For all the braggadocio, today's rapper sure is insecure (Oprah Vs. Hip-Hop: Round Three )

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From E! Online, courtesy of Yahoo:

It really is hard out there for a pimp.

That is, if by "pimp," they mean hip-hop star, and by "there," they mean Harpo studios.

Ice Cube is the latest rapper to step up the offensive against unlikely beef recipient Oprah Winfrey, crying foul over the talk show hostess' alleged refusal to book hip-hop acts on her influential chatfest.

The 'Are We There Yet?' star followed in the footsteps of fellow rappers turned critics Ludacris and 50 Cent, telling FHM magazine that Stedman's better half has unfairly kept the arbiters of thug life off her airwaves.

"I've been involved in three projects pitched to her, but I've never been asked to participate," the 36-year-old told the magazine in its July issue. "For Barbershop she had Cedric the Entertainer and Eve on, but I wasn't invited. Maybe she's got a problem with hip-hop.

"She's had damn rapists, child molesters and lying authors on her show. And if I'm not a rags-to-riches story for her, who is?"

Ice Cube's public denouncement of Winfrey—or at least her booking agents—is just the latest lashing out directed at the daytime queen.

In an interview with the AP last month, 50 Cent voiced complaints that the Tony-bound 52-year-old took issue with rappers and thus rarely invited them on her show.

"I think she caters to older white women," the "In Da Club" rapper said. "Oprah's audience is my audience's parents. So, I could care less about Oprah or her show."

Of course, that could be because disagreeing with the queen of suburban housewives only ups Fiddy's street cred.

"I'm actually better off having friction with her," he told the AP.

If that's the case, he was likely less than pleased to receive a recent endorsement from Winfrey, who made a surprise appearance on New York hip-hop radio station earlier this month to talk to DJ Ed Lover about her reported lack of support for rap acts.

"I listen to some hip-hop," the media queen said. "You know, I've been accused of not liking hip-hop, and that's just not true. I got a little 50 on my iPod. I really do. Love 'In Da Club'...Love that, and you know, love Jay-Z, love Kanye, love Mary J."

Reports of a biased brouhaha first picked up steam in April, when Ludacris, born Chris Bridges, spoke out to GQ magazine about his treatment on the show last fall, when he was promoting the Oscar-winning Crash.

"She edited out a lot of my comments while keeping her own in," he told the lad's mag. "Of course, it's her show, but we were doing a show on racial discrimination, and she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I came on there as an actor.

"I don't see why people like Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, who I am huge fans of, it's OK for them to go on Oprah. They speak the same language as I do, but they do it through comedy, so I guess that's acceptable."

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

In the good old days, you just do a rap about how fat her ass is. Now I gotta listen to rich whiney 'gangstas' because they can't get on Oprah? The shame!

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

I hear ya nicky.

― grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

"For Barbershop she had Cedric the Entertainer and Eve on, but I wasn't invited. Maybe she's got a problem with hip-hop."

LOGIC!

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.defamer.com/images/2006/05/oprah-auschwitz.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

50's quote was surprisingly reasonable. Actually same with Luda's. Both had valid points.

― Period period period (Period period period), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

"And as for fame you got enough to bust in Oprah's mouth"- AZ "Never Change"

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

thats right im pro black

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Luda: "she didn't just ask me to promote my new album, what kinda crazy hostile shit is that anyway"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ here comes crazy hater dude

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

he didn't want to promote his new album

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think a lot of what he's saying is whining (wish he'd tell us what pearls Oprah cut out), but at least mock the shit he actually said.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

naw you guys all I meant was "she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I'm on there as an actor" is exactly the sort of head-fake that deserves to get mocked - has the guy never watched Oprah before? did he honestly think "I'll go promote Crash"? but whatever ethan, I know anything short of nutswinging counts as hating where MCs are concerned

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

ethan to entire history of rhetoric: "you're either with us or against us"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think you've misused 'nutswinging'

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think Roget's now offers "follow-up question" as a synonym for "hating," so admittedly I'm way behind the times and defer to my man deej on the question of nutswings

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

dont fuck wit no devil

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

thomas in twee bill o'reilly shockah

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

did yall see that crazy oreilly thing about how schools arent gonna teach math now unless its GAY MATH

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

"8, 10, or 11?" will now appear prominently on first grade math tests

AND THERE WILL BE NO WRONG ANSWER

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

did yall see that crazy oreilly thing about how schools arent gonna teach math now unless its GAY MATH

yeah, and I thought: is he really serious? it's hard for me to believe he's serious, I know this is just me being naive but how can people who're able to form a sentence believe that shit

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

now you know how me and trife react to yr posts sometimes!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

also since columbus wasnt gay nobody will be taught about columbus!! apparently this will hurt our children's abilities to compete in a global market with powerful homophobic nations like zimbabwe, saudi arabia, and vatican city

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

did he honestly think "I'll go promote Crash"?

Thomas, if I remember correctly, he was on in one big couch-long panel with every other big name from that movie -- Bullock, Dillon, surely Oprah's friend Newton -- so yeah, he probably did honestly think that. (If I remember correctly, though, the stuff about him as a rapper was actually brought up by Bullock, maybe? Or anyway supposedly their whole "issues addressed in Crash" discussion somehow came around in that direction, and someone, possibly Bullock, was all like "well how do you square that opinion with the content of your music?")

The most interesting thing about that story is 50's comfortable, open statement that his audience consists of middle-class white kids. (Far from a shocker, or anything, but I feel like I rarely see anyone in his position just casually assert it.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I keep waiting for Tallis to bust out with a defense of Oprah as wacky as that whole 'Stephin Merritt's attitudes toward rap can be explained away entirely by the fact that many rappers don't like gay people, despite the fact that Merritt never once brought it up' thing.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

every interview I've ever seen w/50 involves him talking about what's a smart marketing/career move for him. its the most boring shit ever.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

why does 50 saying oprahs audience is his audiences parents mean white kids??

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

"I think she caters to older white women," the "In Da Club" rapper said."

― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Ice Cube is hardly an example of "rags to riches", as he claims. His parents were UCLA professors!

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-10,RNWE:en&q=ice+cube+parents+ucla

"GROSS: Did your parents work at UCLA? ICE CUBE: Yeah, they were custodians at UCLA, both my parents. And my father was a groundskeeper. ... "

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

This is like when everyone pretends Chuck D was middle-class affluent because he was from long island, right?

Chuck D lived in the queensbridge projects til he was 11.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

PWND

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

countdown to someone mentioning Cube going to school at U of AZ....

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

ICE CUBE WENT TO U OF AZ, HOW "HARD" COULD HE BE???????

― Dan (Happy To Oblige) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

U of Azz?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

You're thinking of DJ Assault.

― Dan (Minor In Titties) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

being poor =/ being smart shocker

I think a better one is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Cube
"He used to drive a Suzuki," how hard could he be?!

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

that should say 'being poor =/ being stupid shocker' but i am alas poor and stupid.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha

― Dan (Awesome) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

(According to wikipedia he went to the Phoenix Institute of Technology, not U of AZ, which I assume are diff schools?)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Directed music videos for Color Me Badd's "I Wanna Sex You Up"

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

HOW HARD CAN HE BE????

― Dan (Color Me Badd??????) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

More grist for the rap in the 00s=rock in the early '70s connection.

But can we take a moment to talk about how bad this lead is?

It really is hard out there for a pimp.

That is, if by "pimp," they mean hip-hop star, and by "there," they mean Harpo studios.

Or maybe don't bother.

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's hard out Harpo studios for a hip-hop star.

― Dan (Is This Even English?Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

horrible lead.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ecto-web.org/~spookcentral/cast_crew_peter_macnicol.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry confusin my Arizona schools obviously - hey at least I got the state right!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm glad i read this thread cuz ethan reminded me of that showbiz and AG song...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I was wrong. They weren't professors. Still, every account I could find suggested a middle-class upbringing. Both parents were gainfully employed at a respectable educational institution, and moreover they were still together. I'm not saying it was necessarily an ultra-cushy life, but frankly, I think Ice Cube has a habit of exaggerating his past in order to gain credibility. (The lyrics from "Straight Outta Compton" are a pretty good example of this.)

It might be true that there are plenty of poor people who go to college, but I think it's rare that a truly poverty-stricken gangster would go to college in 'mechanical drafting.'

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

(According to wikipedia he went to the Phoenix Institute of Technology, not U of AZ, which I assume are diff schools?)

-- deej.. (clublonel...), May 31st, 2006.

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― Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

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high fives all around!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck off, ~~punis~~oops.

― Dan (Predictable) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Incongruity between using standard mocking trope that occurs in these threads ("Some of my best friends etc etc" being a get out clause for white people with questionable racial motives) but applying it to Oprah (a popular black American television personality, not white). Reading comp can be fun!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody should ask Bill Clinton if he still wants to have a national conversation about race.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

If Oprah would just give ho wranglers the respect they deserve, this thread wouldn't have to exist.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

"incongruity" != "irony" Dom but that was a nice try.

― Dan (Red Star For Effort) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

"incongruity" != "irony"

It's lucky I never said that then. Incongruity as a linguistic ploy can lead to moments of irony though. How about you don't try and teach me about the English language, and I don't try and teach you about choir stuff?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Now can we get off semantics and get back onto the safer less contentious grounds of race?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

CAPTAIN SAVE-A-HOPRAH

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

All [Oprah's] friends are black is like a free ride but you've all ready paid.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

For all the braggadocio, today's ILXor is insecure

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

How about you don't try and teach me about the English language, and I don't try and teach you about choir stuff?

-- Dom Passantino (juror...), May 31st, 2006.

We're not talking about your precious "English" language here, buddy. We're speaking in American.

HOW DO I SHOT SENTENCE CONSTRUCTION?

― John Justen, the archetypal shit head generation (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

CAPTAIN SAVE-A-HOPRAH
-- Q('.'Q) (ï¿½@ï¿½), May 31st, 2006 7:18 PM. (eman) (link)

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

ahhhhhha

― shhhhhh (pds37), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope we can keep this thread at the top of ILM until punis announces that he is QUITTING ILX FOREVER SERIOUSLY GUYS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah! he's a peepee head!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm glad somone has stepped up and seized the mantle of Den Mother for this thread.

― John Justen, the archetypal shit head generation (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Oprah Winfrey is black. Of course that doesn't neccessarily mean she has anything in common with the typical hip-hop audiences (I mean, even Condoleeza Rice is black, at least on the surface).

But still, it would be better if people could realize that this entire debate about hip-hop is, with a few exceptions, not about rascism.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh good, Geir and Oops are here.

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

yes let's all go on and on about them and punis and how they ruin threads! that'll right the ship.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

is this about Oprah? take her, dude.

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Oprah Winfrey is black. Of course that doesn't neccessarily mean she has anything in common with the typical hip-hop audiences (I mean, even Condoleeza Rice is black, at least on the surface).

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― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

and with one post, all the inherent potential of the internet is realized.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

I could go for some cheetohs.

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Well, some people here have the idea that whoever doesn't like rap is a rascist (well, as a matter of fact, whoever likes recent guitar based music made by white guys is too), and they are deeply upset when someone suggests that music does, indeed, have nothing to do with race.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

li'l rascist

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://dfriedman.typepad.com/dave_friedmans_blog/2005/02/rascist.html

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

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― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

HEY OOPS
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― and what (ooo), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

yaaaaay!

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fite!

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

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― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

Debacle!

Dan, the point of prior post was that Oprah is NOT a hip hop fan by virtue of liking 50 cent and Kanye; she's just someone who occasionally hears and enjoys pop music. For someone to say, 'I like hip hop; why, I even have 50 Cent on my ipod" strikes me as not entirely unlike in spirit to 'I'm not racist; some of my best friends are black'. Its unnecessarily explanatory nature is revealingly ignorant.

Also, in Oprah's case, it's especially weird cuz who really thought that oprah was bumping NWA anyway? Besides which, other than Cube, who the fuck cares if Oprah digs hip hop? She's OPRAH.

I'm assuming that you read that as some sort of Geiresque point (made horribly real just minutes later) that Oprah has black friends, is black and thus must like hip hop? Or are you just offended by the use of the phrase "I have black friends"? Or only when it's applied to black people? Or something? I'm not sure what your bone to pick is.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also:

For all the braggadocio, today's ILXor is insecure

Ding ding ding

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

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― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wait wait wait. I thought dude was being ironic. Or at least incongruous as a ploy to lead to a moment of irony.

So your comment had nothing to do with race. It was just a comparisson of like rhetorical structures. How emberassing it must have been to learn thet Oprah is black, and that people were mistaking your clever satire of faux fandom for half-baked snark.

― Fluffy Bear Is Like Rain On Your Wedding Day (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

I understood completely the point you were making. The point I was making was that using that particular phrase to make it was stupid because of the complete, abject failure of the extended analogy; because Oprah is black and primarily has black friends, it completely dilutes the analogy. It's akin to attempting to make the same comment about Charlton Heston by comparing him to the statement "some of my best friends are gun nuts". Also Geir made precisely the same point using the same type of joke several posts earlier that was much funnier because of the inadvertant typo.

― Dan (For Fuck's Sake) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

that was much funnier because of the inadvertant typo.

b-b-but he always makes that typo.

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

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― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.movieboulevard.co.uk/AutoG/Charlton%20Heston%201%20L.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.medaloffreedom.com/CharltonHestonMedal.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh: The "failure" of the extended analogy is intended, as the humor, such as it is, derives from the absurdity of conflating the quasi-racist "I have black friends" fallacy with Oprah's ill considered statement, rather than in the coining of some sort of epigram. Half-baked snark seems about right; yer response seemed a tetch prickly.

The "Oprah primarily has black friends" being taken seriously is a red herring that never occurred to me. But good vigilance on your part!

I missed Geir's "rasc" comment as I was posting at the time.

I'd be curious what Heston's statement would be to finish the "some of my best friends are gun nuts" : "some of my best friends are black people" analogy as I really can't figure out what it would be.

Otherwise, are we done here?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

NO. KEEP GOING.

― John Justen, Penis-melting Zionist robot combs (johnjusten), Thursday, 1 June 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

500 POSTS.
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― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

i just want to lol at Geir's 'Condi's black...ON THE SURFACE' remark

― Konal 'Inside every white man is a black man just trying to break out'Doddz (blu, Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Quick, someone cross-section Condi.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

A case where vivisection might actually benefit society.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

HOLD THE PHONE
Is Ice Cube really remaking Mr. Blandings?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

YES! they're reimagineering it as a sequel to 'are we there yet?'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Is it true that he's doing Welcome Back Kotter in the Gabe Kaplan role or was that an ILX hoax that I fell for?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure he's producing it.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

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