I.B.S., you know?)

xhuxk, Monday, 15 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

that's why i listen to rap on the radio. sounds great in bite-sized nuggets.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have the same feelings w/r/t hip-hop. Maybe I could get into metal too if I knew what were the concise & to-the-point albums :/

fandango (fandango), Monday, 15 May 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

revolutions are social

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Just wanted to shout huzzahs at everything xhuxk has said upthread. Reminds me, does anybody - ANYBODY - enjoy the rampant unfunny little tween-song skits on hip-hop albums?

Jason Toon (Jason Toon), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I have always wanted someone to compile the ultimate 72 minute CDR that is *just* skits from hip hop albums, with little sub-themes, like "just the bitchy ex-girlfriend on the answering machine", or "food" or "gambling" etc.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Drew, sounds like you have a plan. :-) (I mean, you ARE going to need to detox from finishing your PhD somehow. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

The trouble with ripping the skits is that savvy mastering folks define them as "pre-cues", i.e. little digital zones that aren't indexed with a track number that your CD drive sees, so they are often in a technical non-place zone between songs, flowing out of the end of the previous song but not indexed as such- I would have to lovingly digitize each one. But you're right, what else is my life for . . . the Matmos album is out, the diss is written, and my little ones have left the nest . .. .

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

i was always gonna make a tape of nothing but the a capella versions of rap songs that you find on 12 inches. but i never got around to it. will smith's gettin' jiggy with it is an entirely different song without the music.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

PLEASE MAKE THAT TAPE

lf (lfam), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

i 2nd that emotion

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

I very rarely dig skits, but it does happen. its all Prince Paul's fault, basically.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of cool guitars out there that ought to be used to make new fantastic rock music like for instance the Ovation Preacher (as recently discussed on the I Make Music board):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/Pawlie/Music%20Equipment/Ovationpreacher.jpg

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I can't think of ANY music that's really riled me up and confused me lately

Wolfmother riled me up, or maybe rather the meme that is Wolfmother riled me up. But I wasn't confused and I could dance to "Love Train."

As for the Ovation Preacher, we also have to mention it's Josh Homme's favorite guitar.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

isn't the real question "why didn't 303 have the same or greater impact on music as electric guitars did?"

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

No.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Since the dance dance revolution of 1998 there has been no excuse for anyone with any creativity to be involved in the sad world of (hand-held controller orientated) rock. Discuss

hugaboo (space hard), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

The main reason to involve is that after the dance revolution of 1988, finding proper melodic songs with an electronic backing is harder.

Which means I have listened to a lot more guitar oriented music after the hip-hop revolution than I did during most of the 80s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Just dropped over from the Last.fm thread, and looking at the charts at Last.fm, it's kinda depressing that it's ALL guitar rock, and I'm hardly a poppist. Gorillaz at 8, Madonna at 56 but, Kanye West a few below that. Maybe it's that Last.fm is too slanted to those affluent enough to always be online. Or maybe this prove the point of the thread- dance and hip hop have too many active artists to congregate around specific artists, while guitarish music has ossified down to a few stars.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

There is no more guitar rock in the Last.fm list than the amount of R&B and hip-hop in the Billboard Top 40.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

The main reason to involve is that after the dance revolution of 1988, finding proper melodic songs with an electronic backing is harder.

I think you missed the joke in the post you're replying to, and I'm not sure what you mean. There are plenty of people making melodic pop music that makes heavy use of electronic or other non-guitar accompaniments.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Drew, I think most rippers will just lump these "non-zones" as the ends of the previous tracks.

I know that one debut major label CD by A Guy Called Gerald did that, and after ripping it, this was the case.

This was AudioGrabber though. Other software may act differently.

DOQQUN (donut), Monday, 15 May 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Goldberg, are you new here? i think you'll learn to stop responding to geir.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

R&B tracks currently in the billboard top 40: 26.
Guitar bands current in the last.fm top 40: 40.

lol wrong norwegian

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

There are plenty of people making melodic pop music that makes heavy use of electronic or other non-guitar accompaniments.

Today, yes. In 1990 they weren't a lot. At least not in the charts. Depeche Mode, Erasure and Pet Shop Boys. And that was it, basically.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Where do EMF, Utah Saints, and Jesus Jones fit into all this?

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

AHEAD OF BLACK PEOPLE.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

There is retro fetish in electronic music just as much as any guitar music, they are just obsessed with the sounds of Moog, Oberheim and Roland synths, analog filters, 808/909 drums, Fender Rhodes and old breaks off of records.

If some different sound comes catches on like software granular synththesis or using found sounds, within a few months there are scads of bedroom producers doing the exact same thing. I think all of these copy cats are why some producers just end up fading away and never putting anything else out or have to completely drop their sound and start over to keep going.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Earl that "There is retro fetish in electronic music just as much as any guitar music" (you could add the soul-diva cliches of house vocals while you're at it, or New York's hip-hop's tendency to believe that "keeping it real" means sounding like New York hip-hop records did five or ten years ago), but I'm not sure why "trying to sound like music used to sound" should be considered any more of a "fetish" than "trying to make music that sounds like music never did before." There's a fetish of newness-for-its-own-sake too, in other words, and it can be just as self-defeating as the retro one (and 99 times out of 100, the resulting music doesn't sound anywhere near as new as its creator wants us to think it does).

xhuxk, Monday, 15 May 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

the last time i was at my hairdressers they played Wir Sind Helden! then i went home and danced to Welt In Scherben! true story!!

yay for happy endings!!

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

how do i sound date

lf (lfam), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

"keeping it real"

This phrase is deserving of its own thread. I think this phrase has, in certain ways, stilted music creativity across all genres, whether in a retro context, or in a bleeding-edge context.

DOQQUN (donut), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Not that music creativity is the implied goal of every artist... but I was speaking about that phrase regarding music creativity's potential specifically, and most importantly, the reactions to it, which do have an effect, from a market standpoint.

DOQQUN (donut), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Where do EMF, Utah Saints, and Jesus Jones fit into all this?

Jesus Jones, OK. And to some extent EMF (except their songs had bad and repetitive melodies). Utah Saints were not at all melodic, other than sampling, which doesn't count.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Btw neither Jesus Jones nor Jesus Jones sounded electronic. Way too many el. guitar samples.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is not right. Electric guitar is one of the most versatile sounding instruments, and it can sound SOOO GOOOD.

The problem is the stupid bands out there like WOLFMOTHER that have no creativity whatsoever and do not use the guitar to its full potential, or to any potential. They mimick the sounds of led zep with their les pauls but the sad reality is that led zep sounded better than that anyway.. the rawness of the guitar is lost in todays mixes by todays mix engineers and it all sounds fuzzy and the same. so yes, i agree with this thread topic, all that 'retro rock' is nonsense, boring and for some reason loved by the plebs. but let them be plebs, im not complaining. holdsworth, metheny, even van halen.... their recordings still exist and make ME happy and i'm happy with that.

lovethefrench (lovethefrench), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

a)us maple fantasy
b)mobb deep fantasy
c)sonic youth fantasy zone*

these are barely touched.

*ok, this hase been somewhat charted, but it's still a newborn baby/

flirt with new language! build a lego palace

mono tony, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps the best thread title ever.

astronautagogo (astronautagogo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Where do EMF, Utah Saints, and Jesus Jones fit into all this?

-- QuantumNoise (heavy_music2000@

They would fit quite nicely into a deep dark pit, as far away from me as possible.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Also roflol @ "the electronic /dance revolution of 1988"!! Buncha weekly inky journalists so deperate to be on the cutting edge of "teh n00 punk" + buncha k-lame brit indie bands so lacking in ideas & skillz that abject surrender to the "new" thing was the only option they could see = a "revolution", har,/ fuck that.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Btw neither Jesus Jones nor Jesus Jones sounded electronic. Way too many el. guitar samples.

But what about Jesus Jones?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)


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