When was the last time Tim Sendra listened to the Good Earth by the feelies?

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The Feelies - Fa Cé-La
For someone who missed the boat on the Feelies (they seemed to be standard R.E.M.-alikes when I first heard them around the time of The Good Earth), going back and hearing "Fa Cé-La" is a revelation. The jittery, stuttering song is two minutes of genius filled with feedbacking guitars, adenoidal vocals, shaky harmonies and a killer hook. It sounds like the Velvets recorded in a teacup. It invented both jangle pop and the Paisley Underground at the same time -- not bad for a quartet of pencil-necked geeks from the Jersey suburbs. The song showed up on 1980's influential Crazy Rhythms and outshined everything else there. The band probably should have just broken up after recording it. You can't top perfection. - Tim Sendra

Worse then the Amy Philips/Sonic Youth fiasco?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

He's in for a good schooling from Ned.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I can see why someone might make the REM connection with The Good Earth, seeing as how Peter Buck co-produced and there's a vague "Don't Go Back To Rockville" vibe to some of the tracks. That said, the Good Earth is better than any REM record ever. There: I said it. "Slipping Into Something" alone is one of the best songs of the 80s. Am I right or am I right?

Tyler W (tylerw), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

You are right. And there are songs on the Good Earth that are every bit as frantic as anything on Crazy Rhythms.

And it's one thing to dis the Good Earth(which of course, is insane), but Fa Ce La is far from the best thing on Crazy Rhythms.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

"Am I right or am I right?"

you are right.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

For those who want to prove Tim wrong, you can still order custom burned CDRs from Twin/Tone:

http://www.tt.net/coyote/projects/8673.html

or wait for the reissues I heard they may be doing with Bar None?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

He's in for a good schooling from Ned.

He is?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

about the r.e.m. thing though, it's funny, the feelies are one of my favorite rock bands of all time and r.e.m. are not, but i gotta give it up for r.e.m.'s 80's stuff. a lot of it. murmur is a really cool record. all of their records up to and including their johnny cougar one with the superman cover version on it are good. better than the good earth? well, i certainly play/have played the good earth more and i never play r.e.m. records, but i wouldn't say the good earth is better than any r.e.m. record. crazy rhythms is way better than any r.e.m. record though.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking the guy listened to fa ce la outside of the context of the album, and just got carried away by enthusiasm. It is an infectious track.

But, Dan's right. The album is remarkable as a whole. And many of the other tracks contain are far more cohesive and singular in comparison to fa ce la.

It's one of my favorite albums of the 80s.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Forces at Work is probably my favorite song. But there are NO DUDS on that record.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - don't get me wrong, i love REM, especially 80s REM. But the Good Earth is pretty much my perfect record. I think I love everything about it.

but yeah, listening to "Fa Ce La" outside of the context of the rest of Crazy Rhythms might give you a misguided impression. There, they sound like the quintessential quirky rock band. On other tracks—"Original Love," "Moscow Nights" and "Forces At Work"—there's a real malevolent energy that offsets the hyper energy of "Fa Ce La" and the title track and others. Those songs are more "Little Johnny Jewel" than "Roadrunner." I love it all, though.

Tyler W (tylerw), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

also a big REM fan here...I'd go as far as Document, though I only really listen to Chronic Town/Murmer/Reckoning.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I bet Tim Kinsella listened to Crazy Rhythms every day for like 2 years.

lord pooperton (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm remembering "Fa Ce La" was an early single (on Rough Trade? their own label?) that got re-recorded on the debut album.

I prefer the Feelies debut to everything else they did because of those "crazy rhythms" but saying they should've broken up after that is lame. actually, they DID break up after that, and then reunited.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Fer damn sure I'll take The Good Earth over Fables of the Reconstruction (but not over Life's Rich Pageant).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

There are some pretty crazy rhythms on the Good Earth!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all about the Crazy Rhythms and Time For A Witness. I'm not overly fond of the albums inbetween.

Time For A Witness is so underrated. So many hooks, and so many great guitar parts.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

"The Good Earth" is the perfect Autumn record to me, maybe because of all memories of college that come along with it. On the porch, wearing a sweater, drinking beer and listening to "The Good Earth".

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

kwitehead OTM...in fact, the porch I can picture myself on whilst listening to The Good Earth is on the cover of Only Life...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna rep for "Only Life." I was a happy boy when the Feelies discovered that they could come to Virginia once or twice a year between, say, 1987 and '91, do a few dates in college towns and make a lot of bucks. I saw so many INCREDIBLE shows by them that left me howling.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

He's in for a good schooling from Ned.

He is?

-- Ned Raggett (ne...)

Ahem.

Compared to the wispy jangle rock that passed for much of college radio at the time, the Feelies proposed a different path with the songs' steady pace and murkier feeling.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

Which, from a non-Ned pen, might not sound like schooling, but...

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Um....around 1986, I guess. Perhaps it deserves another listen.

By the way, what was the Amy Philips/Sonic Youth fiasco?

tim sendra (timsen), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

"or wait for the reissues I heard they may be doing with Bar None?"

I really hope this is true, Dan.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

i'll settle for nothing less than a boxed-set.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

including also the shore leave album...

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, what was the Amy Philips/Sonic Youth fiasco?

Amy wrote a Sonic Youth review for the Voice I think where she said they should just break up already.

What most of the old people found funny was either the gall of her saying that, or that she referred to such classics as Washing Machine, when there was and is a large portion of Sonic Youth fans who gave up after Goo. Or Daydream Nation. Or Sister. Or Evol. Or Bad Moon Rising. Or Confusion is Sex. Or...you get the idea.

Seriously though, give another listen. I loved Crazy Rhythms and dismissed the Good Earth for years. Now I think I prefer it! The back-to-back placement of The Last Round Up and Slipping Into Something alone would dismiss any ideas that it's just a folky college rock record.


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Re: feelies reissues—is it true that Bar None is doing this? Or is it just a rumor? Any Bar None people out there? Hello?
It does seem like a sizeable hole in the reissues market—I mean, if all of the Dream Syndicate albums have been reissued in deluxe formats (I think), why not the Feelies? Is it A&M's fault? I've heard—from Steve Wynn actually—that it's hard to get your masters back from them, since the company doesn't really exist anymore...
So what would be the bonus material on the ideal Feelies reissues? Definitely all of the b-sides / covers. A live disc with each album? The bootlegs I have are pretty mindblowing. Would love to hear a concert in really good sound quality.

Tyler W (tylerw), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

>I bet Tim Kinsella listened to Crazy Rhythms every day for like 2 >years.

yes! this has occured to me as well.

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

i put good earth and murmur back to back on tape. great for driving long distances across the prairie. good earth IS more folkie and has more quiet parts, but that was already there on crazy rhythms.

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

i read this article about the feelies that said they or a couple of 'em were neat freaks and liked to jog.

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

the fantasy boxed-set must include all music from the Smithereens soundtrack as well.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

i tryed to find that smithereens stuff on slsk a few weeks ago, but it didn't turn up.

another feelies tidbit:

in the late 70s version of the rolling stone illustrated history of rock and roll crazy rhythms is in the "sound of manhattan" discography under the "and the beat goes on: the rock/jazz/funk/disco fusion" heading along w/james chance, james "blood" ulmer, august darnell and machine, but they aren't mentioned once in the article!

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

i realize that has nothing to do w/good earth, but i think its worth mentioning!

were feelies really lumped w/that camp? they are sorta aligned w/vu+eno ->modern lovers+television+talking heads in my head, but there are those crazy rhythms!

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

and wasn't there an ohio connection through anton?

lil'league (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

"in the late 70s version of the rolling stone illustrated history of rock and roll crazy rhythms is in the "sound of manhattan" discography under the "and the beat goes on: the rock/jazz/funk/disco fusion" heading along w/james chance, james "blood" ulmer, august darnell and machine, but they aren't mentioned once in the article!"

If I remember correctly, the Raincoats are also included in a discography for the UK punk chapter, but are never mentioned in the article itself, either.

Feelies bonus tracks - is the Rough Trade single version of "Fa Ce La" any different from the album version? If so, I'd like to see it added to a reissue. There's also a bunch of A&M singles/promos the band did around 1988-1991 with unique cuts on them (mostly covers of the Modern Lovers, Patti Smith, Neil Young...)

James datapanik (voltstax), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

the Feelies reissue project would be remiss if it didn't also include as a bonus the version of "I'm A Believer" they performed in the high school reunion scene of the film "Something Wild"...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and Tim Sendra, if you're out there:

came across an old copy of Feel Good About Your Body the other day, cleaning house...totally prophetic about Stereolab!

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

they could include things like the Trypes and the Dave Weckerman single.

Anton Fier was in the Styrenes back in Cleveland.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

What is this Dave Weckerman single? Pre Yung Wu?
They'd have to find room for "The Obedient Atom," which I think is one of the few original songs performed by the Crazy Rhythms era band that isn't on Crazy Rhythms. I think i might have a demo version somewhere...?

Tyler W (tylerw), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Weckerman released a single of Shore Leave/Out of Baby's Reach in 1980 or so, drastically different then what would appear on the Yung Wu record...more of a Styrenes/Girls kind of craziness.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

is the Rough Trade single version of "Fa Ce La" any different from the album version?

According to Dee Xtrovert from the "1st 100 Rough Trade Singles - What's Not On CD?" thread (actually from an email s/he sent me):

"According to the Feelies themselves, these are the
same versions as on "Crazy Rhythms" except that they
were mastered very differently and one of them (I
think "Raised Eyebrows") was edited somewhat. Bill
Million said, "They're the same, just a little
different." And according to Rough Trade founder
Geoff Travis, the band was so loony mastering and
mixing and wasting studio time that he let them go (to
Stiff) since he was scared they'd bankrupt RT. These
"versions" are not on CD, but I didn't include them
since they are apparently the same recorded versions,
just different sounding."

To me, they sound quite different, but I could see how they could be essentially the same mix.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
Reviving this thread in grim hopes of the aforementioned fantasy box set...

...which should also include these things mentioned here in this old New York Rocker article:

WINTER 76-77
A single is cut at Trod Nossel Studios in Connecticut for Ork Records. Jon Tiven is at the controls. The songs are "Forces at Work" b/w "Original Love" and the Feelies don't like the results. The single never comes out.

SUMMER 77
The Feelies return to Trod Nossel this time with Mark Abel producing.

BILL: "It was a real scary place, we were afraid to go up there. It took up two months to psyche ourselves up." The songs are "Fe Ca La" b/w "Big Plans." The Feelies are to be part of a massive deal that Ork has made with Polygram. There will also be singles by Alex Chilton and the Cramps. The results this time are impressive but...

WINTER 77-78
The records never come out. Ork deal with Polygram falls through and there's no money for pressings. When Ork finally gets the money up, it's too late. The Feelies don't like the tapes anymore. They feel their sound has changed.


and this, which still doesn't clear up how different the single is from the album version:

SPRING 1979
Demos are recorded at Carla Bley's studio, an attractive press package assembled, and the Feelies start trying to hustle a deal with Roger Trilling acting as a liason.

SUMMER 1979
Rough Trade releases two of the Carla Bley demos, "Fe Ca La" b/w "Raised Eyebrows," to mixed critical response. (The same version of "Raised Eyebrows" appears on the album slightly remixed.) Finally Stiff takes the plunge and the story begins...

Bob McNichol (bmcnee), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Classic autumn day today here in New England. I just got back from the front stoop where I enjoyed a beautiful cup of coffee and a spin of "The Good Earth." Something about the changing leaves and crisp air that bring out the best of that record.

My vinyl copy still sounds great.

kwhitehead, Friday, 17 October 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

Yup, one of the classic seasonal albums for sure.
Saw the Feelies in Boston last week. It was like they never went away, they were so good.

Jazzbo, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:07 (seventeen years ago)

so jealous of you guys who have seen the feelies this year. guess i'm just going to have to bite the bullet and fly out to the east coast for one of these shows ...

tylerw, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:40 (seventeen years ago)

I like this record a lot; it sounds great sequenced after the new Arthur Russell comp.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:42 (seventeen years ago)

no kidding! i'll definitely have to pick that one up then.

tylerw, Friday, 17 October 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

so jealous of you guys who have seen the feelies this year. guess i'm just going to have to bite the bullet and fly out to the east coast for one of these shows ...
Well, a couple of band members hinted that this tour wasn't the end of their comeback. "We promise it won't be another 17 years," Brenda Sauter told the crowd.
They played two new songs, so I think an album and a supporting tour is a distinct possibility.

Jazzbo, Friday, 17 October 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, for them, playing boston was probably a big step! so maybe there'll be some more activity next year ...

tylerw, Friday, 17 October 2008 17:06 (seventeen years ago)


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