Yet another book and website does a Best Album Of All Time Poll & The Winner is....

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as voted by the book of British Hit Singles and Albums and NME.com.

1: Definitely Maybe - Oasis
2: Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
3: Revolver - The Beatles
4: OK Computer - Radiohead
5: (What's the Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
6: Nevermind - Nirvana
7: The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
8: Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
9: The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths
10: The Bends - Radiohead


Oasis' 1994 debut album, Definitely Maybe, has been voted the greatest album of all time in a music poll.

The album, which featured hits Live Forever and Supersonic, beat the Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band into second place.

Some 40,000 music fans were asked to name their favourite work in a survey by the book of British Hit Singles and Albums and NME.com.

Fans could make their own choice, and did not have to select from a list.

The survey marks 50 years of the Official UK Albums Chart.


10 BEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME
1: Definitely Maybe - Oasis
2: Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
3: Revolver - The Beatles
4: OK Computer - Radiohead
5: (What's the Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
6: Nevermind - Nirvana
7: The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
8: Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
9: The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths
10: The Bends - Radiohead

British Hit Singles and Albums editor David Roberts said: "Usually these polls are full of records that people have only just bought because they are freshest in the mind.

"But this poll shows that the truly great albums always have longevity.

"Only two albums in the Top 20 were released in the last five years, so the voters have clearly thought long and hard about their decision."

Up the Bracket, the 2002 debut by Pete Doherty's former band The Libertines, was the newest album in the top 20 in 15th place.

Only two albums by US bands appeared in the top 20.

Nirvana came sixth with Nevermind and The Strokes were 20th with Is This It.

Definitely Maybe, which cost £85,000 ($158,000) to produce, was released in August 1994 and topped the British chart a week later.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hadn't realized Nirvana were British.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Only two albums by US bands appeared in the top 20.
Nirvana came sixth with Nevermind and The Strokes were 20th with Is This It.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely.

max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

And its a best albums ever poll. Not best british albums.
But for some reason theres not much american stuff in it just now.
Anyone got the full poll? (DJ Martian to thread)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Pssh sentence, here..

"Only two albums in the Top 20 were released in the last five years, so the voters have clearly thought long and hard about their decision."

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

google is your friend:

1. Definitely Maybe, Oasis

2. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, The Beatles

3. Revolver, The Beatles

4. OK Computer, Radiohead

5. (What's The Story) Morning Glory?, Oasis

6. Nevermind, Nirvana

7. The Stone Roses, The Stone Roses

8. Dark Side Of The Moon, Pink Floyd

9. The Queen Is Dead, Smiths

10. The Bends, Radiohead

11. The Joshua Tree, U2

12. London Calling, The Clash

13. The Beatles (The White Album), The Beatles

14. Abbey Road, The Beatles

15. Up The Bracket, The Libertines

16. Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols, Sex Pistols

17. Four Symbols (Led Zeppelin IV), Led Zeppelin

18. The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars, David Bowie

19. A Night At The Opera, Queen

20. Is This It, The Strokes

21. Hot Fuss, The Killers

22. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

23. Grace, Jeff Buckley

24. The Holy Bible, Manic Street Preachers

25. Bat Out Of Hell, MeatLoaf

26. Appetite For Destruction, Guns N' Roses

27. Employment, Kaiser Chiefs

28. Rubber Soul, The Beatles

29. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac

30. The Libertines, The Libertines

31. Urban Hymns, The Verve

32. American Idiot, Green Day

33. A Rush Of Blood To The Head, Coldplay

34. Parklife, Blur

35. Thriller, Michael Jackson

36. The Wall, Pink Floyd

37. Automatic For The People, R.E.M.

38. Franz Ferdinand, Franz Ferdinand

39. Tubular Bells, Mike Oldfield

40. Achtung Baby, U2

41. Wish You Were Here, Pink Floyd

42. Exile On Main Street, The Rolling Stones

43. Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel

44. Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin

45. Parallel Lines, Blondie

46. Brothers In Arms, Dire Straits

47. Blood On The Tracks, Bob Dylan

48. Hunky Dory, David Bowie

49. X&Y, Coldplay

50. Who's Next, The Who

51. Hopes And Fears, Keane

52. Parachutes, Coldplay

53. Arrival, Abba

54. Different Class, Pulp

55. The Velvet Underground & Nico, The Velvet Underground

56. Forever Changes, Love

57. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

58. Let It Bleed, The Rolling Stones

59. Elephant, The White Stripes

60. Doolittle, Pixies

61. Absolution, Muse

62. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Elton John

63. Sheer Heart Attack, Queen

64. Come On Over, Shania Twain

65. Sign 'o' The Times, Prince

66. Ten, Pearl Jam

67. Kasabian, Kasabian

68. Dookie, Green Day

69. Origin Of Symmetry, Muse

70. Hounds Of Love, Kate Bush

71. Blonde On Blonde, Bob Dylan

72. All Mod Cons, The Jam

73. Blue, Joni Mitchell

74. White Blood Cells, The White Stripes

75. Dog Man Star, Suede

76. Metallica (the Black Album), Metallica

77. Dare!, Human League

78. Closer, Joy Division

79. In Utero, Nirvana

80. Back In Black, AC/DC

81. Funeral, Arcade Fire

82. Up All Night, Razorlight

83. Ray Of Light, Madonna

84. Born To Run, Bruce Springsteen

85. Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin

86. Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not, Arctic Monkeys

87. A Day At The Races, Queen

88. The Lexicon Of Love, ABC

89. Spice, Spice Girls

90. Violator, Depeche Mode

91. Final Straw, Snow Patrol

92. Electric Warrior, T. Rex

93. Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette

94. Unknown Pleasures, Joy Division

95. Kid A, Radiohead

96. Out Of The Blue, Electric Light Orchestra

97. The Smiths, The Smiths

98. Electric Ladyland, Jimi Hendrix

99. Rage Against The Machine, Rage Against The Machine

100. Hotel California, Eagles

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

67. Kasabian, Kasabian

68. Dookie, Green Day

69. Origin Of Symmetry, Muse

Aaaargghhh!!!!

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

seems to me that english music pubs (and maybe english fans) are becoming increasingly defensive or nativist.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

this list is like a ghastly combo of NME & Q & Classic Rock mag and Virgin & Xfm radio stations

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh, britishpaws

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Not to be that guy, but first instance of a woman (permanent band member) comes at number 28, and first person of color (permanent band member) at number 15.

max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

86. Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not, Arctic Monkeys

wasn't this Top 5 All-Time in another Brit poll like 2 months ago?

erklie (erklie), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's almost as if the record-buying public is fickle. FICKLE, I say!

erklie (erklie), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nice to see Strawberry Switchblade in there.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

101st on the poll was a rare sound recording of The Paddingtons wanking into a tin bucket.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Once again there would be absolutely nothing wrong with the results of the poll if it had been called "Favourite Albums of All Time" rather than "Best". If popularity had anything to do with being the best, then doesn't that mean that the Backstreet Boys (sorry, showing my age), et al would be part of the crowd?

Sorry to play my broken record again.

shorty (shorty), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

damn, british people be fallin' off the wrong side of the meat wagon and shit.

Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

This about says it all:

15. Up The Bracket, The Libertines
16. Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols, Sex Pistols

And what is says is "bollocks"!

Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

wait wait wait...lemme get this straight...Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles are in, but England Dan and John Ford Coley are not...is that what I'm seeing here?...

(*removes glasses, rubs eyes and re-focusses*)

that can't be right...

hank (hank s), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I personally am amazed at the absence of Wok Not Before Shitake

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Keane at 51? Oh what the fuck is this?!

Harrison Barr (Petar), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

PUBLIC IN LIKING WHAT IS POPULAR AND MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SHOCKER

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Just noticed that British people apparently think the following 10 bands merit (often multiple) "Best Album" status over The Cure, which isn't anywhere to be found.

The Libertines
The Killers
The Strokes
Kaiser Chiefs
Coldplay
Keane
Muse
Kasabian
Arctic Monkeys
Spice Girls

Which once again proves my point that British people don't know anything about music.

Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Fans could make their own choice, and did not have to select from a list.

perhaps one day ILM's polls will emulate the democratic model of NME.com

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Make that 11: Just noticed Snow Patrol

Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

They say that Definitely Maybe cost £85,000 to produce as if that was peanuts... I'm astounded Creation had that kind of money to spend on recordings at that time. Or were they already tied up with Sony at that point?

Officer Pupp, Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

MBV Loveless was more costly [but not on this poll]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loveless

The album itself cost about £100,000, but the recording process took three years and cost £250,000, resulting in two EPs (Glider and Tremolo, on which "Soon" and "To Here Knows When" made their first appearances) and four music videos, and nearly bankrupting their label.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Reading that full list made me throw up in my mouth a little.

yer mam! (yer mam!), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can't argue that the great british public has shit taste.

Does anyone remember the HMV/Channel Four HUGE poll that ran for months and was shown live on tv with Bob Geldof moaning that it was a disgrace primal scream was in it as they just ripped off the stones and that the stones dylan and beatles were the only bands who deserved to be in the top 10. He also said the stone roses shouldnt be in it as that was only in it because of the time it was from and people were nostalgic for it but it actually had no merit being in the top 100 at all and that Sgt peppers deserved to win( a period piece of nostalgia if i ever saw one).
I forgot what a prick Geldof was.

And justine from elastica was there saying "yeah of course i've heard a kind of blue" at the token jazz entry.

If someone has those poll results then please post them!
Those were seriously bad.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

How come British musicians seem so much more entertaining personally? I mean, I want a reality show with the Gallagher brothers, Geldoff, the Reid bros, Billy Childish and Mark E. Smith. Provide all the liquor and drugs they could handle and then make 'em do kareoke or something. I'd watch it every day.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

too bone the part wing are need. but step but shame cat are back. the hate is hand
adjustment are crack.
but behavior too boiling tall must shirt. to cushion must edge government and
potato. ! to living or safe hour but pleasure.
if rule but silver fat must stone.

PappaWheelie B.C., Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

FOUND IT!
From 1997

The 100 most popular albums of all time according to a "Music of the Millennium" poll of 360,000 British record buyers
Conducted by the Channel 4 network and HMV record store chain


1997 Britons' Top 100 Albums

Ranking Artist / Band Album Title Release
1 Beatles, The Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967
2 Stone Roses, The The Stone Roses 1989
3 Beatles, The Revolver 1966
4 Radiohead The Bends 1995
5 Oasis (What's The Story) Morning Glory? 1995
6 Pink Floyd (The) Dark Side Of The Moon 1973
7 Radiohead OK Computer 1997
8 Nirvana Nevermind 1991
9 Morrison, Van Astral Weeks 1968
10 Beatles, The The Beatles (White Album) 1968
11 Dylan, Bob Blood On The Tracks 1975
12 Beatles, The Abbey Road 1969
13 Davis, Miles Kind Of Blue 1959
14 Oasis Definitely Maybe 1994
15 Smiths, The The Queen Is Dead 1986
16 Dylan, Bob Blonde On Blonde 1966
17 Gaye, Marvin What's Going On 1971
18 R.E.M. Automatic For The People 1992
19 U2 The Joshua Tree 1987
20 Bowie, David The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust 1972
21 Massive Attack Blue Lines 1991
22 Velvet Underground, The The Velvet Underground & Nico 1967
23 Fleetwood Mac Rumours 1977
24 Sex Pistols, The Never Mind The Bollocks 1977
25 Prodigy, The The Fat Of The Land 1997
26 Beach Boys, The Pet Sounds 1966
27 Dylan, Bob Highway 61 Revisited 1965
28 Morissette, Alanis Jagged Little Pill 1995
29 Portishead Dummy 1994
30 Oasis Be Here Now 1997
31 Hendrix, Jimi Electric Ladyland 1968
32 Primal Scream Screamadelica 1991
33 Simon, Paul Graceland 1986
34 Pulp Different Class 1995
35 Mitchell, Joni Blue 1971
36 Clash, The London Calling 1979
37 Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water 1970
38 Rolling Stones, The Exile On Main Street 1972
39 Beatles, The Rubber Soul 1965
40 Manic Street Preachers Everything Must Go 1996
41 Love Forever Changes 1968
42 Captain Beefheart Trout Mask Replica 1969
43 Bowie, David Hunky Dory 1971
44 Reed, Lou Transformer 1972
45 Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 1975
46 Springsteen, Bruce Born To Run 1975
47 Meat Loaf Bat Out Of Hell 1977
48 Blur Parklife 1994
49 Pink Floyd The Wall 1979
50 Rolling Stones, The Let It Bleed 1969
51 Joy Division Closer 1980
52 Wonder, Stevie Songs In The Key Of Life 1976
53 Verve, The Urban Hymns 1997
54 U2 Achtung Baby 1991
55 Michael, George Older 1996
56 Pixies, The Doolittle 1989
57 Clash, The The Clash 1977
58 Marley, Bob Legend 1984
59 Dire Straits Brothers In Arms 1985
60 Band, The The Band (Brown Album) 1969
61 Prodigy, The Music For The Jilted Generation 1994
62 Spice Girls Spice 1996
63 Leftfield Leftism 1995
64 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin IV 1971
65 Hendrix, Jimi Are You Experienced? 1967
66 Manic Street Preachers The Holy Bible 1994
67 Jackson, Michael Thriller 1982
68 Young, Neil After The Goldrush 1970
69 Queen A Night At The Opera 1975
70 Doors, The The Doors 1967
71 King, Carole Tapestry 1971
72 Prince Sign O' The Times 1987
73 Oldfield, Mike Tubular Bells 1973
74 Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti 1975
75 Joy Division Unknown Pleasures 1979
76 Dylan, Bob Bringing It All Back Home 1965
77 Sinatra, Frank Songs For Swingin' Lovers! 1955
78 Smith, Patti Horses 1975
79 Bush, Kate Hounds Of Love 1985
80 Smiths, The Hatful Of Hollow (Compilation) 1984
81 Lennon, John Imagine 1971
82 Suede Dog Man Star 1994
83 Smiths, The The Smiths 1984
84 Ocean Colour Scene, The Moseley Shoals 1996
85 Beck Odelay 1996
86 Buckley, Jeff Grace 1994
87 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II 1969
88 Tricky Maxinquaye 1995
89 Morrison, Van Moondance 1970
90 Coltrane, John A Love Supreme 1964
91 Björk Debut 1993
92 Public Enemy It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back 1988
93 R.E.M. Out Of Time 1991
94 Television Marquee Moon 1977
95 Amos, Tori Little Earthquakes 1992
96 Jackson, Michael History, Volume 1 1995
97 DJ Shadow Endtroducing... 1996
98 Verve, The A Northern Soul 1995
99 Eagles, The Hotel California 1976
100 John, Elton Goodbye Yellow Brick Road 1973


Any US equivalent to compare?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Which poll do you prefer the 1997 or 2006 one?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

'Only two albums by US bands appeared in the top 20.

Nirvana came sixth with Nevermind and The Strokes were 20th with Is This It.'

Yeah, but it's really like 3 since The Killers is #21.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

39. Tubular Bells, Mike Oldfield

Oh man. This list is just awesome.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

21. Hot Fuss, The Killers

22. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

*kills self*

grady (grady), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've always thought of Oasis as the british version of Bon Jovi. Popular, but not considered classic. Am I wrong about this? Do a lot of critics really think they are great? Should I go back, and listen more closely, or is it a cultural thing?

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hadn't realized Nirvana were British.

They were. The best of the two Nirvana's that is.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Which poll do you prefer the 1997 or 2006 one?

Well, the 1997 one at least has something else besides rock on it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

That 1997 poll - I'm pretty sure it was at least partly voted for by the Great and the Good of The Biz. Somehow I just can't see a public-only vote putting Trout Mask Replica at no. 42

eyesteel (eyesteel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

MOJO readers wield power!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

The other Nirvana were half-Greek, no?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

Also, re. that 1997 poll: mildly interesting how so many entries underperformed commercially at the time of their release, or in the cases of, for example, What's Going On?, Kind Of Blue, Astral Weeks and Velvets & Nico, never charted in Britain at all.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

And the Stone Roses album only made the top ten last year thanks to its being 20p in the HMV sale for one week!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

So?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

No, that was Peter Gabriel's biggest-selling album.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

british student indie kids should die by the thousands

-- Ganbare Goemon (jonathan.williams@gee

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

What, you mean like Bogshed?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

There's something nasty in the bogshed. It's great though innit that for all its many ills, the list still has Electric Warrior on it.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the 1997 one at least has something else besides rock on it.

So this this year's list. None of these are "rock" albums:


2. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band, The Beatles

3. Revolver, The Beatles

13. The Beatles (The White Album), The Beatles

14. Abbey Road, The Beatles

22. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

28. Rubber Soul, The Beatles

34. Parklife, Blur

35. Thriller, Michael Jackson

43. Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel

45. Parallel Lines, Blondie

51. Hopes And Fears, Keane

53. Arrival, Abba

54. Different Class, Pulp

57. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

62. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Elton John

65. Sign 'o' The Times, Prince

70. Hounds Of Love, Kate Bush

73. Blue, Joni Mitchell

77. Dare!, Human League

83. Ray Of Light, Madonna

88. The Lexicon Of Love, ABC

89. Spice, Spice Girls

90. Violator, Depeche Mode

96. Out Of The Blue, Electric Light Orchestra

100. Hotel California, Eagles


They may not be your cup of tea (most are pop albums) but "rock" they aren't.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

They're all dubstep innit.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

Everyones definition of rock seems to be different.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Tried it once in Blackpool done my teeth in yeah?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Thats the kind of rock i like! Except i've not had any in years.
Same with edinburgh rock.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

One..ROCK
Two..ROCKS!!
Three.ROCKS!!!!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/edinburgh-rock-p-57.html
http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/gfx/edin0001.jpg

Looks so tasty!


Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

marcello - you funny man. PS Anyone remember dance music?

lexurian (lexurian), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Everyones definition of rock seems to be different.

Sure, but if your definition of rock is "not hip-hop/dance" then that definition is just wrong.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

That's no-one's definition though, is it?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Meh it's all music.
x-post.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Horst Wessel Song to thread.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

That's no-one's definition though, is it?

Dunno, but Tuomas obviously defines Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Madonna, Spice Girls, Depeche Mode, ELO, ABC and Human League as "rock".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

The Beatles aren't rock? The Eagles aren't rock? And yeah, my definition of rock is pretty much "not hip-hop/dance", because I don't care about it.

(x-post)

Okay, let's say the 1997 list has much more "non-rock", you pedant!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

The Beatles aren't rock. Apart from a few tracks ("Helter Skelter", "Come Together"....) The Beatles aren't rock. They were cocnsidered pop in the 60s, and pop they still are today.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Wagner rocks.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Just noticed that British people apparently think the following 10 bands merit (often multiple) "Best Album" status over The Cure, which isn't anywhere to be found.

(snip)

I love The Cure, but Coldplay are even better. :)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Coldplay are MoR, not rock.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Coldplay are just shite.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

Some People like to Rock
Some People like to roll
Some people like to argue about the terminology
let's have a Party

Elvis Presley (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

I've always thought of Oasis as the british version of Bon Jovi. Popular, but not considered classic. Am I wrong about this? Do a lot of critics really think they are great? Should I go back, and listen more closely, or is it a cultural thing?

-- nicky lo-fi (ilmforsure@ya

I'm not really sure if critics think Oasis are great or not, over here they are still the sort of band whose albums, uselessly, get decent copy in the mainstream press because of their perceived size/pull. I don't think they're the UK equivalent of Bon Jovi, though. Bon Jovi are, or at least have been a massive global act, and Oasis are not and never will be. It isn't too difficult to see why, either - Bon Jovi's songs all sound like Bon Jovi songs, whereas a significant # of Oasis songs are suspiciously similar to (read:"obviously appropriated from") older pop/rock "classic" radio hit numbers.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Elvis Presleys was country and western Entertainer.

Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oasis are the UK equivalent of Black Crowes (and their songs that people pretend sound like the Beatles or Mott the Hoople or Slade or whoever sound a lot more like Oasis than like those bands, just like the Black Crowes songs that people pretend sound like the Stones or Allmans or whoever.)

xhuxk, Friday, 2 June 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oasis were critical darlings (when they were good) for the 1st couple of albums.
Now, like Coldplay, they just get mega coverage due to selling more mags when in said them, but don't get great reviews.
Though noone ever slags them of Really.
Be Here Now even got 9/10 from NME when it came out.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

X & Y got 9/10 in the NME as well. I'm not sure how this translates as "not great reviews".

(Using the NME because that's who ran the poll, therefore likely to be the review of choice for yer average voter)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

NME were told to give it 9/10, though (see David Cavanagh's Creation Records book for full story).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Well IIRC Whats the story only got 6/10 in NME.
Coldplay was a crap analogy as I think they did win an album of the year for NME too.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

6 or 7/10 for WTS

Coldplay's second album was indeed NME's album of the year 2002.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Well IIRC Whats the story only got 6/10 in NME.

But that was in the last fleeting moments before they became The Most Important British Band Since The Beatles(TM) after Wonderwall took over the radio and subsequently the entire country circa Xmas '95.

Venga (Venga), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oasis blew it with the critics, when their appalling arogance became unbearable, and their music a coke-fuelled turgid mess.

lexurian (lexurian), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Of the thousands of classic albums (rock or otherwise) released by US artists during the 20th century, these are the pinnacles of achievement per the British public:

Nirvana - Nevermind
The Strokes - Is This It
The Killers - Hot Fuss

I'm almost certain this is Bush's fault.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I wonder how many UK bands would get in the American equivalent. Maybe the really big old acts would but I bet the smiths, joy division, Stone Roses etc wouldnt if it was a general public vote.

I wonder what these polls would look like if 25 million people voted instead of 25 thousand.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

6 or 7/10 for WTS

Yep, it was 7/10. (And The Great Escape got 10/10!)

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

And what would ILM give it? ;)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I wonder how many UK bands would get in the American equivalent. Maybe the really big old acts would but I bet the smiths, joy division, Stone Roses etc wouldnt if it was a general public vote.

-- Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (pfunkbo...), June 2nd, 2006.

That really wasn't my point tho - in a US poll, I doubt *every* British band prior to 1991 would face an absolute shut-out...

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

And what would ILM give it? ;)

You keep talking like ILM is a singular mass of conforming opinion.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

It is Bush's fault. Goddamn Gavin Rossdale goin' and knockin' up Gwen Stefani, and all of a sudden the British public is all like "Ooh-The Killers are the best American band ever," and shit. Goddamn Bush. Started this whole mess in the first place with their whole "We're British, but we sound like Pearl Jam" and shit. Fuck 'em.

Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I just realised i have 51/100 of the new poll.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

65/100 of the 1997 poll.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

much to my shame i've owned 51 of those.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

How many in the 1997 list?

I wonder which albums we both own, Justyn. (apart from the manics)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

prob more or less the same ones!

101. juliana hatfield - in exile deo

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

My tastes have defintely got more obscure in the 9 years since that HMV/CH4 poll.

I have probably bought more "new" bands albums in that time but none are on that new list. Apart from those white stripes and strokes albums I have. None of which i'd have in the top 100 anyway.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

58/100 newpoll
69/100 '97 poll

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)


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