Are their other songs that suggest that the artist knows insultingly little about the subject in question? Or that the artist is just completely clueless in general?
(Although I've never heard it, Pat Boone's In A Metal Mood is instantly springing to mind...)
― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)
― b. austin (6335), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)
"On our trip to England I noticed something obscenePeople still actually give a shit about the Queen"
― barafundle (barafundle), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)
and aha! Wikipedia has details
― cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)
― musically (musically), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)
it's based on an actual flag Francis Scott Key saw flying at Fort McHenry during the War of 1812. wiki's got it covered
― cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)
Even the tiniest bit of research would likely have prompted Paul, Delores and Jim to go 'Err, maybe I'm a bit out of my depth here.'Proof, if proof were needed, that the circular, useless nature of sectarian violence is nowhere near as terrifying as the circular, useless nature of Bono's influence on 'issue' rock.
― Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)
"But we know frogs go (CLAP) sha la la la la, they DON'T GO mmh mmmh blahhhhhh"!!!!
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)
― darren (darren), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)
to which you could add whatever Gang of four song it is that has the chorus 'H-Block/ Long Kesh' and Sham 69's 'Ulster'
― sonofstan (sonofstan), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)
I agree that "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" is a bit of a one-dimensional take, but for the record it predates Bono's recording career by something close to a decade. I'd say that means it's Paul McCartney's circular, useless influence on 'issue' rock that's in play but I don't think that thesis really holds much water. Is John Lennon ultimately to blame? Dylan?
Incidentally, I love "England Swings" and continue to picture England in its jolly tones even after having been there twice. "Bobbies on bicycles, two by two" - that's just how it is! "Westminister Abbey, the Tower, Big Ben" - those things are sure there!
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)
see there once was this parochial style of music in the states called COUNTRY and Roger Miller was not only a gifted practioner of same but something of a SATIRIST who poked fun at the genre he worked in. plus there was a lot of media hype in the mid 60s about "swinging London" and four long-haired musi...ah fukk it.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)
Jeru talking about "the Sixteenth Chapel" or the clip that "killed Noriega."
Daz or Kurupt calling himself "the black Idi Amin."
Canibus and Common: "I'm your worst nightmare squared. That's double for n**** who ain't mathematically aware."
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)
― dr lulu (dr lulu), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)
They're fine if your worst nightmare is the number 2, though!
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)
AH, HA HA!
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)
Their heart was in the right place and it's an epic song. But MFK was killed in the evening, not the "early morning" of April 4.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)
Yeah, I was just thirteenYou might say I was a musical proverbial knee-highWhen I heard a couple new-sounding tunes on the tubesAnd they blasted me sky-highAnd the record man said every oneIs a yellow Sun Record from Nashville
Errrrrrrrrr, that should be yellow Sun Records from Memphis of course
― Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)
(Not trying to argue - I just don't know half of the lyrics. I do like that song, tho.)
― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)
Interesting about "Take Me Out To The Ballgame." I didn't know that we usually sing just the chorus.
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)
"Everybody's gone surfin, surfin USA"
So, he knows they aren't here. And he knows where they have gone.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)
― harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)
― DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)
...How can I go onWhen every alpha particle hides a neon nucleus?
No, Billy, it's a helium nucleus.
― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)
― musically (musically), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)
But people *do* still give a shit! Witness lots of flag-waving mooks out on the street at jubilee/trooping the colour/general royal walkabout type things.
(unless, of course, you think that the cluelessness is them thinking that this is obscene, in which case, erm...)
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)
― clotpoll (Clotpoll), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002TWJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)
that was by lester bangs, and can be found in main lines, blood feasts, and bad taste: a lester bangs reader. and yeah, lester pretty much nails it.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)
can't for the life of me remember which songs ("Holly" is a good guess for republica, but i haven't played the cd in ages . . . and i think i actually sold the Sunscreem on account of the lyrics being so awful)
― cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)
― cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)
Except that the desert environment in the song is pretty removed from the mountains of Kashmir and the music seems to reference Arabic music more than Indian or Pakistani music. They'd said themselves that they were inspired by their travels in Morocco. I still think it's a great song of course. (And I've never been to Kashmir either.)
When I did a seminar presentation on this song [extreme and potentially confusing simplification ahead], my music and pomo prof suggested that the sense of frustration in the song (deriving from the way that, in the main riff, when the guitars [in 3] reach their climax the drums [in 4] have already started their cycle again so the climax is never really attained) actually kind of undercuts the lyrics by bringing home the inability to ever truly connect with or know 'the East' or more broadly, the 'other,' which is maybe the central feeling in the song. So the song functions as its own self-critique in a weird way.
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)
― bendy (bendy), Thursday, 13 July 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)
― dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 14 July 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)
Add to that "Beach Baby"'s trip to San Jose.
More dubious placement: Olivia Newton-John claiming Nashville heritage and a fondness for good Kentucky whiskey in "Please Mister Please," Grace Slick attempting to apprehend skater culture on "Skateboard," and the legendary BJ Snowden immortalizing "Canada." (Pilot did the same, but far less amusingly.)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 14 July 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Adolescence Mokushiroku! (gendo ikari), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
http://idisk.mac.com/mysticalbeast/Public/SmartGirls.mp3
Which is clueless on many levels.
― bendy (bendy), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)
― bendy (bendy), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)
Yeah, there's a rock/metal tradition of using vague "oriental" tropes and scales to stand in for the whole eastern world. Led Zep are not alone in taking that approach, and I'm sure they were well aware they didn't understand their subject, or did so only superficially. It's pretty self conscious in its orientalist approach. Great song, though.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)
― mike a (mike a), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)
I initially read that as 'porno prof' and assumed his thesis had been about the use of wah-wah in Johnny Wadd films.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)
John Webster was one of the best there wasHe was the author of two major tragediesThe White Devil and The Duchess of MalfiorThe White Devil and The Duchess of Malfior"
― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)
"Don't Stop Believin'", by Journey, references a "South Detroit", which would place the protagonist's birthplace in Windsor, Ontario, Canada...
― hank (hank s), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)