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news to strike fear into the hearts of...those who are convinced this band can do no right...

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

of course, there's always been a dance element to their music.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

who cares...?

― youth problem (YouthProblem), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think we already had a thread where we talked about how fantastic "Supermassive Black Hole" is (answer: utterly).

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Not with a title like that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard it yet? it's brilliant. it's like Matt Whatsisface listened to some Brainiac and then went "hey wait, I have a pretty creepy falsetto, too; why aren't I doing sexy robot electro-funk?"

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

(and I can only assume that the title is at least slightly tongue-in-cheek. I have to assume it, for the sake of my sanity)

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

this is still good news, though; I'd heard that the new album would have a bunch of different styles on it, so I was worried that every song besides the one I heard would just be a variation on the typical shitty Muse sound.

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

They do put in a lot of effort this band, but it's the kind of exertion that makes me think of constipation :|

I've only heard the back end of this one but it hardly seemed that good. Nowhere close to the Britney comparison.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Pavement was once said to be a Fall knock-off. Muse have long surpassed being a Radiohead knock-off, if they ever were one. People need to recognize. Muse is a feeling.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

A stirring, like in the bowels.

Muse are a classic case of trying too hard.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

(And as it stands, this new 'electropop' direction = "Ah, so Muse 2006 wants to be Placebo 2000. Amusing.")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

i LOVED 'unintended' back in 1998. still sounds great.

― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ned Raggett is classic case of trying too hard.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Well all I want is to just be free
Live my life the way I wanna be
All I want is to just have fun
Live my life like it's just begun
But you're pushin' too hard
Pushin' too hard on me (too hard)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

TSeeds vs. Muse?

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Muse sucks.

― astronautagogo (astronautagogo), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Throwing Muses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.fiu.edu/~morriss/backgrounds/infinite3.gif>>>>>>>>>>>> Muse

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

SUPERB. i cannot wait to hear this. i love and adore muse, and all their overblown nonsensical ways. electro-muse can only RULE.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I love the typical shitty Muse sound.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

The last song has a horse on it.

OMG they've gone experimental microhorse.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahaha.

their overblown nonsensical ways

See, grimly, theoretically I *should* love this, sez the Pumpkins/Placebo/Numan etc. fan. There's a beauty in the obvious at many points. ;-) But Muse are just dullards, man, and the new single does nothing to change that -- forget all the nonsense the original link was going on about, it's clear their model was "Holy crap, the Stereophonics got some credibility with 'Dakota,' we need something similarly half-hip."

Anyway, the only Muse review that matters.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

"SuperMassive Black Hole" IS classic electropop. However, from what I've heard of the rest of the album, it's not completely representative. Some of it is fantastic, though - and yer average Muse fan will hate it....

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

I am in complete agreement with Ned.(apart from placebo being good obviously)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Knights Of Cydonia (The Ennio Morricone One With the Horse On It) (except it's a live version so lacks the horse)

Live version, mods, don't panic about the YSI

And Ned, the Stereophonics??? Get outta here!!

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Muse are concerned about credibility (with critics) any more than Nine Inch Nails or someone like that... they're popular.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

And Ned, the Stereophonics??? Get outta here!!

I like 'em about as much! (IE, not very. ;-))

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

fandango hits the nail on the head.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to get a t-shirt that says "I'm the only Muse fan in the village".

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, I gotta disagree, Tracer. They strike me as being not so much like NIN as being like Bush -- a band who at their peak reflexively, self-defensively tried to shrug off all the bad press even when they dropped just enough hints that they read every scrap.

But really this is expending too much thought on them from my end. Maybe I'll just conclude that they make the Darkness seem interesting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

we Brits can still rockmetal a thing you know!! l@@K pyrotechnics & ironic hair!

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're lumping them in with rubbish Britrock like the Stereos, Travis etc Ned, perhaps on the basis of the singles. The Radiohead (voice, the fact that 'Citizen Erased' has the same structure as 'Paranoid Android' and is 7 minutes long) and Queen (erm, voice, overblown production) comparisons are also *really* lazy IMHO.

I sense I'm kicking against the current here though, so I'll stop :)

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Stand up for what yer like, sir! It's good to fight your corner. (Just recognize the opposite point of view exists. ;-) )

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

This is a tremendously good single. They are thus forgiven for not releasing a massive dance remix of "Endlessly" as a single off their last album.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

This is so terrible to announce, but the researchis in and Ned is wrong here--Muse is the only UK band that matters, because they so grandly don't matter and with falsettos even.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 19 May 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, they're the only people with songwriting skills and melodrama enough to write Bohemian Rhapsody if Freddie hadn't. And they would have made it *serious*, which is just adorable.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 19 May 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

The mere mention upthread of Brainiac in relation to that new Muse song has just given my poor hungover at-work brain an aneurysm. wtf..
Ned completely OTM.

― Jon Benet Taxidermy (piratestyle), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

this news is disgusting, obviously.

i note that the news comes to us via racistjustice. i did not click on the link (for much the same reasons as i would not click on a link to the aryan nation website) so do not know the details, but i take everything that site says with a big pinch of salt. ie, they really are desperate to avoid acknowledging black people in pop, aren't they?

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I was shocked to learn recently that a lot of people still really like electroclash or whatever it's called.

All the singles from Muse's last record are really good, and that's pretty much what I expect from the next one.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

The single is frickin great. It's the best stripper music I've heard in ages.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

OTM.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/engineeringlab/paint-stripping-heat-gun.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard the whole album tonight bar one song. I think I said above that "...Black Hole" wasn't representative of the album - I withdraw that comment immediately. Think New Order, Depeche Mode, a bit of NIN. Still a tad too much Rachmaninov though :)

Bizarrely, as I was driving over to hear it, some tool on Radio 1 played "Knights of Cydonia" and described it as 'what Beethoven would've sounded like if he'd been alive today'. Gibber.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ned Raggett OTM

― marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

headlining reading/leeds this year.

is it just me or have been headlining festivals forever? i saw them once. they were far too loud.

― TomTomGo!!! (TomTomGo!!!), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

i have to admit, i'm not sure about supermassive black wotsit. i think i liked the idea of electromuse more than i like the actual end result. maybe it's a grower, but ... i don't think so. which is a shame.

ned, this is your fault. you've turned me against them with your muse-hatin' ways.

they were far too loud.

this is an impossibility in music ;)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 8 June 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

this is an impossibility in music ;)

Ever seen Jucifer? My fillings are still loose, and that was 4 years ago.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 8 June 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

muse is a feeling!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 June 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people

― marbles (marbles), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

ned, this is your fault. you've turned me against them with your muse-hatin' ways.

I am so horrible. I must chastise myself now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just giving this a first listen now, and I'm pretty much loving it. It's really not a huge stylistic leap, a few of the tracks have superficial electro things going on, but in general...well, they've always had planty of synthy stuff in there anyway. This probably makes it the Muse equivalent of Queen's Hot Space actually (ie an album which makes everyone go OMG IT'S DISCO, when in fact 60-70% of it is just the same old decent-enough stuff they've always been churning out), which isn't a bad thing in my book but which probably won't do them any favours with most people, realistically.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's lighter and more accessible than Absolution, but still contains loads of over the top/so wrong it's right/bombastic synth/orchestral moments. Loves it.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 12 June 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Im actually loving this. Muse are a guilt pleasure ain't they? Actually fuck that, they've lways worked as ridiculous radio-pop in my brain anyway...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO: they sound even more suede-like chordally here. Good.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Still loving this. Can't help thinking of Calexico's The Crystal Frontier during City Of Delusion, but that doesn't spoil the fun, it's still a great album, will sell truckloads again, even more so than Absolution, IMHO.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 3 July 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

I still hate them for nicking the best ever name for a single and making it LAME. Especially with the crap ads everywhere.

― Custard Subsidence (kate), Monday, 3 July 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

qualifier- it opens and closes well, but there is some ultra weak dreck in the centre of this album... oh dear.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 3 July 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

The single is great. Reminds me more of the Sweet than Queen, which is A Good Thing.

It does drag a bit in its second third but the Morricone/Sabbath crossover of the last track is splendid.

I also like the little nods to Italo-House throughout the album.

If Radiohead loosened up a bit and discovered a sense of irony (will they ever reach the Achtung Baby stage?) they could have done the first track. "You must pay for your crimes against the Earth!" Now THIS is what we want in our 2006 rock!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

Its the LACK of irony that make it so much fun tho, that ridiculousness that becomes rancid when irony-laced (IE- The Darkness)...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well indeed - this album sort of turns the Darkness into light. But Radiohead couldn't do a record like this without a heavy soupcon of irony; that's what I meant.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ah- yes I see what you mean, their schtick is overly serious, and never hints towards the kind of Neitzchean glory of Muse, a genuine (tho ridiculous) catharsis, where bitterness is almost triumphant (and triumphantly silly?)....

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

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