Statements of intent (album opening tracks and the changing nature thereof)

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It seems to me that the nature of album opening tracks is changing.

I have always liked slowly unfurling openers that build from nothing into something and then back again - they don't have to be 7-minute epics, though I'm not adverse to that, they just have to start with almost total silence, luring you in and making you listen, making you eager to hear what will happen next.

The Stone Roses' debut, In Sides by Orbital, Spirit of Eden, LAGWAFIS, DFM and loads more of my favourite albums all start with nothing, which rises and rises. They all tempt you in. A lot of albums used to start like that. To me it always signified the beginning of a journey, meant that something special was about to happen. I want something to earn my listening attention at the start of a record, not demand it rudely.

But it seems to me that this is a thing of the past, almost. Album openers these days are short and loud. They just Start. Everyone's at it. The new Phoenix album is good, but the opening track is loud and messy and short and unpleasant - it feels very much like it's a deliberate bid to grab attention straight away, but I don't think it works. I don't like it, and the fact that it's the first track is likely to put me off listening to the album as much as I would otherwise.

Primal Scream's new album starts with Country Girl, which again just Starts. Compare it to Burning Wheel or Kill All Hippies and there's no intrigue, no depth, no invitation into something special. It's like musical ADHD. I don't like it. Even the new Shack album starts Big (luckily it gets smaller).

Is this a trend? Why is it a trend? Is it a commercial decision? Why? Does it undersell the artist by underestimating the audience if the artist assumes the listener will skip the first track if it doens't start RIGHT AWAY? What about having the lead single as the opening track? What others can you think of? What is your favourite "type" of opening track on an album? Which opening tracks are your favourites?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

"1-2-3-4-Well she was just seventeen" to thread.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

Some good opening tracks:

Mothers of Invention - Are You Hung Up (from "We're Only In It For the Money")
The Residents - Boots (from "Meet the Residents")
The Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop

But, probably the two best i can think of off the top of my head are:

Capt. Beefheart and the Magic Band - Frownland
Can - Father Cannot Yell (what a way to start a career let alone an album!)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

These days you don't even get the "1-2-3-4!" though, do you?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

Actually "Father Cannot Yell" and "Frownland" both just burst into life like a sprinter out the blocks

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

Machine Gun by Peter Brotzmann - it sort of starts as it means to go on, so to onomatopoeically speak.

Escalator Over The Hill, of course - the brilliant Hotel Overture which sets you up for the adventure (you can see the theatre lights dimming under Haden's bass solo at the end) and then that great, long backwards choral fade-in and then the world EXPLODES oh it's fantastic!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

And how could I forget Faust's 1st album! That's another great way to start a career!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know Frownland, but Father Cannot Yell doens't just START, there's a click-in and some wibble and some stuff - it's 45 seconds before Malcolm's really going mental about "mother screaming / I am mother / I am fertile".

I think I may be barking at the wrong tree by saying "starts with nothign and builds"... it's the idea of not having an introduction that pisses me off, the idea of things just "starting". A big symphonic opening can be an introduction, noise and impact can be an introduction. But at least HAVE and introduction - just starting a crunchy loud riff that's unmemorable isn't an introduction.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh of course, you're right about "Father Cannot Yell", I was thinking of "Mother Sky" - which isn't even an opening track! Julian Cope's theory is that the start of "Father Cannot Yell" is a homage to the Velvets' "European Son", it certainly sounds like it could be.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

First tracks on 'Hark! The Village Wait' and 'Liege & Lief' are nice introductions I think, obviously both of a very traditional sort.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Last two Autechre albums: first track starts with 20 seconds of silence. Argh! I have to hover over the volume knob for that whole time!

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps we are looking at 2 approaches here. The headlong dive in - the best example I know of is "Safe European Home" on "Give Em Enough Rope" - vs the steady build up like "I Wanna Be Adored". Perhaps "Breaking into Heaven" was taking things too far, however.
Funnily enough, I was just thinking about great albums that start weakly. 'The Who Sellout' is a case in point, especially as it ends weakly too - all the great songs being clustered around its great gem, "I Can See for Miles". The Prisoners' "Last Fourfathers" also keeps its powder dry initially.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

Short and loud opening tracks have always been the norm, while the songs you describe were more exceptions from the norm.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

Prove this please Geir.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

Oh don't encourage him

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I don't doubt that, pre-1967 maybe, they were the norm in pop/rock, but in jazz they weren't, were they, and post-1967 or so I think a lot of things may have changed.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

Is this a trend?

not really, nick!

i'm thinking of some of my faves:

'white light, white heat', 'highway 61', 'the dreaming', 'discovery', uhhh 'middle of nowhere' (not so much the whole LP but the opening 2 tracks), 'for your pleasure'.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think there is a norm. ok maybe there is but it's too boring to work it out statistically.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I was never talking about jazz.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

Er, jazz doesn't generally have "opening tracks", in the sense that the first track would be just an introduction to the album.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

can you explain why, some bands tend to put as an opening track, an untitled track which is pure white noise, or a 1 minute average of white noise in the begining of the first track - as if it supposed to be an interesting piece of "music" or something, while most of the listeners will skip the track, or forward it.
Fugazi does it, for example (argument, red medicine etc...).whats the story?

coco the kid, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard of such a thing!

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

Though many longer jazz pieces have great built-in intros, "The Creatot Has a Master Plan" by Pharoah Sanders is my favourite among those.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, horrible white noise openings - I always thought Lou buggered up the sequencing on Metal Machine Music.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

Starting albums with a BANG is, I think, reflectiev of a bigger trend in 21st Cent. pop culture: The assumption that the audience needs regular jolts to hold their attention. Similar to those blockbuster Hollywood "popcorn movies" which demand that, within the first five minutes, something onscreen be blown to bits, or that someone dies a brutal death (or both.) Such a refusal to consider that some audiences may respond to subtlety reminds me of (huh?) present-day R&B, or indeed any other popular rhythmic music with ever-bigger beats (and badly recorded drums) that just don't "swing". (And no; I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, and I don't even think that beats NEED to swing to be great beats.)

Personally, I don't have any preference - some slow intros grab my attention, some just make me impatient.

I know they aren't the first songs on their respective albums (and there's probably a more suitable thread), but I gotta mention two quiet-to-loud song intros that are guaranteed to give me chills everytime: "She Sells Sanctuary" and Donna Summer's "I Feel Love".

And a coupla great ones that begin "in progress": John Coltrane's "Manifestation" and Blue Öyster Cult's "The Red And The Black".

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

The very IDEA of "Frownland" is mind-boggling - Trout Mask is hard enough to digest as is, without choosing one of the 3-4 most cacophonous tracks to open the LP with!

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

(Yes, *them* again, I'm obsessed, I know)... but this is one of the oft-quoted great things about Secret Machines. They always seem to open their albums with the 10-minute drone epics, rather than the shorter, more immediate popsongs.

It clears your head and puts you in a different space for the rest of the album.

I mean, the opener for September 000 is just the same, throbbing repeated bass note for about 30 seconds before even the drums kick in. It's hypnotic.

The Minimal Criminal (kate), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

The very IDEA of "Frownland" is mind-boggling - Trout Mask is hard enough to digest as is, without choosing one of the 3-4 most cacophonous tracks to open the LP with!

Statement of intent AHOY!

Samuel KB Amphong (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

MOVIN ON UP 'just starts' too though right?

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

ya-hah.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

The opening songs on the first three Elvis Costello LPs each feature EC starting to sing before the music begins. Just saying, like.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Starting albums with a BANG is, I think, reflectiev of a bigger trend in 21st Cent. pop culture: The assumption that the audience needs regular jolts to hold their attention.

Ahem. I think if you went back and reviewed pop history, you'd find that albums were very often one of two singles and a bunch of filler tracks. And therefore putting the "best" song first was the default position. Certainly more often than say, the third track on side two or whatever. Obviously this changed over time as the album per se became more important, but to ascribe it to "a bigger trend in 21st century pop" sounds like, well, like something a teenager would say.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Most hip-hop albums start with a skit, which is basically starting quiet and building to the big second song. I wish the Ghostface album skipped the first track entirely, there'd be nothing wrong with starting with "Shakey Dog," and that first track is annoying.

I actually hear what Nick's saying--it's something I've been thinking a lot about lately as I consider how to sequence the album I'm working on right now. I'm a sucker for the slow builds, too, but I don't think they're required, and tacking one on just for the sake of historical consistency seems questionable.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a sucker for the slow builds, too, but I don't think they're required

But if you're a sucker mightn't other people be too? It's not about historical consistency it's about affect and effect.

"Movin' On Up" does "just start" BUT it's a strum, not a BLAM, and the tune grows.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

Part of me wonders if this whole loudness war/dynamic range compression/radioplaylust affects far more than just mixing and mastering levels, you see, and also seriously affects songwriting and sequencing of albums too. Like, Coldplay's songs don't change - they never seem to have tempo, dynamic or melodic shifts in their songs (Fix You changes tempo and thus jumps out of their catalogue yelling "hi! I'm Coldplay's best song!" just because, in context of the rest of their work, it seems exciting).

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a sucker for lots of things but I don't necessarily want them in every album I listen to, though. (Plus, none of the songs we're working with really start with a slow build, although many start with a quiet riff that then gets added to. We forgot to record interstials/segues, I guess is the problem.)

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Good point.

Segues are good. I like them a lot.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

'fix you' is awful!

but this is true re. toploading, as in 'what will the neighhbours say'.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like pop and rock albums these days like to start with some kind of sound effect that won't be heard again on the rest of the album. I think the little clap clap yowl thing at the beginning of The Shins' Chutes Too Narrow is a good example.

Otherwise they start out with a brief drum solo.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to add that the Oh No! Oh My! album and Votrot's Mothers Sisters Daughters & Wives EP both start with a sound effect, and The Little Ones Sing Song EP and Dungen's Ta Det Lungt both start with drum solos. The first Shins record could probably go under "effect," too, with that little whistling bit.

Maybe it all goes back to Revolver's Taxman intro?

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Movin' On Up" does "just start" BUT it's a strum, not a BLAM, and the tune grows.

-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouth...), May 23rd, 2006.

mmm right i take the point, but the first say 15 seconds of MOVIN ON UP (culminating in the second "Now I Can See-ee") are as *much* of a blam as the say, first 2 seconds of COUNTRY GIRL. and we were talking about opening *tracks* aren't we not opening seconds here or there?

has to be said that once (a good 5 years after it's release) at an indie disco on a saturday night at sheffield leadmill i decided that THAT intro and that song were literally one of *the best* of each ever. i haven't wavered on that since.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

15 seconds vs 2 seconds, though - it's ADHD-pandering, innit?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

ADHD?

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Attention-deficit-hyperacticity-disorder - a syndrome kids have which stops them paying attention. I wonder why-oh what a nice advert...

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

gnarls b were saying the same thing in their OMM interview:

'We had longer attention spans back then,' Danger Mouse continues. 'When we were young we had tapes, and you listened to every track. You didn't fast forward in case you overshot. And songs you didn't like turned out to be your favourites, because the album became a person. It grew on you. Now, if kids don't like the first few bars, they're gone. You've got to grab them. I tell you what the problem is - it's downloading.'

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dangerpants

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Do hip-hop albums still tend to start with intros and skits?

In the few rock/pop interviews I've read recently I've noticed something which might be related - a modern cliche is to say "we want this to be an album of 12 singles" or something similar. As a committed downloader/shuffler/album-hata blah blah I have no problem at all with this, but it may be why Nick's beloved slow-builder opening track is dying out.

I always got the impression though that the slow-build track was designed to work the crowd a bit at the start of a gig, as well as open an album - "I Wanna Be Adored" certainly had that effect.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

I like how all three Basement Jaxx albums start with that murky intro type thing, a little different every time.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

...Dangermouse is kinda right, though. Downloading is more immediate gratification/bubblegum oriented by its very nature. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it doesn't lend itself so much to that repeated listening thing.

Unless of course, you end up leaving things in your iTunes and not deleting them, so they come up when you're not expecting them, and you hear them in a different light...

The Minimal Criminal (kate), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think the trend towards more and more storage space is a counterweight to the 'no repeat listens' idea.

In my experience, it takes about 3-4 months for me to rotate a good track off my regular iTunes playlist (it stays on the computer/iPod after that) - during this time I'll have listened to it 20-50 times, which sounds like "repeat listening" to me, just not in an LP context.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I always got the impression though that the slow-build track was designed to work the crowd a bit at the start of a gig, as well as open an album - "I Wanna Be Adored" certainly had that effect.

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), May 23rd, 2006.

boy are you not kidding. their comeback at BRIDLINGTON SPA in 95 after 5 years away began with just that, and well i think i'm still getting over it. i'm not even that big a fan.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

This really depends on category of album- comparing Spirit Of Eden to the new Primal Scream is pretty silly. One is a naturalistic segue strewn atmospheric-emotional piece (hence drifts in) the other a crappily self-reflexive set of pseudo-stones rock (hence hits it from the off--- as befits its rockist agenda).

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

People always say there's nothing wrong with the "instant gratification" culture but there may well be - how long have we been downloading, etcetera, living via textmessages and IM and so on? Fuck all time in the scheme of things. We don't know if it's a good or bad thing. I suspect it's a bad thing, and a very bad thing at that. K-Punk - href=http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/007656.html - would seem to agree, in a way. I see that as holistically linked to the idea of having no attention span, and I think it's really sad that the likes of Gnarls Barclay (and every other bugger!) is pandering to it. Faster is NOT better. This idea concerns me more and more everyday.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

A slow build may also be combined with a song that "rocks" though. See for instance Queen and the intro to "One Vision", which opened their "A Kind Of Magic" in a perfect way.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

The Decemberists opened their London show the other night with "California One/Youth and Beauty Brigade." It was kind of weird.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

You may be right, Nick - I have never, as long as I can remember, from age 4 or whatever, had much of an attention span, which might explain why I feel such a fit with downloading.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - It was a pretty great way of opening actually, I thought.

Iain F (i.f), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Sick Mouthy:

I'm curious: is it just the "instant" part of the "instant gratification" culture that you have a problem with? In other words, is a culture based on self-gratification ok just so long as it's not instant or too fast?

Euler (Euler), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

And exactly what year, progress-wise, had the best pace? 1890? 1920? 1950? I have my suspicions.

I just think you need to be a bit more speific in your beefs here, lest it come off crotchety. Let's not even get into k-punk's idea that the french students' protests were inherently good, yoinkers...

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see what's so "instant gratification" about downloading, necessarily. I still download and listen to albums. It's instant-gratification in the common internet way, I suppose, in that you don't actually have to get out of your seat for it, but it certainly doesn't make me want to pay less attention to a song.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

OTM about I Wanna Be Adored being a great intro..That bass is perfect.

Harrison Barr (Petar), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

but nick, k-punk is a fucking tool.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

There is that, granted.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

son't indie bands try for the slow opener? someone must be, right? if not then obviously it's another way in which bands are limiting their expressive range, but i'd be surprised if no-one was doing it.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

I can't really think of anyone doing it lately. British Sea Power, Delays etcetera = straight in, pretty much, and they're the bands you'd expect to go for the slow opener. Or I would anyway.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Her Majesty The Decemberists has a mighty slow opener. The opener to The Sunset Tree is pretty mellow. And the opener of Chutes Too Narrow takes a little while to get loud. Also the opener of Andrew Bird's Mysterious Production of Eggs. That's all I can think of right now.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

to ascribe it to "a bigger trend in 21st century pop" sounds like, well, like something a teenager would say.

-- pleased to mitya

Dude, that's EXACTLY what my Social Studies teacher told me!

Myonga Von Bogus (Monty Von Byonga), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)


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