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Never really loved Middle of Nowhere, hadn't listened to it much. However I came in last week particularly late one night and the only CD in my room was MON, which was dusty and on my shelf. I couldn't have got another CD without waking someone up.

So I put it on. Oh my god what was I missing? It's fantastic. Right from the off it sounds like rave music being sung by angels. I realise Orbital have always had this quality, but MON seems to be deeper and weirder than the other albums. I never noticed it, how was I missing it all the time, I can't stop listening to the thing now, it's unbelievable.

Ronan, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Strange that you say that, I was lukewarm on MON when I first got it. It was OK, but it didn't really grab me. Of course now, I have the same reverence for it as you. Snivilisation also followed this path of appreciation for me, too.

patrick, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember playing it v loud the summer it came out quite a lot. Might dig it out again now, ta. It's got that over-the-top belter quality, BOOM when it starts, then the pace keeps up for most of the record IIRC. Nice gentle let down with Style too.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was never so disappointed by a record in my life....It doesn't seem to communicate anything, it's just there. Every now and then I dig it out in case I was wrong, but I still think its shit. Their last single was OK though

owen hatherley, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

_Middle Of Nowhere_ is an amazing record. Those first three tracks alone are godlike, but the true killer is the oft-overlooked "Otono" that slams into you right at the midpoint of the album.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Any of you seen them DJ? Apparently it's their first DJ set together here on Saturday week, but have any of you seen one of them do a set?

What can I expect?

Ronan, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I haven't seen them DJ, but I have seen them perform live. It was pretty much what you'd expect from an Orbital live show, but I suspect that in a way, their DJ set might be more interesting. I bet they pull out anything and everything.

patrick, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have never been enamoured of Orbital. I loathed In Sides so much I vowed to give them a wide berth. But 'rave music sung by angels' sounds very promising! I shall definitely seek it out!

Daniel, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

MON is so much more fun than the other Orbital albums. In addition to the first two tracks and "Otono" which have been mentioned, "I Don't Know You People" is great. Revving guitar and crumbly organ... awesome!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For me it's all about, oh, three moments:

1) In "Spare Parts Express", when the huge cathedral organs flood in as the beats drop away, and then the whole thing smashes back into action again with something approach pomp-psychosis.

2) The searing synth riffs in "Know Where To Run", especially the high one that they only use once.

3) The entirety of "Nothing Left", which is just hugely, indescribably awesome. Especially the breakdown at the end with the fantastic cross-hatching of the vocals.

It's amazing how this record gets everything so right that the new album gets so wrong.

Tim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bite your tongue, the Hartnolls have never done *anything* wrong. lol I fully enjoy The Altogether. I thought Pop!Orbital was a nice departure from the norm.

patrick, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
Middle Of Nowhere has been getting a hammering round at my house (and office) recently. I can't fathom how I was ever nonplussed by this. It's fucking fantastic.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Still not that much into it, sorry. I love "In Sides", but MON I feel lacks the hooks of its predecessor. Kind of love the start of "Wayout", which reminds me of the game music on my old C-64, but other than that the album leaves me somewhat cold. In fact, I like "The Blue Album" a lot better.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

DON'T THEY HAVE A NEW ALBUM OUT?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh it's called The Blue Album. Has anyone heard it yet?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Blue Album" is great. IMO their best since "In Sides"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Nickalicious - http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=2104

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm, where are the hooks on Blue Album if not on MON?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Stevem OTM.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Nick! I R EXCITED TO HEAR IT OMG.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The Blue Album seemed short on hooks for me - You Lot, Bathtime and Sunrise excepted. And even they don't have anything that claws into your mind in the same way that the best bits of Spare Parts Express, Nothing Left or Way Out do.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Middle Of Nowhere has been getting a hammering round at my house (and office) recently. I can't fathom how I was ever nonplussed by this. It's fucking fantastic.

Fuck you, Southy, now I have to listen to it again.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

You love it, Andrew.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The Blue Album seemed short on hooks for me
Hahaha, Matt cock-teased us all and whipped us into an anticipation frenzy on this thread and how he's saying that he doesn't think the album is that good!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Acid Pants" is one of the most horrific things ever recorded.

I can't think of a song by a band I love as much as Orbital that I just loathe as much as that one.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing on The Blue Album I like at all is the first version of 'Pants.' 'Acid Pants' has to be the worst thing they've done. The rest is pretty forgettable. I had unrealistically high hopes for this record, and would hate it as much as Middle of Nowhere if part of me hadn't been anticipating some degree of disappointment. I'm glad I didn't bother with the last two.

Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN...STARTS
WHEN THE LAUGHLAUGHLUAHGLUAHGLUAHGLUAGHLAHGLAHGLAGH

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

it's got good 303 tho (er, assuming it is 303) - Bath Time and One Perfect Sunrise are far worse. i do love Lost, You Lot and Transient tho

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Blue Album quite a bit but I don't know their earlier material. I especially like the interplay between the strings and the synth sounds on the first track. I find the "laugh track" stuff a little annoying but not terribly hard to overlook.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny, I like Acid Pants a lot. It's like being attacked by an army of clowns. In a good way.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I like what they do with the sample, it's just that the sample itself can seem a little annoying and hokey at first. But it's something I could get past.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It's great to run to.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I love "One Perfect Sunrise". Sure, it's a bit too 1993, but that was a good year.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like being attacked by an army of clowns. In a good way.

NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, how about "like attacking a group of children as one of a battallion of clown commandos"?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

POSSIBLE BUT STILL FUCKING UNLIKELY

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, my mate Billy LOVES "Acid Pants" but then again he actually went to raves and saw Orbital live and stuff in the early 90s. I don't mind it - his enthusiasm has rubbed off on me. Blue as a whole is pretty weak though, but I still stand by everything I said in my review. Stevem otm re; the best songs.

Middle Of Nowhere is now my joint second-favourite Orbital album. The graph now goes liek this:

In Sides >> Snivilisation/Middle Of Nowhere >> Brown >>>> Blue >> Green >>>> The Altogether

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Semi-insanity.

And no fucking way is Blue better than Green. Maybe because you UKers didn't get the singles with your version, but our version has both "Chime" and "Belfast," thus automatically making it superior to every Orbital album besides In Sides and Snivilisation.

The Good Dr. Bill\ (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

2 tracks do not a great album make

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My copy does have them on. But two outstanding tracks does not a great album make. I never, repeat NEVER listen to Green as a whole, and I'm not fussed by "Chime" overly to be honest either. Green is like a dodgy compilation.

Also THERE IS NO PLATONIC ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE, ONLY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

X-post!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That's totally fucking spooky, Stevem!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The Altogether has more than two good tracks of course...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It does, but the shit ones are REALLY SHIT.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha, Matt cock-teased us all and whipped us into an anticipation frenzy on this thread and how he's saying that he doesn't think the album is that good!

I didn't say I didn't think it was that good, I just said I thought it was short on hooks, there's a difference.

Acid Pants is fantastic - the problem isn't even the sample itself its that the sample is overused. But I got past that pretty quickly. I love Bath Time as well, but then I like childish plinky melodies like that.

The moment when One Perfect Sunrise *really* worked for me was at Glastonbury (which surely it was written for), partly because it seemed chunkier and bassier. Also I had a grumbling Stevem next to me which made it funnier.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

_Green_ is worse than _The Altogether_. There, I said it.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Acid Pants is fantastic - the problem isn't even the sample itself its that the sample is overused.

have you heard Sparks "Lil Beethoven"? - most of the songs on it sound like a looped vocal sample anyway!

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Smouthy completely otm about Green and about the album heirarchy -- except that MoN should be below Brown.
In the last few months, I've convinced myself that "Nothing Left" is by far their most underrated single and is may be one of their top 5 singles overall.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Acid Pants" is great. There's a moment, about 4 and half minutes in, where they chop up the sample and throw it back at you very quickly - it kills me.

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

2 tracks do not a great album make

When they're "Belfast" and "Chime," hell yes they fucking do.

I never, repeat NEVER listen to Green as a whole, and I'm not fussed by "Chime" overly to be honest either. Green is like a dodgy compilation.

even without those two, Green would still be pretty close to Brown for me--"Desert Storm," "The Mobeius," "Choice," "Satan"...it's all good stuff. It doesn't flow that well but it sounds like a singles collection of this really awesome bleep-and-bass group. That's cool too.

"Chime" fucking destroys "Halcyon" for me. I could listen to that chime riff for practically all eterntity.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"Chime" and "Belfast" are so massively overrated it isn't even funny. As far as I'm concerned early Orbital is all about "Satan" and "Choice".

Also, if you are looking at the albums as proper albums and not arbitrary sequences of songs recorded during a particular year, there is absolutely no way that _Green_ can compare to anything else Orbital released. The album is ill-conceived and doesn't flow well PLUS most of the tracks on it are DESTROYED by individual tracks on ALL of their later albums. _Blue_ is basically _Green done correctly; there are songs on _Green_ I like more than most of the songs on _Blue_ but overall the songs on _Blue_ work together better and the entire album flows in a way impossible for _Green_ due to the way it was put together.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Chime" and "Belfast" are so massively overrated it isn't even funny. As far as I'm concerned early Orbital is all about "Satan" and "Choice".

...

do you also like "World in Motion" and "Round and Round" more than "Temptation" and "Blue Monday"?

Actually, considering your favorite NO albums, you very well might. Eh.

Also, if you are looking at the albums as proper albums and not arbitrary sequences of songs recorded during a particular year, there is absolutely no way that _Green_ can compare to anything else Orbital released.

yeah, I'd agree with that. Like I said, awesome singles comp, not album.

But when so many of the tracks on Blue make me feel more than a little bit queasy, I really don't care if it flows or not. Save "You Lot," "What Happens Next" and "One Perfect Sunrise" for best-of mixes and jet the rest (and WHN didn't even make the final cut, did it? Terrible).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The original Chime seems kind of quaintly dated nowadays, its also got considerably less of the speed and oomph that the it later mutated into. The Live Style mix they put out a couple of years ago kicks its arse.

Also Green has Oolaa, Midnight and High Rise which always get overlooked. That spiralling high pitched loop in High Rise is marvellous.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I never really got into Choice. I think its because I can't really listen to it without my head singing "Ohhh Eight Nine One! Fifty fifty fifty! Call live party chat now!"

(This will make no sense to people outside the UK)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

its also got considerably less of the speed and oomph that the it later mutated into.

???

"Ooolaa" is pretty good, not a big "Midnight" fan, and I don't think we got "High Rise" in the states.

And though it doesn't even come close to the big two, "Choice" is pretty fabulous. I'm a sucker for dance music with angry political vocal rants, though.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

do you also like "World in Motion" and "Round and Round" more than "Temptation" and "Blue Monday"?

No, I don't.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

well then.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway I look at it (sum of it's parts or otherwise) Green >>> Blue

I just picked The Blue Album yesterday and I'm kind of disappointed. With only 9 tracks I was hoping for some of them to be lengthier (a la InSides). Only 3 of them I felt were really quality songs (Transient, Pants & You Lot) and Acid Pants is the most irritating track they've ever done. One Perfect Sunrise (with it's '94 Chemical Brothers-esque title) would've been great 10 years ago, but now just reminds me of the music from Gladiator!

All in all - a let down of a final release from one of my all time favourite groups.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i prefer the original slower 'Chime' to the faster live version but recognise that the sped up version works better in the live context

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"Chime" and "Belfast" are so massively overrated it isn't even funny.
"Chime" -- absolutely. I would be OK not hearing that song ever again.
"Belfast" is UNDERrated if anything ... they never played it live as much as they should since it's gentler (=not very "banging") than most of their stuff. I doubt the casual Orbital fan even knows the song.

"Belfast" is the most gorgeous, tear-jerking thing they ever did, save perhaps "Attatched" or the first minute of "Way Out" or the last four minutes of "Out There Somewhere". I put it #3 on my 90's ballot.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 14 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

#2 here, and if I was being totally completely honest it would have been #1. "Chime" was my #5.

I can't fathom this "Chime" hating. What do you people have against euphoria, anyway?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not that I hate it at all, and I doubt it's that anyone hates it, it's just that it's a bit... one dimensional compared to their best stuff.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Awesome doesn't need two dimensions, Southall.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

But the more dimensions of awesome there are = the more awesome!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Not when the one-dimensional awesomeness crushes either of the dimensions of the two-dimensional's awesomeness when it's awesomeness is removed from the other dimension's awesomeness.

YEAH WHAT

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, PERSONAL PREFERENCE!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheater.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Playing five-a-side tonight I scored a goal from my own area when I was in goal for my stint! 40 yards! Screamer! I dedicate goal to you, Dr Bill, for love of the Orbital music.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If anything the best tracks on Middle Of Nowhere ("Spare Parts Express", "Know Where To Run", "Nothing Left") have too many hooks! It's like this scary mandelbrot set of nothing but hooks! Or actually more like that terrifying psychedelic boat ride in Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory. "Nothing Left" as a whole would probably be up there with the live version of "Impact (The Earth Is Burning)" as the duo's ultimate statement for me.

In fact the live tracks I have on my In Sides bonus disc ("Satan" running into "Impact (The Earth Is Burning)" running into "Chime") eliminates the need to listen to any of Orbital's pre-Brown recorded work.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 15 October 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's great to run to.

-- Forksclovetofu (forksclovetof...), October 13th, 2004 9:13 PM.

Fuck yeah it is. Orbital is the best music to run to ever. Oooh I used to love running in the dark in the suburbs to the sound of the entire Box EP...I can hear it in my head right now.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 15 October 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Still listening to it, still fucking ace. Is it Orbital's most outright enjoyable and fun record? It's really dense, but dense with hooks as Tim said. I love how a lot of it, especially track 2 (Spare Parts Express? I can't remember any titles bar the first and last track for definite, cos I couldn't find the tracklisting for about a week after I bought it, so learnt them nameless, as it were) sounds like a big machine happily making spectacular things - the hi-hat sounds are very obviously fake and sound like gases being vented a lot of the time, and the grooves and other sonics are quite industrial sounding (not the genre). It reminds me of BERTHA a lot of the time. The beats are very meaty too.

The more I liste to this the more tempted I am to say it's my fabvourite Orbital record, if favourite means the one you listen to and enjoy most.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stephenbalchin/bertha.jpg

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"the hi-hat sounds are very obviously fake and sound like gases being vented a lot of the time, and the grooves and other sonics are quite industrial sounding"

Yes! I wrote something a long time ago about how the percussion on "Spare Parts Express" and "Nothing Left" was really quite unusual - not house, not techno, not breakbeat, not IDM, but somewhere in between all of these (and kinda like an update of early nineties' 808 States'syncopated house rhythms). The percussion on "Nothing Left" makes me think of an enormous machine unpacking and repacking thousands of boxes really quickly.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)


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