hey writer-types, do you ever get any big label rock records that are worth listening to twice?

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i say writer-types, cuz i don't know if anyone else on here would go out of their way to hear or pay for most modern rock albums put out by major labels. this is not a *complain about getting free stuff* thread. i like getting free stuff. especially if it has a cover on it so i can trade it in for good stuff. i got this album on East West by a band called *Hundred Year Storm* and i put it on cuz it said it was space rock. and it is if yer definition of space rock is coldplay or someone like that. anyway, i can't remember getting ANY rock albums in past years put out by warner/sony/etc that i liked. maybe i just don't get the good stuff. which is possible. and major labels have always put out tons of crud. nothing new there. but you'd think i could think of one commercial radio-ready rock act worth listening to. i got a stone temple pilots album years ago that wasn't bad. but i only listened to it once! so, if you can think of any, lemme know. i'm curious.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

(cuz, you know, i will actually look for them in the used bin if i missed some slick rock explosion that never caught on. chuck was just talking about some 80's hard rock album that he had never heard and how good it was. there have to be recent examples too. i know in the 90's there were some alt bands that got signed and sold nothing who made decent records.)

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

um...geez...i'm trying to think. i guess the strokes and queens of the stone age are the only two things that come to mind, but you've prolly heard them.

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i'm thinking of new bands that haven't recorded a lot before some fancy big label debut. not bands like the white stripes or whatever. i always think of queens of the stone age as a 90's band! cuzza kyuss (major label heavyweights!) and everything. i guess the strokes fit. but, yeah, i've heard them.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

You do get your anomalies ... I remember really liking Korn's 2002 record (the name escapes me). Strokes' Room on Fire is another example of a complete surprise. Also, I'd put Justin's record in that pile.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hope I'm not misunderstanding the question, Scott.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i kinda like system of a down but they sorta drive me nutz...i don't know if they'd fit your parameters, i don't remember hearing of them prior to a major label deal.

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i don't really have parameters. it just seems like i don't hear anything good from the major label rock world. good r&b, good rap, good country, but not rock.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

of course, i'm still busy listening to what the majors put out in the 70's, so there is no real hurry.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon Scott. The new Damone record is good to great. I'd go through my piles for you but . . . (hah-hah-huh-huh -- he said piles)
And I can count the free stuff I got last month on the fingers of one hand.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

in general, the majors don't seem to put out good rock anymore, because there's no incentive to, really ... why spend the money to promote something that can be done on a computer in a garage by any number of faceless competitors? The face and cross-marketing potential (DVDs) is what gives the added value, in their estimation. You have exceptions, like My Morning Jacket (and several other bands on RCA), Mars Volta and System of a Down, but the indies is more than sufficient for rock now.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

the majors don't seem to put out good rock anymore

Opinions vary.

but the indies is more than sufficient for rock now.

Hard rock for people who don't like hard rock to thread.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

ha!

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

hey scott, i'd recommend these from this year (including a few of them that might only be borderline-rock, or borderline-big-label)

huck johns (hideout, apparently distributed by capitol)
*aquamarine* soundtrack (if teen-pop counts, on epic)
damone (on island, and as great as george says above)
def leppard all-covers album (mercury/island)
stefy (not-out-yet better-than-no-doubt girl-led new wave on wind up, creed's and evanescence's label -- that can't really count as an indie, can it?)
flyleaf (octone, distributed by sony)
shooter jennings (universal; george doesn't like this but i do and so does don allred)
towers of london (okay, TVT, lil jon's label; technically an indie; also technically not out yet)
hard-fi (necessary/atlantic, kinda fun if you don't hate *combat rock*)

(i have no use for system of a down or korn though, and never will.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, also, the veronicas, on sire/warner bros. (most good major-label "rock" now is thought of as "teenpop" or "country", I'd say.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I like the Morningwood album. And I'm eagerly awaiting the new Mars Volta, but don't have a promo connection to get a free one.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

haha i knew this would be scott.

the answer is no.

Bea Arthur - Lost COmic GEnius ? (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

TV On The Radio might fit, very good, that new album. on a major i think

rizzx (Rizz), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought it was the gullability of the target audience which played the key factor in what the major's do

marbles (marbles), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

The new Mastodon will be on Warner Bros, and I have the feeling it won't suck.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought it was the gullability of the target audience which played the key factor in what the major's do

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

When the hell is Truth.org gonna stop fucking w/ Big Tobacco and start fucking w/ Big Sony?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Every since I left CMJ, none of the major labels seem to answer my calls. I'm gonna have to buy the TV On The Radio in the store like a peon! A lowly peon!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sound Team's Monster Movie was pretty good, and a departure from their earlier DIY stuff.

patita (patita), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

poor whiney!

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even remember the last "rock" album I got from a major label.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

harvell no big-ups for my chemical romance wtf

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Rhapsody ... best $10 a month you'll ever spend. Keeps you in cultural literacy if the freebie train isn't so kind. And on Mars Volta, Nasty Little Man does the publicity, so I think no one will be doing too well re advanced copy, given their penchant for copy-protection hardball.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

is it bad that when i get a record to review from a major label i am immediately suspicious? I am very wary of bands that release their first record on a major label, but a band that has indie cred that skips on to a major tends to be a bit better. Though there is always that "they were so much better when they were on Matador/Merge/Touch and Go/Drag City. their sound has just gotten so commercial". But I think that is just a case by case basis. If a band has spend a few albums on an indie label I think they can usually handle themselves on a major. I think Sonic Youth is a great example of that.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

dunno ... a lot of indie leaps to the bigs are pretty disappointing ... always weird to see and hear the shininess that comes with it. Sonic Youth, yes, is an exception ...

... and Chuck's right, it does seem like a lot of major-label "rock" is along the lines of Fall-Out Boy, Ashlee and Gretchen Wilson ... party-pop for purty people. Though a lot of it is nevertheless pretty good.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

scott you should try chevelle. not the last album but the one before it.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah there can be a lot of bad things that happend when an indie band jumps to a major but that stuff still seems better than a lot of bands that debut on a major. And I think Sonic Youth is a big exception because, before they signed on to Geffen they damned in their contract all creative control over their music. Plus it seems that the good bands on majors (mostly ones that jumped from an indie) are only there as magnet bands becaue of their indie cred and don't make the label much money, they are just supposed to attract other bands. There is a term for it, but I can't remember it it's "loss leader" or something.

Pop Ryan (Rebelwordsmith), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Chevelle's indie stuff was WAYYYYYYYYY better than their major-league efforts, though yeah, two albums ago was still pretty good.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Killers last year. Looking forward to the Lillix album this year.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

(Or I guess year before last for Killaz.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I THOUGHT this was a thread about MATCHBOX 20! WHY?

Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Proverbs for Paranoids, 2: The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master.

Proverbs for Paranoids, 3: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

anybody dig angels & airwaves or ashley parker angel (only sort of counts)? also the t bone burnett record is great cod-tom waits but i suspect this is not the rock droid you're looking for.

yuengling participle (rotten03), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

How's the A&A album?

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

the worst music ever made

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Damone, btw, is like the softer side of Andrew WK, which is why I dig 'em. :-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Is Buckcherry's latest album on a major label? At the least they have good singles that stick out next to the rest of modern radio rock.

lrsn (larssen), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

I saw an interview on TV with Beck a year or so ago and he said something about wanting to make albums that people would at least listen to, you know, a few times. Real ambitious!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

new Buckcherry single is awful, but incredibly profound ... i'm sure a lot of us have at least one ex that fits the bill.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, in what way are Damone like Andrew WK? I don't get that at all.

I also like the new CD by the Lordz, formerly Lordz of Brooklyn, which has covers of "New York Groove" and "People Who Died" plus good rock riffs in a couple songs plus Everlast and Tim Armstrong guest spots, and is on Perfect Game, apparently distributed by East/West, apparently distributed in turn by Warner Bros.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

That wasn't me.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I mean Chris, not Tim, sorry!

And the new Buckcherry album is actually not bad, but nope, not on a major, I don't think -- though, come to think of it, it's hard to believe the album would've hung around on the chart as long as it did without major distibution. So maybe it was in the fine print.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Twas me, Chuck. Just a general comment ... they have that same pop-rock smile-inducing effect. big pop hooks with nice metal guitar mixed in, that's all. Damone's songs are a little better, a little sweeter, though.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Buckcherry album on Eleven Seven. Best song on it is lead track, "So Far."

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Buckcherry never rocked nearly as hard as they thought they did.

What about those Avenged Sevenfold guys? Their singles have seemed alright, but not great.
And didn't The Darkness put out an album not too long ago?

(For some reason, we only tend to get serviced with Christina Agulara and her knockoffs [which is fine], Christian rock, and bizarre hip hop/country hybrids. Which means that whatever mailing lists we're on have wildly misjudged our audience and scope).

I do remember talking to Scott ???, Alanis Morisette's manager, about a new rock act that he was promoting a couple of years ago. He gave me the rap about how they were going to "save rock" during the Detroit garage tsunami, and they've had a couple of promos that have shown up at my door. They seem to epitomize the inability of current rock to write decent hooks and the reliance on simulated debauchery for lyrical content. I mean, while I'm sure there were a couple of songs that are flitting through the mental net, I can't remember Guns n Roses, Poison or Motley Crue ever singing about wrecking hotel rooms. They sang their songs about chicks and booze or whatever, and then they just DID debauch themselves. They never had to gimme a buncha autotuned bullshit about how they were gonna be badass after the show, they just WERE badass after the show.

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Damone really write better songs than Andrew W.K.? (Haven't heard the album.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

close call, but in general, yes they do. Nothing as good as "Party Hard" or "Got to Do It" but some really strong stuff. Just big and fun.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 5 July 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

like a drunk fatty : D

gear (gear), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

"out here all night," "what we came here for," "on your speakers," and especially "outta my way" are better than those andrew wk songs, as far as i'm concerned. so yes, they do write better than him (or whoever writes their songs does.) but i hear more poison, slade, suzi quatro, and kelly clarkson than andrew wk on damone's album.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

kelly clarkson also a fair compare.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Just watched the video for "Out Here All Night" and I don't hear it at all. I like it OK, but I think the songwriting is outstanding on both of Andrew's Island albums.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

Video, ecch. The second Damone album is monstrously better than the first. Complete makeover in songwriting, thrust and production.
On the first album Damone had a shtick and it was a trival one, something about being car-wash girls from Waltham, Mass.

The new one dumped it all. It might as well be a different band.
As for being like Andrew WK. Hmmm, if they were like the first album with the fake bloody nose pic, I don't hear it. Damone don't have keys like Andrew WK. Second WK album I forfeited on, so I dunno.

"What We Came Here For" must have the Slade influence xhuxk is hearing because it stomps in a thumping, boot boy pop boogie manner. "On Your Speakers" is the best tune on the album. Preceding it is "Stabbed in the Heart" which is a ballad, but a very definitely rock-and-roll [!] ballad. Aside: "Everything," "Carousel" and "Cherry" fit the same classic rock, delivered major label-style, on Buckcherry's new one.]

Damone's record, although not the same, fits nicely side by side with Cheap Trick's Rockford, which is also no disgrace and imprinted strongly by MAJOR LABEL taint. As in, the best tune, "Perfect Stranger," was co-written and produced by Linda Perry. Now I don't give a shit about Linda Perry or her rep/legacy, but that song is a good one.

And all of these pale slightly in comparison to Def Leppard's "Yeah!"
Which also happens to be major label product. The cover of "Waterloo
Sunset" made me an Anglophile all over again.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 6 July 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm, damone, huh? okay, i'll look for it. it says something about modern rock that it's the kelly clarkson comparison that sells them for me. and they are from waltham? like waltham? i know you guys dug that waltham album.

also this week, and also on East West, i got the new album by *2 Cents*. and they are about 48 cents shy of being memorable. i don't even know how to describe their album. it's the epitome of something, but i don't know what. and half of it is remixes! just...oof...i'm at a loss.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 July 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

The flip side to this coin would be to do an unILM thing and lean forward, bending the so-called rep of "indie" pseudo-wonderfulness over backward. Where are the great big rock indie records worth listening to twice?

Well, there are some in my piles. But they don't outnumber the major label ones filed in the same piles.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 6 July 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

Rhapsody ... best $10 a month you'll ever spend.

OTM X 10 jillion

but the new rock stuff I stream there tends not to be from big labels and frankly I spend most of my time rooting around in the past. Oh and do jazz labels like Blue Note, Impulse and CTI count?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 6 July 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

The compare with AWK and Damone, btw, is something I do occasionally ... I just associate things with gut reaction and a certain pleasure principle ... I know that Damone doesn't lather nearly as much keyboard or metal chant as Andrew does. But something about those Damone songs triggered an immediate association with how AWk makes me feel as a listener ... I get into trouble sometimes with friends for that, as when I claimed I found a Southern-rock kinship in Beck's "Sea Change." Overal,, probably off-base, but something about "Golden Age" and "Guess I'm Doing Fine" reminded me of old Allman Bros.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

>The compare with AWK and Damone, btw, is something I do occasionally .<

I don't mind at all, as long as you promise not to use "compare" as a noun anymore. That really freaks me out, for some reason. (Maybe it reminds me of how the New York tabloids always say "gang slay" when they mean "gang slaying" in their cover headlines.) (So who the hell am I, William Safire??)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

deal ... no more compare as a noun. just like i try to never use impact as a verb.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

eagle eye cherry is really awesome

kevin barking (arghargh), Thursday, 6 July 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

no.

M@tt He1geson, Rendolent Ding-Dong (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 6 July 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

"The flip side to this coin would be to do an unILM thing and lean forward, bending the so-called rep of "indie" pseudo-wonderfulness over backward. Where are the great big rock indie records worth listening to twice?"

I get pretty great indie rock records all the time. But I live near Detroit and love The Dirtbombs, The Paybacks, The Muggs, etc.
The flip side of this coin, to me, would be looking for an indie pop album worth listening to twice. There might be some of 'em, but I never seem to get 'em. Rap also seems to benefit from big budgets anymore, though there are some exceptions.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 6 July 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

hard-fi (necessary/atlantic, kinda fun if you don't hate *combat rock*)

OTM comparison. The band got/get a lot of rasio play over here, and though I don't like them at all, they do at least rock, and have a few memorable tunes.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 July 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I had that Muggs CD. I liked it on the first listen. Then it died a hard fast death on repeat. Now, the Nagg from SF was indie, and lasted longer.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 6 July 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)


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