Does anybody really love music?

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Sounds like Uri just got dumped...

....but by music???? Not likely.

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i don't really love music. i'm not even sure do i like it. i can live without it. i sing to myself a lot though, and obv i like/love a small selection (relative to what's out there) of pieces.

but im not sure the great/good music justifies the entire gamut. in fact imo it definitely doesn't.

strict controls on the production of music imo.

prompted by kerr trying to smother me in scottish country and western music, but i mean it could have been anything really.

i've noticed you struggle with this notion lately.

no reason for people to love music any more than any other cultural product really.

i wd say that music is something more than and different to its commodification, consumption and taxonomy tho

prompted by kerr trying to smother me in scottish country and western music

Kerr does not really love that music

i think there's a lot of people on I Love Music who don't really love "Music" but maybe it's not possible to love "Music"

i think people who are worried about coolness are not in love with "Music" probably. i think people with strict rules - conscious or subconscious - about what makes music "good" or "bad" probably don't love "Music".

it's just some daft stuff i've been pondering. the cool kids can get on with their card indexes, obv.

i feel like taste and its popular expression as cool are pretty pernicious ideas in terms of inhibiting processes, whether those be processes of creation or apprehension.

"I Like a Subset of Music and Sometimes for Reasons that are Extramusical" wd be better board name

then have a spin-off called "I Love Listening"

tho thinking about it i guess it's interesting to think about sociocultural aspects of music sometimes, if you have evidence-y things to say about them that aren't just projected straight from the top of yr id

i'm sure as i can be that there are some people who love "Music"

excuse me, it's this or NVQing about business-speak

i def shdn't strip the sociocultural context away altogether - i think it's just when people foreground it they bring a bunch of ugly assumptions with them sometimes

xxp to tom i realise that but he flung it at me regardless :)

all that is agreed nv, and obv i've always avoided ilm cos it seems to me (and i'm not claiming this is the actual case, as all such outside judgements of preferential phenomena are fleeting and imperfect and biased obv) that a lot of ppl are inhaling anything new to get on a bandwagon of newness or inhaling anything old to get on a bandwagon of oldness or anything made of plether because plether is the hot new sound this year or w/e. in reality i accept they're clearly much more tolerant of listening to things than i am.

i've noticed you struggle with this notion lately.

not really lately. as i said i play a bit of guitar and i sing a lot around the place (annoying extent, i've no doubt) but even were i to name my ten favourite pieces of music i wouldnt feel any desire to sit and listen to them the way i would eg feel like watching my ten favourite films or reading my ten favourite books.

i've had sublime experiences listening to music, unlike anything else, but less and less as i get older, and not really in a way that compels me the way other media do- i mean i can listen to the same standup routine every night for a week if it's a good one, i frequently re-read selected portions of books i've enjoyed, i have no problem watching a good film twice in a short space of time and at this stage would almost rather re-visit the store of films i know to be great and haven't seen in years than chance a new one.

but even while enjoying a song i'd rather be hearing another, undefined, better one. always on the verge of skipping to the next random piece. i have almost no patience for music, which strikes me as odd in relation to most people and obv very odd indeed relative to most ilxors i think.

it's not just music where i stand with the view that 99% of everything is shite, but out of the big three/four of say music, writing, film, insert your own (mine's football) my tolerance of even the half-decent from the sphere of music is very very low compared to what i'll sit through for 90 mins on screen or how many chapters of a book i'll plough through if i've heard or suspect it might turn out good.

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lol im not looking back to check that, but if such a board were to be created im there for definite

it's odd in relation to ilmors no doubt. but it wd be odd to be equally into everything? to be equally as affected by architecture and music and dance and lolcats isn't in most people's mental makeup i guess.

this is why i'm not one of these "you don't like sports? uggh you weirdo" guys. so much stuff humans and not humans do and only so much time to get into it

i wonder is it related to that thread a few years back where (?) ronan (?) was asking about the balance of good old/meh new music and the ennui or w/e that this can induce, the sheer volume of what's out there and the payback each individual finds in sifting through to get to the nuggets etc etc

but even while enjoying a song i'd rather be hearing another, undefined, better one. always on the verge of skipping to the next random piece. i have almost no patience for music, which strikes me as odd in relation to most people and obv very odd indeed relative to most ilxors i think.

I don't think this is unusual at all; in fact I think it's very, very commonplace right now and is a side-effect of the changing modes of consumption that digital technology and unphysical musical formats have brought about. i.e. playlists and skipping.

I find it a little bizarre that you can sit through films or books though, and revisit them often and frequently; I seldom do this, and in fact we've just essentially halved our VD collection. I spent four and a half hours straight listening to music last night with a load of friends, which is something I do once a week now with my two record clubs. I find reading for prolonged periods incredibly difficult these days, which irritates me, but, I guess because you can semi-consciously do other things while listening, I can and do have music on all the time. But the semi-conscious / semi-attention thing influences what I listen to massively in terms of form / genre; it's a lot of jazz and techno, stuff with no words that inhabits space and occasionally sucks all your attention to it, but not necessarily all the time. I still love a lot of intense, enveloping, really involved stuff (These New Puritans as an example) but they get less stereo-time as a result, because I almost have to manufacture situations in which to listen and engage.

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Well, I sit through films and TV progs often, and pay (almost) full attention (smartphones left in the kitchen sometimes), but I seldom revisit, is what I meant to express.

I don't think this is unusual at all; in fact I think it's very, very commonplace right now and is a side-effect of the changing modes of consumption that digital technology and unphysical musical formats have brought about. i.e. playlists and skipping.

true, but i can't decide if it's just that the technology allows me to do this when i've always wanted to!

smartphones and internet have definitely affected my attention span for reading, not at all for watching movies but then you would have to be a true savage to ilx while watching a movie tbf.

I don't ILX while watching movies, but I do Wiki and IMDB without pausing. Or offer running commentary via Twitter. I'm a disgusting savage in so many ways that appall myself.

the only time i could listen to music now might be a long cycle (which im sure you'd know more about than me) or a run, neither of which i've done lately (and dont feel all that safe doing while cycling tbph)

podcasts have p much taken up whatever small time i might have had for music i think?

Never got into podcasts, at all.

yeh i don't really care for talking books or radio dramas either

in context it would be hypocritical of me to try to convince yis i spose

I'm interested that you use the phrase "the only time I could listen to music", as if something's stopping you at other times?

It would actively annoy or distract me

The car radio is on the blink fwiw

in context it would be hypocritical of me to try to convince yis i spose

lol, i think it's as simple as the fact that with long strings of words i want to see them on a page in front of me. similar to why i find TV docs unsatisfying on the whole except for stuff like natural history where it's a visual experience. in my line of work we call this shit "different learning styles" iirc

I love music because it's not like anything else. It makes me feel things nothing else can make me feel. Is music "art"? Sure, but it's also something a bunch of people can do together. I suppose I could make a Youtube video with my cellphone or whatever, but I doubt I would feel any particular joy in doing so. Singing badly along with a bunch of other people who are singing badly, though, and not caring... that's nice.

I do a lot of podcasts lately myself, because I have a long, boring workday, and I can't sustain the kind of high I get from music for forty hours a week. I still listen to quite a lot of music. And if I don't give it my undivided attention, well, that's part of the appeal of it for me- I don't have to give music my undivided attention. Music is great even when you're ignoring it or only half-listening to it. I seriously doubt I could half-watch Breaking Bad.

And if most music is terrible, what of it? I just don't listen to the bad stuff. It's easier than ever these days.

if you think "most music is terrible" you don't love "Music"

i mean maybe, i don't want to tell you how to live your metaphysical life, man

most music is quite good

I love some music. That's the honest way of putting it.

new borad descrip obv

And if most music is terrible, what of it? I just don't listen to the bad stuff. It's easier than ever these days.

what is easier than ever, tho? avoiding bad music? or finding new music you like?

i dont know if it is easier than ever, or if i dont find any reward in it, or if it's merely the process required to do so in real-time vs the convenience of past music already having been collated and sorted through settling into agreed genres and levels of quality that is more predictably to my taste or not, or etc or etc (but that said, im not very interested in hearing even old music that ought be to my taste according to these and whatever other indicators)

It's OK to not like music much.

i've made peace with it. i was just wondering if it's just close proximity to ilm that had me wondering if it was very strange or otherwise

Everyone should know by now deems hates everything!

i listed at least four things above i quite like to varying degrees tbf

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never heard superchunk, not bothered either tbh

that's okay

its ok to be a slack motherfucker

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i love music, always have, like since a really really young age, and this love for it has always been part of my identity, part of how i spend my free time, part of how i form relationships with others, and for a time my career as well.

sort of don't know anything else - and even beyond all of the ways it's part of my life - i still get a massive buzz from records i love.

i have a much healthier relationship with music since i mostly stopped expressing opinions about it, but that's a personal thing.

i also find the more i become interested or involved in other forms of art, the more it colours in my love for music, eg acting or making theatre i am constantly using music to help me, and it's sort of like all my life of hearing things in a certain way has this whole other outlet.

and it means i get to play bohren und der club of gore to a whole class of drama students.

Music is OK.

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Never feel like skipping - most of the things i play feel like my fav piece of music ever at that second (unless im listening to something i havent heard before in which case i dont know what i think of it just yet tho most new things i love i know i love within 5 seconds)

I don't think I skip much either, usu. see it through to the bitter end

cog we're opposites, but i kind of envy you it tbh

well otoh I dont always give things much of a chance - I almost always know within seconds so if it doesnt click thats often the end of that

take it to the dating thread imo