Meat is Murder - C or D??

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The Smiths' second album Meat is Murder; I see this album get a lot of criticism for being inferior to their first one and sort of a precursor to their real breakthrough. AMG rates it a shocking 3.5 stars, (which really makes me kind of angry, do they actuallly beleive that Lil Jon and the Eastside Boyz Crunk Juice is a better album!?!) for example...

Anyway, I love this album, always have. Side A contains, in my opinion, some of the best Smiths material. I find myself listening to this album more often than most of their others, and I think it's my favorite Smiths album. Certainly "That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore" belongs with the rest of their great songs, if not "What She Said", "I Want the One I can't Have" or "The Headmaster Ritual". Does it deserve the reputation that it has gained recently as, not merely their worst LP, but a subpar group of songs among the rest of their catalogue?

― New Media Intern (New Media Intern), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's a total classic. REISSUE NOW PLZ.

― Dan (Awesome) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

It's a total classic. REISSUE NOW PLZ.

Remastered, preferably. Those bargain Smiths CDs are really tinny-sounding (Hatful Of Hollow is especially lacking in bottom end.) They don't wave to womp 'em through a Waves L2, but there's gotta be a happy medium.

(which really makes me kind of angry, do they actuallly beleive that Lil Jon and the Eastside Boyz Crunk Juice is a better album!?!)

God, you're boring.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

used to be my favorite, but it's probably the one I listen to the least now.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'd take Meat Is Murder over Strangeways any day.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I once tried to impress a girl in college by saying I liked the Smiths, even though I had never listened to them. She asked what my favorite album was and I said this one because it was the only title I knew. She said, "Oh really? I think that's really their worst album." D'OH.

Still haven't listened to it, but awesome girls say DUD in terms of the band.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

entertaining you weekly:

Meat is Murder is the best Smiths album

C/D: Smiths' "Meat Is Murder"

― marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

My least favorite Smiths album. I can understand some of the hate they inspire.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

one of the best ever. I don't see how any self respecting Smiths fan can not love it.

― marbles (marbles), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Then again, I'm no fan of preQueen is Dead Smiths.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's gotten shitty reviews (didn't it get something like a 2 out of 10 in that SPIN book from forever ago?!?) because of comparisons to the debut. And maybe because of the occasionally didactic tone. Meat Is Murder is my second favorite Smiths album, and only about a notch below the debut in my esteem. They're both pretty high on my GOAT list.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 9 June 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not crazy about it but God forbid I should ever say anything negative about the Smiths on ILM.

― Jim M (jmcgaw), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

queen is dead>>louder than bombs>meat is murder>>strangeways>smiths

― stewart downes (sdownes), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

crunk juice>>>>smiths

― ...122 hours of beer (part 2) (teenagequiet), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Stewart, your continuum is all mixed up and mostly backwards. Please try again KTHANKSBYE

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

It is mostly the production on the smiths that bothers me, really. The versions on hatful are better, but I have a hard time thinking of that as an album (I got it a few years after all the other ceedees).

― stewart downes (sdownes), Friday, 9 June 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

It has Barbarism Begins at Home, which is nearly disco, so Classic.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

The star ratings are only supposed to be in comparison to the artist's other albums or potential, although crunk juice is some serious competition.

― brohamulus (brohamulus), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

C, for How Soon is Now? alone.

― Harrison Barr (Petar), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

AMG rates it a shocking 3.5 stars

I used to own the album, and went through a phase of liking it a lot, and I think 3.5 stars is, if anything, too generous. (And by the way, you can't compare star ratings between different bands, because they're not supposed to be a measure of absolute quality, only a measure relative to the band's other work.)

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

("Rusholme Ruffians" is great though.)

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

do they actuallly beleive that Lil Jon and the Eastside Boyz Crunk Juice is a better album!?!
this is superior to that

― pppppppppp (batwing), Saturday, 10 June 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Queen is Dead > Crunk Juice > Meat is Murder

― adam (adam), Saturday, 10 June 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever I see "C or D?", I think "cup size?"

― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

A bra filled with meat.. Quick, call Karen Finley.

― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

no, wait. call Rudy Guiliani

― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Funnily enough I was just saying to a friend last week that I thought this album was underrated.
Was it slagged off at the time?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

The title track & Barb Begins always spoiled this for me. The latter was always brilliant live, but failed to cut it on record. Proof can be found on that clip of it being done with Pete Burns that was doing the rounds on the internets recently (Albert Hall, 85, iirc). Pete & Moz bugger off after a while, but the others go on for about another 10 mins, sounding like the best British jazzfunk band ever: a cross between Chic & the Stooges.

― bham (bham), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Barbarism begins at home is one of my fave tracks!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

"I'd take Meat Is Murder over Strangeways any day."

Man, I still think the world of The Smiths, and "Meat is Murder" is decent, but huh?

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Strangeways sucks rancid buffalo taint.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's not my favorite, but not *that* bad... maybe sucks fresh buffalo taint ...

― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Monday, 12 June 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

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