This is the thread where you ask someone to explain the greatness of (insert classic album here).

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Because you just don't get it.

I'll start:

1. Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's
2. Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On

bob george (Lee is Free), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Sgt Pepper's fools people into thinking it's great because the last song is one of the best songs ever written. And I guess at the time of it's release it was some sort of massive cultural event . Lennon himself said that he did'nt rate it highly - mainly because he did'nt have many songs ready himself at the time . My guess is that most people who claim it as the best Beatles album either
a: are fooled by the hype and don't actually listen to whole Beatles albums
or
b: like that music hall mcartney shit like " when i'm 64" more than the psychedlic or rock'n roll stuff

I'd take side 2 of Abbey Rd over all of sgt peppers anyday


There's a Riot going on is awesome. It's the only album I know of by a funk band that I consider more sunny afternoon beer drinking music rather than saturday night dancing on ecstacy music ( or in the case early funkadelic - 4 am tripping music) . It goes well with howling Wolf, exile on main street . And in a lot of ways I feel it's the beginning of all that mo wax,endtroducing,massive attack sound .
I listen to it a lot...but nowhere near as much as sly's greatest hits

grapple (grapple), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

3. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main St.

Would really appreciate this.

mynci madness, Monday, 29 May 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

Exile's great...there are certainly 6 or 7 tracks that are stand outs...but the other songs are'nt too far behind-and the especially good tracks are dotted through out from start to finish.... so it's one of the few double albums that is consistently good all the way through - and would not be better if it was trimmed to a single . Beggar's will always be my favourite Stones album - but I listen to Exile the most . great riffs. great tunes .great singer .

grapple (grapple), Monday, 29 May 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought that Magical Mystery Tour was way better than Sgt Pepper myself. The Beatles definitely topped SP more than once on their own.

musically (musically), Monday, 29 May 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'd take side 2 of Abbey Rd over all of sgt peppers anyday

Absolutely!

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

Slint - Spiderland

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

Sgt. Pepper's is (to my knowledge) generally regarded by Beatles fans as not their best, but certainly one of their most adventurous--it's sometimes (I would say incorrectly) cited as the first true "rock album."

It may also be more famous for the colorful cover design than for the actual music inside, some of which, as grapple said, is sub-standard McCartneyism.

That being said--"Day in the Life" is a classic. "Sgt. Pepper" the song is great, too. "Lucy" and "Get by with a Little Help" are overrated but certainly not bad songs. I really like "Mr. Kite," even if everyone else hates it. And "Lovely Rita" has got to be one of the most fun songs of all time.

As for There's a Riot Going on... Africa's talking to you. You're just not listening.

max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

I like Mr. Kite.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Best Beatles lyric, for my money.

max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

I like it too. Who hates "Mr. Kite"?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

Specific song... "Unfinished Sympathy"

To me all it sounds like is a decent Soul II Soul rip, not some huge breakthrough. Mind you, I am hearing this for the first time 15 years after the fact.

Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

I see where you're coming from - when I first became properly aware of Unfinished Sympathy in, oh, 98 or so, I thought it was a rip of You Got the Love by The Source. But trust me, it's a real grower, far subtler than it first appears. Listen to the rising strings instrumental section towards the end.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

are you guys sure this thread has never happened before?

i've noticed when sgt. pepper is talked about a/the great/greatest record it is usually on historical grounds, for its importance to the album-as-art concept or whatever. revolver and rubber soul are sometimes dealt with like this because of the stylistic leaps they represent. they are all great albums. but it's sometimes hard to explain the greatness of the beatles because so much of our pop music fabric is cut from their cloth and it becomes hard to tell where one ends and the other begins, i think.

that's a good point about exile as "perfect" double album. but it's appeal to me is much more basic: it's the immediate, primal swagger and swoon... either it gets your rocks off or it doesn't. for me, when i think of (post-beatles) rock and roll music... it's exile and funhouse and the rest sort of fall in behind.

now explain this greatness to me: why does this board need a new thread about pulp every twenty minutes?

anvsbl, Monday, 29 May 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

I bought a cassette of Exile, and it didn't do much for me for the first few months of ownership. Then I spent all day drinking alone in a cheap hotel in Naples, playing it over and over again. I think a lot of hallowed albums are waiting for the correct circumstances for their appeal to hit.

I like Trout Mask Replica okay, but I've never had that moment with it. Though I have with Safe as Milk.

I've owned Astral Weeks for over 20 years, with the first listen during a snow day in early high school. I'd bought it the night before, but didn't put it on, so clearly I was already suspicious. I thought, "this is boring, but it seems to be for older people. Maybe I will like it later." It's never happened.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Safe as Milk>Trout Mask Replica

*awaits blows*

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

*smacks chap*

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Some thread, somewhere around here, a fair number of folks espouse the SaM > TMR opinion. Was a relief, reading that.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

1. Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's - drugs
2. Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Going On - drugs
3. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main St. - drugs
Slint - Spiderland - horny
Specific song... "Unfinished Sympathy" - nostalgia for pre-Thatcher tea cozy sales at Tesco

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Van Morrison is shit. We seem to agree on stuff.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

Astral Weeks is amazing...the best mellow singer/songwriter style album ever...i have'nt stop playing it regularly in 17 years now.

Unfinished Sympathy has never done it for me though - safe from Harm is much better...and five man army is the dogs bollocks

grapple (grapple), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

Please... SOMEONE explain the appeal of There Is No One What Will Take Care of You--is that the idiot Palace album with the song about sister love?

Astral Weeks has never happened for me either, though I really love "The Way that Young Lovers Do." And I hate "Mr. Kite," though I knew a guy who liked only that song from the album.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

The greatness of Exile on Main Street: unlike the five or six Stones albums before it, which kept changing textures and jumping genres from track to track, Exile has a single sound and sticks to roots. It's got the simplicity and energy of the earliest albums, but fully-formed songwriting and arrangements. Yet it's not ambitious. It walks into your room, and throws a bunch of perfectly constructed songs at you, and doesn't take the time to polish them. It's not going to wow you with a Baroque choral or attempts at defining a generation. What sets the songs apart from each other is the slightly shifting slink and swagger of beats and guitar lines. The Stones are aware, finally, that the songs that inspired them weren't particularly polished either. After Exile, not-trying-very-hard is all they did. But once Exile hits you, the other stuff strives too hard too often.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

actually as much as I love Ok Computer and everything since..'the Bends' only has aobut 2 great tracks in my book

grapple (grapple), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Please... SOMEONE explain the appeal of There Is No One What Will Take Care of You--is that the idiot Palace album with the song about sister love?

If you don't even know what album you're talking about, it's hard to believe you've given it much of a chance.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

"The Way Young Lovers Do" has clicked for me, 'cause it gets to the point and has a heartbeat. The rest of the songs are *sooooo* long. And they're not even that long.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

But yeah, it is that album.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Idle Hands Are The Devils Playthings" has a great banjo solo.
"(I Was Drunk At The) Pulpit" is a great country style title.
"O Lord Are You In Need" is rather pretty.
"Long Before" = Incest songs are hip now, as was recently discussed on another thread.
Don't remember much about the rest.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

nostalgia for pre-Thatcher tea cozy sales at Tesco

Woah...I'm an American, a rather young one at that, and this means absolutely nothing to me.

Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 May 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

Mirror Man>Clear Spot/Spotlight Kid>Safe as Milk>Trout Mask Replica


yeah, tories say what in the who, now?

autovac (autovac), Monday, 29 May 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Mirror Man sure is damn damn good

grapple (grapple), Monday, 29 May 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

The Soft Bulletin - The Flaming Lips

This is an album I've gone back and forth on over the years, from one of my all-time favorites to very overrated, I'd like to here what some of you guys think.

Josh Smart (smartypants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

The last 13+ years of the Flaming Lips have sucked unless you're some kind of annoying indie rock bastard.

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hit To Death In The Future Head is my favorite, try that one.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

I've listened to them all, but the Soft Bulletin was always my favorite. Looking back though, recently, I can't really understand why I liked them so much. There new album was pretty much crap as far as I was concerned. Also I'm not sure what exactly qualifies someone as an 'indie rock bastard.'

Josh Smart (smartypants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

well now you have a great thread idea- serendipity! Yeah so anyway I wavered the same way on Soft Bulletin, couldn't figure out what turned me off and just chocked it up to 'bad vibes', hardly anything to do with the content, as such. It's one of maybe three albums I've ever heard that affects me that way, weird.
Astral Weeks finally happened for me but it took at least 5 years.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get into the new one either. I've been trying.
x-post

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

Riot: The creepy junkie who's breathing on you actually does have something incredibly smart and powerful to say about his historical moment and its failures, it's just a matter of making it out before he disintegrates. Also, that song you were just dancing to was about himself, and it wasn't nice.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

I was so sure this was going to be an old thread.

deeej, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

The creepy junkie who's breathing on you...great description !

grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

3. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main St.
Would really appreciate this.

My rockcrit powers aren't at their best this morning (and bendy did a nice job upthread), but here goes...

It's an album about enervation and cynicism which sounds neither enervated nor cynical. For once Jagger inserts himself into the music, his voice in effect a third guitar howling between Keith Richards and Mick Taylor; his lyrics are more offhand and throwaway than in any other time in his career (well, except the great Dirty Work): "Judge and jury walked out hand in hand," "don't wanna talk to Jesus, I just wanna see his face," "ten little niggers sittin' on the wall." I love how you can play any of the four sides indiscriminately. I love how tracks you dismissed as pleasant formalist exercises suddenly sound REALLY AMAZING years later ("Casino Boogie" and "Soul Survivor").

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't 'get' Astral Weeks myself at all at first - my northern irish trotskyite flatmate lent it to me when i was in my early 20s,and I thought 'This is MOR, this is dull'. I had another go about 10 yrs later, stoned in bed, and it began to make sense. The Way Young Lovers Do hit me first - I just love 6/8 songs - the offbeat string arrangement. Then Madam George, just 3 chords cycling round, a tale of adolescent longing, the love that loves....

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Listen to the bass on Astral Weeks, particularly the title track. Some of the greatest playing in music history.

Madam George and Beside You I could do without, but the rest is classic, immortal even.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Don't see how Astral Weeks is a grower. That album hit me like a train on first hearing (in a good way).

Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

TCBeing OTM about the bass.

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

actually as much as I love Ok Computer and everything since..'the Bends' only has aobut 2 great tracks in my book
-- grapple (bondistor...), May 29th, 2006.

I can only assume that at some point in your music-listening career you accidentally mixed up the discs, because The Bends is 10 tracks of absolutely grade-A instant-classic goodness sandwiched between an unfortunately mediocre opener and closer, and OK Computer is "Let Down" + some other piffling crap

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

(which I guess can be seen as my way of asking: what is the freakin' deal with [i]OK Computer[/i], doodz?)

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

dammit, the blunt ends of my square brackets only do half-damage to the clay golem that is ILM

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Recent thread revival reminded me of this riddle of an album: Miles' "On the Corner"
Anybody care to explain how they can tolerate the incessant clicking, which makes it one of the most annoying recordings I've heard?

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

"Sgt. Pepper" is the greatest Beatles album because they more or less single-handedly invented symphonic rock. Which was considered a good thing until the mid 70s and still should.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

"because"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

On The Corner isn't even my favorite early '70s Miles.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

bernard snow OTM about the bends, if a trifle harsh about OKC. Let Down does piss over the rest of that album tho.

dr x o'skeleton, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

No way that The Bends>OK Computer. I would say everything post OK Computer has been better than anything else they've done, and I have listened to them all a lot. The bends might be a good album but it is pretty standard 90s music, very dated at this point. They still sounded (somewhat) like a U2 ripoff at that point. Not to mention that the lyrics have gotten so much better since the Bends. Maybe you gave them both cursory listens, but I will never understand people who say The Bends is peak Radiohead, it makes no sense to me. Listen to National Anthem, Idioteque, Everything in It's Right Place, You and Whose Army, Pyramid Song, There There, Punch Up at a Wedding, Paranoid Android, Let Down, etc. then go back and listen to songs like Fake Plastic Trees and Black Star. There is no comparison. (Also I don't mean to turn this into another OKC c/d thread, just had to throw my two cents in there.)

smartypants (smartypants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm with you there. the bends sounds like an offcuts album they put out after ok cimpuer of songs that didn't make the grade.

grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)


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