What's with indie prog?

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I thought that indie rock was an extension of post-punk, which was an extension of punk, which rejected high production values . . . so what's with coheed and cambria? i know that people just forget their roots, but for some reason this bugs me . . .

― andrew b (klik99), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

the problem is that your thesis is mad flawed, money.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

BOO YA

― I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

C&C is indie? I thought that would be like metal or just prog or something. Also, who cares?

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Probably it comes from the metal influence, when it became cool to like metal since metal was so unpopular among indie rock kids

― andrew b (klik99), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Huh?

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

my definition of indie rock is just who listens to it, not what it sounds like - maybe thats mad flawed

― andrew b (klik99), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

also the rock influence on metal is what keeps the prog indie

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

*ponders late's latest*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

indie rock's rep may be "punk", but kids growing up listening to Rush means it's probably going to come out at some point in their music.

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

*still ponders late's latest*

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

so by your reasoning, if a bunch of 'indie' people started listening to Strauss, that would then become indie rock?

― bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

No, it means stuff you've heard while growing up is bound to show up in the music you make

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

(and I also think that far enough removed from the epicenter of punk, people don't remember why it is they were supposed to hate "prog" - it seems like in almost every genre of music other than rock, "skill" in some way is really important. I think it's more cultural than musical, and something that doesn't necessarily "stand" for the same thing it might have in 1977)

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

(not that "prog hatred" hasn't survived pretty well intact - but secondhand wisdom usually falls a lot easier than firsthand)

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

bring on the Prog Punk

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost, forgot the 'xxxxxpost', directing to andrew

shit add an x

― bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

music is always defined by the audience that listens to it - play three chord rock to young girls in the 50s, then youre bubblegum pop, play it to a bunch of angsty disenfranchised teenagers in the 80s then youre the ramones.

― andrew b (klik99), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

xxp - like, oh,

― I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Aren't there like 10 threads on this already?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

i think if you count the influence of music idie's prog leanings make more sense

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Look now the proggers are taking acid.

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of thought that progressive rock never had all that much to do with production value. The classical influence, the emphasis on musicality and technical skill, the highly conceptual songs/song cycles all figure in there somewhere, but some of those prog records sound a bit muddy in retrospect, no? Also, since when were punk/post-punk and prog opposite sides? Have you forgotten Johnny Rotten's deep and abiding love for Van Der Graaf Generator? John Cale's classical ambitions? Adrian Belew played with Talking Heads, Robert Wyatt with Scritti Politti, Fripp with Eno and Bowie and the Flying Lizards and those last coupla KC albums before the hiatus were pretty punky, to say nothing of "Discipline!"

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

also, indie instruments are often used to create songs, just like prog, so the convergence is not as shocking

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

"indie kid" is such a meaningless, unspecific strawman.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

only an indie kid would say that

― hugaboo (space hard), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

owen said it in a little more detail, yeah but the whole punk vs. prog thing is super overrated...also look at stuff like Saccarhine Trust...Minutemen....later Black Flag....the Damned like prog....the new mojo has a whole thing on the secret prog/70s rock loves of the class of 76....the year zero thing has been disproven so many times doesn't even matter anymore...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Television was sort of progressive.

― mcd (mcd), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

punk rock and prog both shared factors in that they both had them

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

television were hippies!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Indie Frog is so lazy! He'll never catch Pepe the Fly!

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

'indie rock' is mostly marketing/advertising, and has nothing to do with sound.
also sometimes a tired meaningless cliche of amateurish critics, who sould be ignored, of course.

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, how in the world is anyone classing Coheed and Cambria fans as a subset of "indie" kids? There's like practically no connection at all.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 19 May 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

jah i thought coheed folx were like mike patton/mr.bungle/dream theater/etc type dudes.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 May 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

or like system of a down/buckethead type crowd...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 May 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought I'd see Mr. Bungle and Patton lumped in with Dream Theater. Totally different subsets of the population. Though I suppose the slash was intended to segregate these categories.

James

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

And for the record, rock music is popular music and genre overlap pretty much defines popular music in my opinion. There is no genre operating in seclusion of the others- punk, prog, indie, metal, etc. are always intersecting.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's the fanbases that are exlusionary to the point of autism.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

eh, exclusionary.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

i like pure reason revolution

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

indie prog and punk all have overlapping musical notes at times, an element that can not be unignored

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget these wonderful albums!:

Prog-Core Is Sweeping The Nation!

the new album by Gospel on level plane is really cool. if you like that prog-core kinda thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 May 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

"only an indie kid would say that"

who besides indie kids, that would care at all, even know what prog is

― prince rupert, Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

there are prog organ flourishes on sasha bell's solo project, destination girl. but maybe that's something to bitch about

― prince rupert, Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

i think indie and prog both benefit from being made by people making music involved with their creation

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Saturday, 20 May 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

That Gospel album is fantastic. Cheers to Scott for alerting me to that one last year.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 20 May 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

I am listening to early '80s Genesis as we write, and I think pop-prog of that sort (like '80s Yes and Rush) is something that the Elephant Six dudes and their progeny should jump on…

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Saturday, 20 May 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

God no.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 20 May 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I actually kind of agree with the original post. Most of the "indie" prog bands I've heard either don't really sound prog or don't really sound indie. Cuz to be a prog you hafta actually practice your instrument a lot and stuff.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Sunday, 21 May 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

i think indie and prog both use musical ideas, which musically unites them. musically.

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Sunday, 21 May 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

veronica, they have already, maybe. finishing school, for one; and of montreal's sunlandic twins has that 90125 production sheen (a good thing!)

― prince rupert, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

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