Nathan Fake's been a bad influence on dance music

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The 'Sky was Pink' good 'though it is, seems to spawned a subgenre of chin-stroking emo-techno that we really don't need.

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

TRU DAT

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

sky was pink the original or sky was pink the holden mix?
also name examples plz

fez (fez), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yup, examples please, though it is more likely 'james holden's been a.....'

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Nathan Fake makes dance music?

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

surely as a statement that's about as valid as 'four tet's been a bad influence on dance music'.

permanent revolution (cis), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

No way, Morr Music deserves far more of the blame for the rise of chin-stroking emo-techno. That's not to say that Fake should get off the hook for having his last album sound so much like Ulrich Schnauss. In general, I think white noise/techno hybrids are a GOOD thing (i.e. there should be more of them).

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Mostly these weird outside influences subsequently forced into house/techno structures make for really good dance music IMO.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Nathan Fake - Watlington Street EP

1 Adamedge (9:02)
2 Bored Of House (9:42)
3 Underberg (9:10)
4 Overdraft (4:00)
5 Peary Land (5:55)

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Theres a wave of minimal beats ( posh words for house) coming with this too which is real lift music. Fakes has some beautifully crafted sounds but the overall sound is boring and pretencious

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

how can instumental music be pretentious?

he's hit and miss.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yep ok hes hit and miss - fair comment but hes not breaking any major borders- unlike Ulrich Schnauss when he first appeard on tha scene.....

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Dinamo was a bigger record than anything Schnauss has done/will ever do.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

whats so special about Far Away Trains Passing By?
xpost nah that tune sucks

fez (fez), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ulrich Schnauss!?!?

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Just cause something is big and sells more doesnt mean its better, - besides Schanuss 2nd album is genious-

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with what's so special about Far Away Trains....

I think Dinamo was a pretty big deal though.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd rather listen to penguin cafe orchestra.

xpost

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ok- Far Away hasnt standed the test of time- Dinamo- we shall see

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't give a flying fuck if it or anything else "stands the test of time" whatever that's supposed to mean.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Just cause something is big and sells more doesnt mean its better

you, sir, are an 'indie'. we know your sort around here!

I think Dinamo was a pretty big deal though.

i agree that its the best Fake track Holden was not involved in, but its way too cute and not very danceable, and hearing it out 5000 times didnt help any

fez (fez), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

LOL - well really i should have used Tejada as a superior reference to Fake as you guys cant see the connection with schnauss and dont spend as much time in Rough Trade as me.....i agree that holden has done himself a royal favor....

I don't give a flying fuck if it or anything else "stands the test of time" whatever that's supposed to mean.

Perhaps you are on the wrong thread- this is where we discuss music not throw insults around cause you have no taste (or knowledge ) in music---- :)

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

smite that pesky lexurian.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

smite that pesky lepricorn - hes after me lucky charms....

what the F***ks a lexurian

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

no matter how hard i try i cannot make the connection in my mind between morr and anything resembling dance music

it sounds like really really really polite trip-hop

james brooks (j_brooks), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Outhouse - Umek's Astrodisco Mix by Nathan Fake

again a good remix far better tahn the orig

sim (simbo), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Nathan Fake's set at the Scopitone festival (in Nantes last week) was ace and he was a really nice person to chat with also. That is all.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't give a flying fuck if it or anything else "stands the test of time" whatever that's supposed to mean

ronan i remember once you said jon carter's tribal house was like the empitome of the house mix cd. does this statement still stand? if not, does this reduce the value of the tribal house stylings of mr jon carter??

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

nathan fake only gets crap when he abandons dance music, so i'm not sure how he can really be a "bad influence on dance music". And when he abandons dance he flies into the comforting embrace of a pre-existing genre (shoegazer idyllictronica etc.)

I'm not sure if there have really been any bad Fake knock-offs. There have certainly been Holdenalikes (Minilogue, Ost & Kjex's "How Not To Be A Biscuit", the Jackson mix of M83 if you go back in time, "Mandarine Girl" and the post -"Mandarine Girl" tracks to some extent) but most of these have been great.

"Dinamo" was great but I prefer the Eulberg mix which is somehow simultaneously smoother and crazier.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I like 'chin-stroking emo techno'. However, Nathan Fake has fallen off in the most drastic fashion imaginable.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

vahid do you mean the live 7 mix?

it's a great CD, I guess house mix CDs have probably changed alot since then but I don't think that that really changes it being a good mix CD.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh while Minilogue are mentioned, why did nobody point out that the b-side to the dreary "Girl From Botany Bay" is actually AMAZING.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Ronan have you heard their remix of Jaia's "Orchestra 2.0" yet? I really am shocked it's not some sort of well-known anthem. It's very epic in an "In White Rooms" kinda way.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I will check it out.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 3 July 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

rofl!

I've not heard Dinamo out yet but god damnit that Gazebo has legs.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

this is too weird as I just listened to the nathan fake full length album for the first time this weekend after only ever hearing The Sky Was Pink + all the remixes, and the only thing i could think of was Ulrich Schnauss and M83, and wondered if I had the wrong CD somehow. It was so shoegazey and way more rock-based than i ever thought it would be. Can someone guide me to the best of his dance music (if there is any) and also, his best remixes (if there are any). I dont know anything about him and want to learn more, as he seems so highly regarded.

GALKIN (GALKIN), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i've only heard the nathan fake full-length, and if that's been influencing people, then i'm very worried.

arjun (arjun), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The big Nathan Fake tune was "The Sky Was Pink", except that the version everyone actually loved was James Holden's remix, which is actually closer to Holden's other work (see "Come To Me", his remix of Andre Kraml's "Safari", his remix of System 7) than it is to Fake's own stuff.

Fake did make a minimal house 12 inch for Traum which is very good: "Dinamo" is a spindly number with this melody that bounces all over the place in a slightly disorinting fashion. "Coheed" is a weepy neuromantic slowburner.

But I actually prefer the remix 12 inch where the two tracks are remixed by Dominik Eulberg and Michael Mayer respectively - the remixes seem to bring out the great qualities of the originals more sharply.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

ssshh don't distract the ilm dance massive w/ the facts

the fuckablity of late picasso (vahid), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM is a bad influnece on NOTHING.

nancyboy (nancyboy), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Agoria = a better version of all Nathan Fake records.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago) link

apple = better version of an orange

fez (fez), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

tenuous connection IMO.

plus Agoria never topped "L'Onzieme Marche".

x-post fez otm.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

tho apples are better than oranges

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:22 (eighteen years ago) link

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF194823-01-02-01.mp3

no?

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the break in Snake Hips sounds pretty Fake-esque, i ll give you that

fez (fez), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

it's fisticuffs, ronan. citrus always wins.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Nathan Fake also had a few releases out before Sky Was Pink, but they're in even more of a prog house vein.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

... than Sky Was Pink, which is maximinal nu-prog, or something.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

the original Sky Was Pink sounds like something off Ummagumma.

Save for Dinamo and one other, I've never heard one of Fake's tracks out at a club. There'll always be a shoegazey side to dance but I don't think it's Nathan Fake's doing. He's just very visible and easy to cotton onto (mixes rock and dance, indie values, releases albums that get into the mainstream press, has the right haircut, is young and idol-worthy)

I like Agoria, esp. Les Beaux Jours and Wolke (flatteningly noisy) but the guy is a follower rather than a leader, not too original, always slighty bigger versions of other people's steps forward. Jacob, have you heard Cute and Cult and what do you think?

Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Not heard it, but nice tracklist although definitely "follower" choices for dec 2005.

I guess I just draw the similarities between the two because of the overwhelming layers of amorphous midrange that they both use. Except Agoria is much more functional as dance music therefore I like it more.

What does Nathan Fake's haircut look like?

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000009HF2.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://www.higher-frequency.com/j_interview/nathan_fake/img/nathan_fake02.jpg

Sports a pretty standard seventies poodle but definitely rock. I imagine if you look at Nathan Fake's record collection there'd be a lot of the artier seventies prog/rock. He did call his album 'Drowning In a Sea of Love'!

Yeah, definitely similar in their mid-range noisiness. Agoria's mix CD drops the slow shuffle of Iggy Pop's 'Nightclubbing' out of the blue in the middle.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

perhaps the noiser Duoteque (Devotion) and Boxersport (Frank Martiniq -Walking Bass) stuff and even Alex Smoke (Brian's Lung) also reminds me of Agoria. and Vitalic!

Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really loving drowned in a sea of love right now...

I just see it as some sort of post rock influenced post dance.....

when i first heard about it, i thought it was going to be straight up dance... and wasnt impressed.

its great for staring out of train windows to in sunny days...

not sure Id be fussed on the dancfloor.....

danny boy (danny boy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 10:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Agoria isn't even remotely like Nathan Fake, this is mentalism.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure it is. Take a Nathan Fake tune about 3/4 of the way through when it does that "peaking" thing, overdrive it a little bit and add a kick drum and you've got Agoria.

Okay it's fucking tenuous. But they remind me of each other as I think they use the same techniques (big overwhelming amorphous synth noises) albeit in slightly different fields of endeavour.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

'I just see it as some sort of post rock influenced post dance...'

Me too. And with the same rate of success as decent post rock (ie one interesting track in every five or so).

braveclub (braveclub), Friday, 7 July 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
http://ra.ratm.net/RA043_070205_StephanBodzin-residentadvisor.net.mp3

^ 108 minutes of sky was pink/holden mix ripoffs!!! hell yeah :D

PRKLTR (flezaffe), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

wait, its only 98 minutes.

PRKLTR (flezaffe), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I quite like tracks three and seven but am not daft about the album as a whole.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I like it. It's sweet and pretty and relaxing, but with more overtly shoegaze/noise edges than are found with the altogether smoother Ulrich Schnauss. The overarching comparison for me is with Herrmann & Kleine's criminally overlooked Our Noise, from 4 or 5 years ago. My partner can't tell the difference between the two.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I loved 'Dinamo' and 'Pink' when they came out, but his album and live set were very very poor.

I DJ'd his straightforward acid track 'Untying the Laces' over the weekend. Liked that one a lot actually.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Who did that 'everything counts' remix/cut-up at around 18 minutes into that RA set?

tylero (tylero), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

bozdin and huntemann

brother loves dub (brother loves dub), Friday, 9 February 2007 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I had no idea Nathan Fake was considered dance music.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link


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