― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)
― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)
― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Steve Schneeberg (Steve Goldberg), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)
http://cdbaby.com/cd/johnfred
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
Judy in disguise, well that's what you areLemonade pie with a brand new carCantalope eyes come to me tonightJudy in disguise, with glasses
Keep a-wearing your bracelets and your new rah rahCross your heart with your living braA chilly sweet sparrow with guiseJudy in disguise, with glasses
Come to me tonight, come to me tonightI've taken everything in sightUnzipper the strings of my kiteJudy in disguise, hey that's what you areLemonade pie, hey got your brand new carCantalope eyes come to me tonightJudy in disguise, with glasses
Come to me tonight, come to me tonightI've taken everything in sight, unzipper the strings of my kite(Oh, Uh oh, Uhhh)Judy in disguise, what you aiming forA circus or a holiday, that's what you areYou make me laugh about youI guess I'll just take your glasses
― Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)
make sure you get the right one! ruin the song for yourself by comparing for hours!
― Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)
I demand documentation
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)
...THAN most of the stuff those other bands did
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)
I don't know what the heck genre "Judy in Disguise" is. Seems less "frat-rock" to me than Swingin' Medallions or "Farmer John" or something.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)
Hombres: Not Tex-Mex at all in their sound (unlike Sam the Sham, ? and the Mysterians, Sir Douglas), just in their clothes and name.
― Charles Joseph Tarcisius Eddy (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)
― oops I meant xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)
I lump them in with not only the Box Tops (they do Penn/Oldham song, "Out of Left Field" as well as "She Shot a Hole in My Soul" which the BTs also did) [frat-soul-pop with its hipness factor being that "they do cool soul-music covers" so kinda like that whole Carolina Beach-Music aesthetic, except JF were residents of Louisiana]) and with any number of vocal groups like Harpers Bizarre or Spanky & Our Gang. Basically vocal groups who got psyched-out post "Revolver"/"Sgt. Pepper." And also like the Sir Douglas Quintet. JF were far more baroque and the joke was basically that there they were, posing for a picture with their matching uniforms and tubas, and behind them were the familiar hanging-moss LSU trees. They all look like they're stoned or getting ready to get stoned or drunk. Relaxed about the whole thing.
Anyway, it's a really good album, every song is some kind of off-kilter thing, some drollery, and easily as good as 10cc or someone like that from the song titles alone: "Most Unlikely to Succeed," "Agnes English," "Judy in Disguise" and the killer, "AcHenall Riot."
What's great about "Judy in Disguise" is how it treats the overdone pop of the Beatles as ridiculously easy, the bass line is like a beginner's version of a soul bass line. To me, this is about as inspired as some of the tropicalist stuff being done at exactly the same time in another hot climate.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)
― John Fredland (jfredland), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 June 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 June 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)
And considering Judge Judy is from Brooklyn and never lived in Louisiana (Fred's turf), and that she was married when the Fred song was written, I'm not quite buying that she was the Judy that was in disguise.
― Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)
New Jersey Italian machismo in a high-pitched voice p'raps?
― Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)
When I was very young and Lou Christie was in the charts I went under the severely mistaken impression that it was Lou Costello.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 9 June 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Friday, 9 June 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 9 June 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Friday, 9 June 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 9 June 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)
I always assumed that the appeal was that they looked like tough guys but had hearts of gold that could be divined through their singing. And as for the Four Seasons, women love it when men sing in harmony because it shows they're listening. (Did they have lots of male fans? I didn't think so, but maybe.)
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)
"judy in disguise. (bump) with gla-sses"
part is like the definition of a bad hook. to me, at least.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Saturday, 10 June 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)
Yup. And he remains huge there. I figure his success comes down to this: The older folks loves 'em some bel canto, or at least pretentions thereof, and the kids gave him cred 'cuz he sang about sex in "Rhapsody in the Rain."
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)
No, I was saying "Let It Out" by the Hombres reminds me of "Tighten Up." Don't know which of those came first. Don, I think that album's called AGNES ENGLISH?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 16 June 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 16 June 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Il mio nome e' Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 June 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)
By Don's request, this is from the rolling country thread last week:
so i've been listening to this 20-song 2004 compilation called *life and times* by a louisiana singer-songwriter named butch hornsby who apparently used to write songs (in the '90s i guess) for john fred, formerly of the playboy band fame. first nine tracks are identified as "malaco rough mix"es; not sure if that means he was making demos for the southern soul label, or recording in their studio (if they have one) or what. other stuff was apparently connected to a label (studio?) called deep south, and four songs are "mandeville bathroom session"s. anyway, the guy's pretty eccentric, a country soulster closest vocally to a young david allan coe (the similarity is most noticeable in "suddenly single"), but with a few wacko titles like "i ain't no chauffeur" and "don't take it out on the dog" and (my favorite so far) "rock bottom on romaine," which seems to concern being strung out in hollywood, and romaine rhymes with cocaine, so draw your own conclusions. except the liner notes allude, somehow, to hornsby meeting some kind of tragic end, and this bizarre cryptic part might be ABOUT romaine: "butch hornsby made people uncomfortable. tommy lorio tried to warn butch's wife carol. he use dried lettuce and food parts that were petrified upon his ceiling as a visible manifestation of that warning. carol didn't listen." what the? but carol's note (and john fred's) don't mention lettuce, and a google search to find out more left me high and dry.
actually there's also something about butch hornsby that reminds me of terry allen. (he even does a song called "the smithsonian," so there's a fairly good chance he appreciates art. "i have seen the universe," too.) and he sings way too good to just be a demo singer.
― xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 16 June 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)
I feel like chicken tonight, feel like chicken tonightI've eaten everything in sight, unzipper the strings of my kite(Oh, Uh oh, Uhhh)
― PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 16 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)
Palazzotto engineered a recording agreement with ABC Records in Los Angeles for Louisiana country-writer-artist Butch Hornsby, whose album was produced by Cyril Vetter at Malaco Studios in Jackson, MS. in 1975.
at any rate, I got to find out more about this guy.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 June 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/cdrev/johnfred-rs.php
― Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)
None at all. Tribute notes from Palazzotto, John Fred, Butch's wife Carol, and two people named Cyril E Vetter and Duke Bardwell, but, frustratingly, nothing to inform people about his life who don't already know about it. A couple more thoughts about the music, though: There's a definite rockabilly (as in Elvis and Jerry Lee) influence to some of the singing, but none of it really sounds like rockabilly per se; the closest it comes is a sound that I'd describe sort of as a darker and more confused version of the carnival rhythms in Freddie Cannon's "Palisades Park," maybe. (Hey, anybody who wants to talk about Freddie Cannon on this thread, go for it! He was great!) Also, Hornsby's bathroom sessions (whether the bathroom was actually in a mental hospital or not) are the most skeletal and hard-to-hear four cuts on the album, as you might expect. Outside of "Rock Bottom on Romaine," my favorite tracks are "Since You Run Out," "100% Chance of Getting Me Down," "I Ain't No Chauffer," and "Suddenly Single" (the latter of which has some Gary Stewart in its sound, too, I decided, though still more David Allan Coe in it.)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 16 June 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)
― O-Keigh (O-Keigh), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)
― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)
The one that disturbed me was "Come and Get It" by Badfinger: "If you want it, here it is, come and get it, but you better hurry because it's going fast." I wasn't sure what "it" was (sex? drugs?), but I was positive it was something I didn't want to think about.
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 17 June 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Saturday, 17 June 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)
And I interpreted the line about the lyrics to "Judy in Disguise" as saying that at least they weren't as bad as "Yummy Yummy Yummy," but yes MAYBE I WAS WRONG.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)
Tangent: I often wonder about that whole 60's ultra-rockist prog-loving, lyrics-focused, album-orientated school of rock criticism, because it seems to me that its foremost representatives aren't very canonised today. I mean, all the big guns of the 60's and 70's - Meltzer, Marcus, Christgau, Dave Marsh, Lester Bangs - pretty much position themselves *against* this sort of ideology, in one way or another. And sure much of that might just be revisionism, but what vintage stuff of theirs I've read doesn't seem to confirm that.
Anyway, I'm sure Tommy James has lovely albums! I've never heard a track by him I didn't like.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 17 June 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)
Doesn't there seem to be some sort of hierarchy here? I mean, he's saying the Box Tops and Tommy James both have album filler, but Tommy James belongs to "the Tommy Jameses" group of bands whose albums - with their filler - are not just terrible but much worse than terrible.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Saturday, 17 June 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
Well, he's certainly saying that The Box Top's albums, though bad, are still better than those by Tommy James, sure. And the use of "even" in regards to the Box Tops, who have "never released a second-rate single", does seem to imply that the Box Tops are the cream of the crop of that sort of sub-genre, which means he probably thinks they're better than Tommy James in general, yeah (though that doesn't necessairly imply that he thinks Tommy James is worthless.) I still see no need to frame all this into terms like "realness" and "authenticty", which Christgau never really used in that review. I mean, let's face it, pre-Big Star, rock snobs probably hated the Box Tops and Tommy James in equal amounts.
Boy, parsing Robert Christgau's sentences just never gets old, does it?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 17 June 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 17 June 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.stupidlyhappy.com/archives/judee%20sill.jpg
― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)