Anyway, the Girls Aloud piece is done by ILM's favourite music writer, Alex S. Petridish, and is the usual puff-piece with some PRETENSIONS TO CULTURAL COMMENTARY, it's not a bad read to be honest for what it is.
At one point, Al shows GA a blog review of Chemistry "that reads like a protracted entry in Pseud's Corner. He is so moved by the futuristic pop of "Racey Lacey" and "Long Hot Summer" that he quotes Plato, Wilde, and Racine, and compares the album to both As You Like It and Catherine Millet's pornographic memoir La Vie Sexuelle De Catherine M"
"Cheryl... is forthright in her opinion. "Worra load of fuckin' shite. He sounds mental".
Now, to google we go!
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22girls+aloud%22+chemistry+racine+plato&btnG=Search&meta=
Ding ding ding: http://cookham.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_cookham_archive.html
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)
The funniest thing is that Petridis is asking Cheryl Tweedy who was, frankly guaranteed to say that, as opposed to asking Brian Higgins who would (probably) have gleefully agreed with everything Marcello had to say. Purely to boost his own reputation if nothing else.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)
yes, and you need to start working a little harder on the offensive boards, chief....we're not getting nearly enough easy put-backs if we want to contend down the stretch in the playoffs....
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)
Out of the mouths of babes...
― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)
Somehow we now need to get Marcello interviewing Brian Higgins and discussing the GQ piece. Anyone have xenomania's contact info?
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)
I'd like to think, though, that he's using it to illustrate the best thing about writing about pop (well, what i think is the best thing anyway): what Cheryl Tweedy thinks about what M Carlin writes doesn't matter, what Brian Higgins thinks about what M Carlin writes doesn't matter. They don't own what Girls Aloud means, their opinion about Girls Aloud is... okay maybe as valid as a consumer's, but certainly not any more. M Carlin, and us lot, aren't involved in the early-stage construction of Girls Aloud, only the later-stage bit where Girls Aloud finally takes shape in our minds - there'd be something awfully hollow and unsatisfying about it if what we individually end up seeing is just what was originally intended. (which I'm why I'm glad Petridis didn't ask Higgins: it would be horrible disappointing if he did agree with Carlin, 'yes that was what i meant all along'.) I mean, this just seems like common sense to me?
― permanent revolution (cis), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)
also, is this surprising? marcello's shtick has always been b*n w*tsonish in that regard. i'd pay to read about what tweedy thinks about lots of music tho, maybe even more than marcello (simply because i've read less tweedy than marcello) and what she thinks obv. matters, not least becuz it gets to affect what she gets to make and sell by the bucketload, which is more than most of us can claim.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)
― astronautagogo (astronautagogo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Aaron A, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)
MARCELLO DON'T POST ON THIS THREAD, JUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)
Having said that, viewing Girls Aloud as some kind of high-cultural art-pop project is all very well, but when it leads to them releasing bloody "Models" of all things as a single (I bet it misses the top 10), you wonder if the people that insist on the inclusion of bland-by-comparison but unit-shifting ballads as singles (that ensure that more albums get made with the quasi-avant pop-art on them) don't know more than the rest of us combined.
I love Marcello's diversions and allusions, because pop IS like a web where everything connects and can be contextualised in this way and while I'm not in Marcello's league, that's what I've always tried to do as a writer.
― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)
Cheers, Pet!!
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)
Also, what's wrong with 'Models'?
― BARMS, Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)
― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago)
― The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:53 (nineteen years ago)
― seen your pic now and know you're an ugly cunt, Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)
― The Notorious ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)
(M.C. was also obliquely referred to in a Sunday Times piece on Rachel Stevens as well if I remember rightly, and sorta dissed in the same way. Fuck these people and their lack of ambition.)
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)
ladies and gentlemen the dream we all dream of
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)
Don't be so silly, Henry. I'd be tempted to say this is a Margaret Hodge/BNP situation but that comparison would be unfortunate.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)
It makes him a shitty writer, which is what he's being criticised for.
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)
he's not *that* bad. he's not caroline sullivan.
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)
How narrowly does that spiral spin?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)
Um, EVERYONE on this thread (board?) wants his job cos we all secretly (or not so secretly) really really really wanna be in the cool-boys-Guardian-"journalists-writing-about-journalists"-club?
I'd love to be Guardian's music editor. I'd also hate it, but there you go. What salary's he on, and for what? One lead review a week and three articles a month?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)
that's right dad!
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)
(also, I realise that this argument is all slightly warped by the effets of learned response...to some extent, our ears are taught from an early age that minor keys are sad, fast songs are happier, etc. Which I think is the basic reason these 'coincidental' relationships between intent and effect are so surprisinly common).
ding! so, not really surprising!
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)
― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
(sorry)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
guiding the music policy of a major national paper
But surely AP does not do this in any way? I presume that the Guardian's music policy is at least as much driven by advertisers, and by cross-media sponsorship deals with radio / tv / festivals etc. Isn't the GMG really into that side of things? It looks from here like one of the least glamorous jobs in existence.
― alext (alext), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)
EITHER/OR?
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)
ts interviewing famous musicians vs operating machine tools for nike
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)
My way or the highway! :-)
― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)
― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)
There's also a reason people pick "One" for wedding first dances and it rather obviously doesn't have anything to do with lyrical content!
― Dan (I've Seen This Happen, Too) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (Oh, Americanpaws) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)
― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (WUV) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)
I was sure Dan was talking about the Metallica song here.
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), May 18th, 2006.
hahaha brilliant.
― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)
Instead you chose other Depeche Mode songs. Oh wait. *runs away*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)
(also she's the one you can rely on to be mouthy and sweary)
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)
something which to my knowledge CERTAIN WEBSITES have not been!!!
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)
DO YOU SEE???
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)
That wasn't our first dance! And anyway it was the DJ who wanted to play "Master And Servant", not us.
― Dan (TANGO TANGO TANGO) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)
one would expect, what with them being human beings and all!
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)
The racist, the miserable one, and the other three.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)
indie boys don't have personalities indie boys have the same personality and it is a shit one
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)
being in girls aloud = far more of a dream job than being grau music editor!
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)
Some indie boy broke Lex's heart and he still hasn't gotten over it, methinks.
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)
Neil Hannon's first wedding dance was to "One", he said something along the lines of "it's harsh truth" or something in an interview. Creepy!
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)