Survey: Why Does Everyone Hate Rap?

But I still think Shinoda can outrap Durst anyday.

I guess what I'm saying is, I like my rap diluted, with some other form of music blended with it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a saint. My mouth can be pretty foul at times, but Christ!

This must be parody. God, let this be parody...

I never lost my appreciation for the Beastie Boyz, Run-DMC, and the inventors of hip-hop theirselves, The Sugarhill Gang.

Haha, this just keeps on giving!

BLACK PEOPLE WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING RAP?
Jesus. Are the scare quotes around 'black community' to let us know that he's using it ironically?

Yeah, this is certainly one of my themes. 2Pac is another rapper who I'm not that familiar with, but I've heard he has both pro- and antimisogyny songs, can anyone give some examples?

-- Tuomas (tuomas.alh...), November 23rd, 2005.

This is a treasure trove.

You lie, I was never THAT bad. Oh wait.

Actually one of the best things I did when I was the entertainment editor at the New U at UC Irvine -- this was back in 1995 or so -- was to get a rap reviewer on staff, and thankfully a new writer joined and was expressly interested in that. He and I started alternating a weekly column instead of it being just me week after week, because I knew full well that he had a much better knowledge of the music than I did, and because what he was covering would be of more interest to the campus in general than my usual favorites. Great guy! Ray Lie, if you're out there, ya rule.

I guess this never gets old for some people.

(back to the message board— "I do not like rap, and (being a music major) I do not acknowledge rap as a form of music,"

I guess music majors have just barely gotten around to considering madrigals a form of music, what with all their multipart harmonies fucking up the pure liturgies.)

i'm not sure why we care what "the galactic senate" thinks about rap.

holy shit.

Be mindful...

W3RD

Main Entry: mu·sic
Pronunciation: 'myü-zik
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
Date: 13th century
1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, and harmony

Note: something is not music unless it has two things, or one of two things: instruments and/or singing.

not to defend the writer or that article, but I have a hard time with rap too. I just don't get it. I do try to listen to some, so don't think I'm totally ignorant. every now and then I'll find a song or two by Cee-lo or kanye or somebody that I'll like for a month or two, but I've never been smitten, so to speak. not even by the beastie boys. I do like a little buck 65 and sage francis. but again, its all kind of flavor of the month.

one thing that really annoys me is the "look at me, I'm big shit" rap. it seems like every major artist has got 1 or 2 (or more!) of these types of songs where they can't shut up for two seconds about how cool they are. how egotistical do you have to be? talk is cheap. there are a million interesting topics out there you could be inspired to write about. if you're really that cool, then you wouldn't need to shout it out from the highest mountain.

32% grill fiends
20% DIED when he was doing doughnuts in a convenience store parking lot at 2 am
18% sonned by a wite kid in an AOL beef
18% original grime bloger massive
7% didn't understand the question
5% black people who wants to rock

Well, I'm no expert, but I think that's just part of the genre. Why are there so many pop songs about pining for love? There are so many other things they could write about!

That's how I think of it anyway. It's a genre convention, and it's not necessarily "sincere," although that isn't to say that it's meant to be funny or ironic. It's like action movies and what have you - there's some suspension of disbelief involved, I think.

"Because it's some guy with a speech impediment talking to a beat with a repetitive melody? And maybe I don't care won't some "nigga homie" did with a glock at nine o' clock in his schmock at some foo's pad around da block. That's his business not mine."

A shoe-sock. An article of clothing that can be worn like a shoe but washed like a sock.

I love wearing shmocks, if I step in dog poo I can throw them in the washer and then the dryer like a pair of socks.

Dude's been reading ILM.

This poster is the drummer for Gay Dad.

I'd say its more like the internet version of a pileup. One forum after another smashing into one thread, utterly mystified at the display of human nature at its most sad and hilarious.

love songs are different. Sure, the love song is a genre convention in pop. but every genre has love songs and the love song rarely involves shameless ego stroking.

Well marbles, I can understand your distaste. I'm not much into hip hop. I have produced some hip hop recordings though, and I like to think I have some slight understanding of how it works.

It just seems like a lot of negative reactions to hip-hop focus on these kinds of superficial genre-signifier elements. I think there are good boast-raps and bad ones. You know, a good rhyme is a good rhyme as far as I'm concerned - the subject matter is rarely essential to my enjoyment.

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From: Heli0s Cr33d
Date: May 31, 2006 10:44 AM

the death of good black music?

yes HIP HOP? how much talent dose it really take. so sad when i think off all those great black people who made some of the best music in history be moved aside by people that have hardly any talent at all. oh they could talk over a sample, hey it dosen't take a to much to do that? but learn to play an instrument or really sing a good song? well i just want to say to my black brothers out there. fuckers what in the fuck happened?I need your input on shit..,.,., and i miss the talent man....hendrix or funkadelic and much much more?

Is this like a Mormon Star Wars board or something?

Maybe because it sucks?

i somewhat inadvertantly set off a minor shitstorm in my office when i sort of pooh-poohed the dj star story -- obviously the guy is a dick, but everyone in my office was acting like he was actually going to go and kill a little girl. because, you know, hip-hop people are very violent. (never mind that star's shock-jock, not hip-hop.) when i suggested that maybe possibly that whole "they're so violent" meme was a tad overheated, the reaction was like if i'd suddenly come out as a closet creationist. i had a whole room of middle-aged liberal white people openly mocking me. that was interesting. i forget how much of that shit is still out there. or try to forget, anyway. it's never long before i'm reminded.

That would explain why one them considers The Phantom Menace to be the finest film.

I think I spend too much time here, because encountering things like that always makes me feel unable to articulate exactly how fucking stupid and weird those attitudes are.
Maybe it's that I used to feel the same way about country but got the fuck over it when I actually started listening to country and enjoying it. Because it's not like, "Well, rap's just not my bag, y'know?" which I can accept on some level (I don't really get female singer/songwriters, no matter how many of them I get sent promos for), but always the justifications of "It's not music/it's all about violence and sex/those people only care about bling (and I care about something higher, like Tool's ponderous excursions into no-neck prog and politics)."

"Because it's some guy with a speech impediment talking to a beat with a repetitive melody? And maybe I don't care won't some "nigga homie" did with a glock at nine o' clock in his schmock at some foo's pad around da block. That's his business not mine."

I just don't like it for many reasons. I'll tell you a few that may not get rap likers offended. It's just not my style. That's a sad reason but it's only one of many. Another is that so many people like rap it just gets old. I prefer to just be an individual and not like everyone else. Another is that, not all of you please remember that, most people like rap just to be cool or follow the crowd.

I wouldn't be too hard on people who write in teenage dialect.

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