"Ghost Ride The Whip" YouTube videos: C/D?

??? Um, not sure i follow. We're surely not talking about Neutral Milk Hotel fans here. (although the idea of a subculture of NMH fans driving airplanes into bodies of water while sticking their heads inside half a large gourd would be off the fucking wall.)

If you're referring to drug use, sure that's dangerous, but this doesn't have the larger issue of involving anyone else or their property in the way of their nefarious activity. Sure, the larger mob scene does. But not individual users. Guys who try to ghost-whip-ride who don't know better will, at best, run their cars into someone's bushes.. at worst, run over a couple of people, which is fucked.

Totally classic when the above happens. For your Darwin consideration

The cars are moving pretty slow. I mean the latter is a possibility, but. . . well I was gonna say that there would have to be some pretty stupid people on both sides of the equation but ya know there are so. . .

I don't know about NMH, but between drugs, sex, violence, etc, most people can agree that even mainstream popular music has endorsed some at least mildly dangerous concepts and behaviors (and that's not even getting near the extreme edge of music.)

This is just kind of dumb / basic-level stupid on that way that inevitably winds up on Montel or something. People are bound to do stupid shit, yes, but surely we can all agree that we'd prefer they didn't do their stupid shit with cars. (Or guns, or crossbows, or heights of more than 10 feet, etc.)

not as sure about this as I used to be - though "held responsible," tricky phrase, obviously I think an artist has an absolute right to say anything he wants: but responsibility as a philosophical point, not one hinging on legal questions of culpability, is rather different. I mean, free will's absolute, nobody has to ghost ride the whip if they don't want to, but "Ghost ride the whip!" is in the imperative or hortatory voice here: does an artist really bear no ethical responsibility for somebody who, say, had heard of the whole thing but wasn't that interested 'til a song on the subject got popular?

I suppose Ethan will wanna call me racist or a rap-hater now since the song here is rap, and by an artist he likes besides, but what the hell - I like E-40 too & please refer to my earlier point about how I believe artists have an absolute right to say what they like: the question I'm asking is strictly philosophical, not practical/legislative/etc

Besides E 40 will never have hurt man the way UB 40 have.

Oh, I meant it in a legal context i.e. they shouldn't have to bow to "we should outlaw certain types of music!" reactionary types.

I do support a general sense of social responsibility for all humans however, no matter what type of career each human has... (or to paraphrase Kool Herc from Can't Stop Won't Stop: nah nah forget "keepin' it real", it's now about "keepin' it right".) It's one thing to talk about things in one music that fans may try to act out in real life.. it's another to exploit that, given enough evidence of people getting hurt as a side effect, and make more money off it and defending oneself as "Look, I'm just tellin' it like it is" as opposed to "Look, I'm a sociopathic motherfucker tryin' to make money. I don't give a shit."

I don't think the latter's been a case I've seen or remembered in a looooong time, excepting cases where artists were more known for being weird cult member/murderers before being known as artists, that is e.g. Manson, Koresh, etc.

Some may say Eazy or NWA qualified at one point, after Straight Outta Comptom.. can't immediately respond to that one. I never met Eazy, so I can't say personally. This can easily segue into The General Sleaze And Fucked-Up-itude Of The Music Industry type discussions, of course.

I suppose Ethan will wanna call me racist or a rap-hater now since the song here is rap, and by an artist he likes besides, but what the hell - I like E-40 too & please refer to my earlier point about how I believe artists have an absolute right to say what they like: the question I'm asking is strictly philosophical, not practical/legislative/etc

??? Not sure why Ethan had to be dragged out here. Why would he think you're a racist for saying that?

"Compton" of course, although let the inevitable "A Comptom coulda saved Eazy's life" jokes fly.

This thread is way less fun than it should be.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YPNJjL9iznY

Ghost ride, ghost ride
Get out the way, let Casper drive!
Ghost ride, go crazy
Who's that drivin? Patrick Swayze!

the one where the dude rides his pickup into a telephone poll is pretty great.