"The Christ Tree" A day in Hell?

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Please spread the word on this matter to as many
people as you can so we can do our bit to prevent the evil empire
that is Radioactive Records from ripping off yet another bunch of
talented folk who truly deserve their dues and recognition.
Here is a forwarding of a message posted on Timothy's Livejournal
and mailing list earlier today

"Please help!
Radioactive Records UK has just released an illegal pirate needle-
drop bootleg CD of an album by the Trees called "The Christ Tree."

As you may or may not know, I have been working directly with the
band on an official reissue of this album for YEARS now.

I spent about 1 year tracking down all of the living members and, in
many cases, putting them back in contact with each other for the
first time in twenty years. After doing this, I asked permission to
reissue "The Christ Tree." The band gave me permission and also gave
me a huge box of unreleased reels of music.

I spent about another year transferring all of these reels analog-to-
digital. Because of the age of the tapes and the fact that they had
moved from desert to humid clime and back over the years, I had to
have the tapes "baked" before ever playing them. This is a very
expensive process, but one that needed to be done to ensure the
stability of the tapes. I then had to buy a reel machine.

After transferring all of the music, I spent another 6 months or so
editing the best parts down to 4 CDs of music, chosen by the band
and I as the best of the best. I then paid Dennis Blackham at Skye
Mastering to master these CDs - a considerable investment, but
Dennis is one of the best in his field and it was worth it. The
Trees and I were both thrilled with the results.

We are set to release "The Christ Tree" at summer's end. It will be
the original album, remastered from original tapes, with bonus
tracks and 3 CDs of unreleased material! It has taken the entire
resources of my record label and most of the money I have ever made
selling my own records, playing shows, etc to get our version ready.
It was a risk before this bootleg came out, and now we will have an
illegal version to compete with. I have felt, since first hearing
the album, that I was meant to reissue this. I figured, if it breaks
the label, at least we went out doing something I love and 100%
believe in.

Dark Holler . Hand/Eye is the ONLY record label that has permission
from the Trees to reissue this material.

Then we find, just the other day, Radioactive Records UK has
released a bootleg CD.

"The Christ Tree" was originally released by the band, on their own
label. No other individual or organization has any claims to the
rights on this recording. Radioactive's CD is illegal, immoral, and
will not benefit anyone but Radioactive. Their claims that it
is "authentic" or "official" are outright lies.

Please DO NOT BUY their records, and especially their version
of "The Christ Tree." If you see it pop on on Ebay, please report it
as a bootleg. Please inform any retailers/mailorder houses that you
see carrying it of the bootleg/illegal status of the Radioactive
version, and please tell them that a LEGITIMATE version is just a
couple months away. PLEASE help. We must rely on consumers and
specialty mailorder houses to do the right thing.

The Hendrix estate just won a huge settlement against Radioactive,
and we will join another lawsuit against them if we can, but we will
have to get in line as they have ripped off countless other bands
and labels.

Please help in any way you can.

Timothy Renner
Dark Holler
Hand/Eye

Venus Glow (1411), Sunday, 2 July 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

...wtf?

Vg (1411), Sunday, 2 July 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

soooo, if i want to hear the album morally, i have to buy 4 CDs?

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 July 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps the moral course of action would be to obtain it from P2P/Usenet.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Sunday, 2 July 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

its always the moral course of action...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 2 July 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

gimme a break, scott. yr smarter than that.

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Sunday, 2 July 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been hearing about this reissue from hand/eye for awhile.I did find the original album on a P2P site last year & downloaded it.Because i like it i will probably purchase the 4 cd set.Having heard it i can say the average individual will not care to hear 4 cd's of this material just to check out the band.I doubt there was ever going to be much of a return on investment on a project like this particularly for a poorly distributed small label like the one Tim has.Hopefully Tim wasn't banking on a large financial payoff on this because it's hard to see anyone but serious collectors of obscure psy/folk caring at all.
On the other hand Radioactive is completely wrong to record an album & just sell it.Once the artist becomes aware & asks the label to desist they should do just that.Any other action is pretty much criminal.Tim Renner has pretty much carved out his own niche with his label & i have nothing but respect for his endeavors even when i don't like the music he is making.I can see why he would be upset that Radioactive put this out no matter how unrealistic his fear that this would somehow carve into sales of his reissue are.I certainly would not be making fun of his anger.It seems justified.
Perhaps this might even help him because i suspect any publicity he can get for his labels releases might attract more peoples attention to the fact that they are even out there in the marketplace.And it seems as though with time legal action would be a financial payoff.
In anycase Radioactive does put out alot of crap sounding reissues.Why in the world would anyone support that?

evan chronister (evan chronister), Sunday, 2 July 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

c'mon, dude, it'll sell out and pay for itself and that's likely all that tim cares about.

like "who would want a 13 cd of a weird cult band from california called ya ho wha 13?" apparently several thousand people.

as for radioactive i'll be sort of sad when they're gone (though they do seem to be complete scumbags) - "crap sounding reissues" are sometimes better than no reissues at all.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 2 July 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha!! I'm one of those people who bought that 13 cd boxset!! And yeah you've got a point.But i still say the folks who purchase the Radioactive reissue are not the same guys who will buy the 4 cd version.It's a different market.Tim shouldn't worry about it.And i know what you mean about radioactive.But that doesn't make it okay

evan chronister (evan chronister), Monday, 3 July 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, and it's probably a fair bet that a few people will actually buy the radioactive one and then sell it when the box comes out.

(i bought the ya ho wha box, too, directly from sky sunlight freaking saxon!)

it seems like this is becoming fairly common - a label announces plans to reissue something legitimately and then one of the scuzzier labels will quickly issue their own cash-in version. examples being guerssen's legit reissues of the pererin albums and the finders keepers re of chris harwood's album, both of which were 'scooped' by akarma.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 3 July 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

the reissue of The Deep record that Radioactive put out is the ONLY time that it has sounded that good (reissue-wise, that is). er, just thought i'd throw that out there. i don't have a horse in this race or anything. I kinda need their Morgen reissue too. originals are out of my income-bracket. but, yeah, it's shitty if they are being shitty and all that, etc. i still think 4-CDs is a bit much. but i admire the effort. it's just that 15 bucks for a single cd as opposed to whatever this thing will cost...i hope you can see my point at least. basically, you are telling people to wait indefinitely to buy something that will no doubt cost a bunch more. but you guys have already made the point about casual fanz -vs- freekz, etc. okay, time for bed.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 July 2006 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i think their reissue of the deep record is the only one to include the original mono mix (i'm assuming taken direct from vinyl).

oh and you need the world psychedelia reissue of the morgen album with bonus tracks not on the radioactive version. i think it's a buck more at forced exposure.

and i think when tim started working on the trees thing a long time ago there weren't really 'casual' fans, you know?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 3 July 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

well there ya go. radioactive will NOT be getting my Morgen money.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 July 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Radioactive pulled similar shit with George Brigman's Jungle Rot, too, if I'm remembering the liner notes correctly

ZR (teenagequiet), Monday, 3 July 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

and Bobb Trimble.

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Monday, 3 July 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Normally I would be sympathetic to your plight, good sir. But if a band gives such a crap name for an album, like "The Christ Tree", then they deserve to get fucked like this.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 3 July 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Must admit that I've totally held off on getting Moyshe McStiff for fear that these guys were scurvy brigands. That's okay though, cos it's one less thing that I need to run out and buy right now.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 3 July 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Esteban, think before you post, though past examples prove the impossibility of that ever coming to fruition.

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Monday, 3 July 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

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Radioactive Records is a pirate label -- a criminal organization. Radioactive is responsible for more than 200 unauthorized reissues of rare and collectable psychedelic records -- private press items by legendary artists like Relatively Clean Rivers, Fraction, Starfire, and George Brigman, and major label records from acts like Silver Apples, Jake Holmes, Grodeck Whipperjenny, Fifty Foot Hose, and even Jimi Hendrix.

My favorite artist to get the Radioactive treatment is Bobb Trimble. Amongst the few people with any opinion on the matter, Trimble is unanimously considered the best psychedelic musician of the 80s. Although his two records sell for $500-$1,200, Bobb is in poor health and lives off government assistance. Right after I started strategizing with Kris Thompson to put together legitimate, original master recording reissues of Trimble's two albums Iron Curtain Innocence and Harvest of Dreams, Radioactive Records released a completely unauthorized copy of Harvest from a vinyl source (call it a "needledrop").

Like slander or identity theft, piracy is a sinister, maddening crime that is difficult to correct even when you have a lot of money to take someone to court. After going into Amoeba the other day and finding the Harvest CD there, I decided it was time to let anyone who cares know the facts about Radioactive.

Radioactive is based out of England. It is run by a wealthy man named James Plummer. The label deals most of its wares through traditional, major distributors. They also do direct mail order through Blue Orchard, a second company suspiciously dedicated solely to Radioactive releases. To the passive consumer, Radioactive looks and acts like a legitimate company. They advertise in Goldmine, get their products into the best music stores, and they create and move an impressive amount of product. Rumors about the legality of Radioactive's business are nothing new, but Plummer has never made any sort of public statement on the matter. I doubt very much that he will start now.

Another venue for Radioactive's business is ebay. Periodically, sellers, usually British ones, will offer large numbers of Radioactive releases with "buy it now" pricing. Through ebay's VeRO (Verified Rights Owner) program, we've been able to put a stop to pirated Bobb Trimble CDs being sold this way. It's also worth mentioning that following a string of negative feedback, Radioactive's very active ebay account was removed from the site sometime around 2003. It seems that in addition to four-figure psych records, Plummer also has a fetish for ridiculously expensive first edition Harry Potter books.

Since I got on this case, I've been disturbed to realize just how many "reissue" labels are in fact nothing more than well-packaged pirate operations. Of course, in most cases, without this cavalier attitude towards artists' rights, we would be missing out on a lot of great music, and the truth is many artists simply don't know, or care, what's going on in the current market, and left to their own devices would never get around to putting their work out again. Still, we should be able to agree on a couple of basic principles:

• Every attempt should be made to contact the owner of a given work.

• If this attempt fails and the release proceeds anyway, a clear statement of the situation and contact information should be included with the release, and royalties should be held for the artist. I believe this was the case with The Wild Places' 2001 reissue of Linda Perhacs' Paralellograms, which resulted with Ms. Perhacs emerging from obscurity, and to a second release with superior sound and bonus tracks from her original master tapes. Honesty is indeed the best policy, and can be very profitable.

• If an artist is found and doesn't want there to be a reissue for whatever reason, then the label needs to move on and find something else to do. No one has the moral right to reissue a work just because they find it awesome, historically significant, too good to be left out of print, or what have you.

I think some reissue labels confuse their own desire for cash or glory with the more altruistic aims of preservation and popularization of good music. This may be what has happened with James Plummer and his Radioactive Records company.

Another notorious label specializing in music of the 70s was the contemporaneous TMOQ, which stood for "Trademark of Quality" and featured a caricature of a smiling, cigar-chomping pig in sunglasses as its logo. Of course, TMOQ was a 100% illegal bootleg company specializing in live recordings of major acts like Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones, but at least the responsible parties had the good humor to make light of their own their own thieving. And as they say, here's the world's smallest fiddle playing for the well-paid artists they ripped off.

(At this point, it's worth noting the distinction between "bootleggers" and "pirates" as the terms apply to music, as these terms are often considered interchangable. Bootleggers deal in otherwise unavailable, mostly live recordings. Pirates sell copies of existing material.)

The facts concerning Radioactive's Bobb Trimble Harvest of Dreams CD are simple: No attempt was made to contact Bobb, who is the sole owner of his music, and who has been diligent in keeping his copyrights current and in good order. When Radioactive was politely asked by Kris Thompson, Bobb's legally-appointed representative, to stop selling this CD and to reimburse Bobb at a reasonable and modest rate, Plummer hemmed and hawed, killing time to give his CDs time to make their way to distributors and shops, and then ceased all communications on the matter. Oh yes, I almost forgot – Plummer's first response was to try to get Bobb's master tapes so they could do full-fledged versions of his two albums.

How ironic that the label's slogan is "the hottest releases are Radioactive."

When I see the Radioactive Bobb Trimble in stores or online, I try to contain my outrage and be nice when I ask the seller to stop offering it. After all, what are they supposed to do with a product they can't sell? I also get this a lot: They claim that Radioactive is 100% legit. They're sure of it. This can only be for two reasonable explanations for this: that they've been fooled by the high-quality print reproductions, the UPC code, and the fancy Radioactive logo sticker; or they've otherwise convinced themselves that no pirate label could get away with producing nearly 200 unauthorized releases.

Let's address these points. First of all, let us note the conspicuous absence of bonus tracks and historical notes in the Radioactive catalog. How many times do you remember seeing a Radioactive release with additional content, printed or musical? New liner notes, archival photos, bonus tracks? There are rare examples of these (see below), but let's be honest, we're not talking about Sundazed here. The added value of Radioactive releases is almost always zero.

Secondly, how hard is it, really, to get away with ripping off 200 obscure artists with no public voice? Pure artists who in most cases never knew anything about making money to begin with and never learned since. In many cases damaged souls who for a brief moment got it together to do something special, received little recognition, who then moved on and may very likely rather forget about the whole thing. Stealing from people like that is definitely not the same as pulling off an operation like TMOQ. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. As for the occasional ripoffs from major labels like Capitol Records, as anyone with any experience in dealing with the multinational conglomerates who own these recordings will tell you, major labels never pursue legal action when the cost of doing so is greater than the potential rewards, as is always going to be the case for any CD selling less than, say, 20,000 units. So getting away with stealing from these behemoths hardly compares to the feat of shoplifting ten CDs from Tower Records in a single go.

Now consider this: As a British label, how many reissues of British acts has Radioactive done? Perhaps three or four, mostly culled from previously unreleased material, which implies that the label did work with the artists in these rare cases. Have you ever tried taking someone in another country to court? Doesn't sound so easy, does it? Radioactive knows this, and that is why, despite their nation's status as possibly the finest and most prolific producers of psychedelic music on earth, Radioactive has hardly anything to do with British music. Because they would be out of business very quickly if they did that.

There's a third reason dealers cling to the notion that Radioactive is legit, and to me it's the saddest of all, and that is the climate of graft we all live in. Call it looking the other way; call it see no evil, hear no evil. I call it bullshit, and it's the currency of a world run by people like George Bush. It's a defeated attitude that says "everyone's doing it," or claims "there are two sides to every story" without honestly examining what those sides amount to.

Piracy is widespread, and there are a lot of companies I've left out of this little essay. I am not a crusader against the entire dishonest system, but rather someone who cares deeply about Bobb Trimble and is determined to expose the people stealing from him to the light of day. If you're still reading this, there's a good chance that little I've written here is news to you. The question now is, what are you going to do about it?

Douglas Mcgowan

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Venus Glow (1411), Monday, 3 July 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Esteban, think before you post, though past examples prove the impossibility of that ever coming to fruition.

You're out of your depth here, son.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 3 July 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"depth"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 3 July 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Even a pit toilet has "depth".

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Latest Freak Emporium newsletter came with this news:

Big news this time around is the fact that the Radioactive label has closed down! However we have been lucky enough to obtain some of the remaining stock, particularly the much harder to find vinyl releases. Radioactive was probably the most active reissue label in years unearthing gems that had never previously seen the light of day outside of a handful of collectors and often in pressings of only 500 CD's. It looks like many of these albums are heading back into obscurity! Browse for the Radioactive label on our front page and look out for our final offer on the label coming shortly...."

NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i've never bought or heard any of their vinyl - i always figured their cds were low-end and that their vinyl would probably be sourced from cdr as cheaply as possible.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Cheap Radioactive stuff is flooding the European market right now.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen some over here, too. $9 cds mostly.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Last summer Selectadisc (Nottingham) had a load of cheap Radioactive vinyl. Does buying it cheap make it alright again?

myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Hit or miss, those guys. A lot of stuff was obscure for a reason.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Does buying it cheap make it alright again?"

you need me to hold your hand when you cross the street?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

but it would be interesting to know whether these were sold by radioactive dude or taken from him as part of the hendrix thing and sold to raise money for that.

also: fallout records. anyone? anyone? black and yellow logo, mysterious, based in england. better graphics and sound quality on the ones i've got so far.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

DEVIL'S ADVOCACY, to be taken w/ a large grain of salt:

Thanks to Radioactive, I have a vinyl copy of Flower Travelin' Band's Satori. It sounds okay. No, wait... It sounds FUCKING AWESOME, and as far as I can tell, they did decent job with it.

Is it a boot? Probably. Given the label's track record, the band most likely got the shaft. But, see: I'd much rather pay a few bucks for a hi-quality boot than spend hundreds of bucks on a "collectible" used copy. The band isn't making any money in either case. And with boots, at least the music's out there where people can hear it and word-of-mouth can grow.

If anything, I'm guessing that obscure boots prime the market for legit reisues -- so long as the music has any broad appeal, that is.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i just think it would've been nice if radioactive had, like, attempted to contact bands and/or labels before reissuing things. you know, a google search, five minutes of time, he could've gotten bobb trimble some money. he could've gotten in touch with the trees community (they had a frigging website) and found out there was already a legit reissue planned. he probably could've licensed the legit german oak reissue on witch & warlock and not cut out 35 minutes of bonus tracks.

also kind of sucks that american distributors would rather stock the radioactive flower travellin' band reissues rather than at least the japanese cd on WEA. they might've gotten paid that way.

but i bought plenty of radioactive shit. and i've been screwed harder on reissues ($20 for what turned out to be cd-rs with color photocopy covers). but some slight effort could've been made.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link


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