Clueless songs and artists

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Inspired by Roger Miller's "England Swings", which has always suggested to me that Mr. Miller once heard a thing or two about some far-off land called "Engalind" but did absolutely no research before writing a half-assed song in its honor.

Are their other songs that suggest that the artist knows insultingly little about the subject in question? Or that the artist is just completely clueless in general?

(Although I've never heard it, Pat Boone's In A Metal Mood is instantly springing to mind...)

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Doobie Bros.-China Grove (the real China Grove, TX is nothing like it)

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Alanis Morissette "Ironic"

Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Led Zeppelin - "Kashmir" (The lyrics to the song include "Let me take you there," but nobody in the band, they admitted themselves, had ever actually been to Kashmir!)

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

They may have known about Kashmir and placed themselves in a fictional narrative that takes place there, like a historical novel or half of everything humanity has ever written. I'm not sure that makes them clueless per se.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

When you have a riff like the one Page cooked up for "Kashmir," Plant could be singing a chocolate cake recipe for all I care.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

brian wilson didn't surf

b. austin (6335), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

In a Metal Mood is an absolute CLASSIC. Pat hadn't only BEEN to metallvia, he'd absorbed precisely the amount of local culture necessary to forge his swangin' thang into a ponderous and fearful Hummer-o-destruction. I daresay it's his finest moment.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

My British Tour Diary - Of Montreal

"On our trip to England I noticed something obscene
People still actually give a shit about the Queen"

barafundle (barafundle), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me: I saw Jeff Buckley play a solo show (small and intimate) in Toronto a coupla months before Grace was released. During a bit of audience-banter he expressed, with apparently genuine astonishment, how surprised he was at the availability of genuine Jamaican jerk chicken "up here"! Didn't realize that he was performing in One Of The Most Multicultural Cities In The World. To his credit, he seemed contrite and sincerely thanked an audience member for clueing him in. (Small, intimate crowd, like I said.)

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

i've heard that whatever tin pan alley songwriter who wrote "take me out to the ballgame" had never been to one

and aha! Wikipedia has details

cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

"The Star-Spangled Banner" - a flag would be unlikely to survive rockets and bursting bombs.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

Walrus's do not go "goo goo g'joob".

musically (musically), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)


"The Star-Spangled Banner" - a flag would be unlikely to survive rockets and bursting bombs.

it's based on an actual flag Francis Scott Key saw flying at Fort McHenry during the War of 1812. wiki's got it covered

cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Paul McCartney 'Give Ireland Back To The Irish'
The Cranberries 'Zombie'
Simple Minds 'Belfast Child'

Even the tiniest bit of research would likely have prompted Paul, Delores and Jim to go 'Err, maybe I'm a bit out of my depth here.'
Proof, if proof were needed, that the circular, useless nature of sectarian violence is nowhere near as terrifying as the circular, useless nature of Bono's influence on 'issue' rock.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

Walrus's do not go "goo goo g'joob".
-- musically (emxbe...) (webmail), Today 6:08 AM. (later) (link)

"But we know frogs go (CLAP) sha la la la la,
they DON'T GO mmh mmmh blahhhhhh"!!!!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

OH I WISH I WAS A PUNK GOBBLER WITH FLOWERS IN MY HAIR

Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

My first thought when I saw this thread was to remember the clueless way some established UK family-friendly artists appropriated the 'new romantic' look and sound, two years late around 1982-3. Best egs of this for me are David Essex's "Me and My Girl - Nightclubbing", including of course his comedic white-suited turn on TOTP, and any Bucks Fizz around 1983, particularly "When We Were Young".

darren (darren), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

Even the tiniest bit of research would likely have prompted Paul, Delores and Jim to go 'Err, maybe I'm a bit out of my depth here.'
Proof, if proof were needed, that the circular, useless nature of sectarian violence is nowhere near as terrifying as the circular, useless nature of Bono's influence on 'issue' rock.

to which you could add whatever Gang of four song it is that has the chorus 'H-Block/ Long Kesh' and Sham 69's 'Ulster'

sonofstan (sonofstan), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

Paul McCartney 'Give Ireland Back To The Irish' [...]
Proof, if proof were needed, that the circular, useless nature of sectarian violence is nowhere near as terrifying as the circular, useless nature of Bono's influence on 'issue' rock.

I agree that "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" is a bit of a one-dimensional take, but for the record it predates Bono's recording career by something close to a decade. I'd say that means it's Paul McCartney's circular, useless influence on 'issue' rock that's in play but I don't think that thesis really holds much water. Is John Lennon ultimately to blame? Dylan?

Incidentally, I love "England Swings" and continue to picture England in its jolly tones even after having been there twice. "Bobbies on bicycles, two by two" - that's just how it is! "Westminister Abbey, the Tower, Big Ben" - those things are sure there!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

in "glory days" springsteen sings, "he could throw that speedball by you..." in baseball, it's called a fastball, not a speedball. unless the pitcher was somehow throwing heroin and cocaine at the batter.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Miller once heard a thing or two about some far-off land called "Engalind" but did absolutely no research before writing a half-assed song in its honor

see there once was this parochial style of music in the states called COUNTRY and Roger Miller was not only a gifted practioner of same but something of a SATIRIST who poked fun at the genre he worked in. plus there was a lot of media hype in the mid 60s about "swinging London" and four long-haired musi...ah fukk it.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Rappers trying to sound smart frequently get F's on their report cards:

Jeru talking about "the Sixteenth Chapel" or the clip that "killed Noriega."

Daz or Kurupt calling himself "the black Idi Amin."

Canibus and Common: "I'm your worst nightmare squared. That's double for n**** who ain't mathematically aware."

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Kim Wilde - Kids In America

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Gascoigne - Fog On The Tyne

dr lulu (dr lulu), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

Canibus and Common: "I'm your worst nightmare squared. That's double for n**** who ain't mathematically aware."

They're fine if your worst nightmare is the number 2, though!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://muppet.wikia.com/images/thumb/a/a1/Count.jpg/300px-Count.jpg

AH, HA HA!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Diesel - "Sausalito Summernight"

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Megadeth's cover of "Anarchy In the UK"

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

U2--Pride

Their heart was in the right place and it's an epic song. But MFK was killed in the evening, not the "early morning" of April 4.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

.. and I was just going to add that, right here.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

"Nashville Cats" by Lovin' Spoonful:

Yeah, I was just thirteen
You might say I was a musical proverbial knee-high
When I heard a couple new-sounding tunes on the tubes
And they blasted me sky-high
And the record man said every one
Is a yellow Sun Record from Nashville

Errrrrrrrrr, that should be yellow Sun Records from Memphis of course

Dadaismus (Are we in love like I think we be?) (Dada), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

What parts of "Sausolito Summernight" make Diesel clueless?

(Not trying to argue - I just don't know half of the lyrics. I do like that song, tho.)

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

"Sausalito Summernight" just sounds like a song about California by someone who's never been to California, let alone the US. The choice of Sausalito as the destination is strange enough (like "Kids In America"'s shout-out to East California), but the imagery and syntax of lyrics like "Let's put a quarter in the meter and hit the sidewalk for awhile/I'll have a burger and a root beer" nails it.

Interesting about "Take Me Out To The Ballgame." I didn't know that we usually sing just the chorus.

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Brian Wilson was mentioned. Consider This:

"Everybody's gone surfin, surfin USA"

So, he knows they aren't here. And he knows where they have gone.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

The Lebanon by The Human League. I've never been sure whether that song was supposed to sound dumb or was a serious attempt to document a situation. Either way, it's funny. And everyone knows the line about shops.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
Eight days a week to thread then ...

DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Harvey, Phil Oakes said in Rip It Up... that "The Lebanon" was indeed a political song. About as deep as Culture Club's "War Song," but political nonetheless.

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

and hey, can I raise this thread a "War, war is stupid/and people are stupid?"

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've mentioned this before, but.
From Billy Bragg's "Richard":

...How can I go on
When every alpha particle hides a neon nucleus?

No, Billy, it's a helium nucleus.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

I remember reading an essay on "Joey" by Bob Dylan, a song about the mobster Joey Gallo. The song was essentially about how Gallo was a good person, misunderstood, and peaceful, and the essay just ripped it apart, line by line. By the end there was nothing left...the entire song was complete bullshit.

musically (musically), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Craig David '7 Days'
Dude still lived with his mum when he wrote that.

Ruairi Wirewool (Ruairi Wirewool), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

"On our trip to England I noticed something obscene
People still actually give a shit about the Queen"

But people *do* still give a shit! Witness lots of flag-waving mooks out on the street at jubilee/trooping the colour/general royal walkabout type things.

(unless, of course, you think that the cluelessness is them thinking that this is obscene, in which case, erm...)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Also from Desire, "Mozambique." It cracks me up. I sort of hope that the lyrics were meant to be ironic, but it sounds so dopey and sincere.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

1 Kids in America Muffs 3:18
2 Shake Some Action David Lowery 4:25
3 The Ghost in You Counting Crows 3:30
4 Here Luscious Jackson 3:33
5 All the Young Dudes World Party 4:00
6 Fake Plastic Trees [Acoustic Version] Radiohead 4:45
7 Change Lightning Seeds 4:01
8 Need You Around Smoking Popes 3:42
9 Mullet Head Beastie Boys 2:53
10 Where'd You Go? Mighty Mighty Bosstones 3:16
11 Rollin' With My Homies Coolio 4:06
12 Alright Supergrass 3:01
13 My Forgotten Favorite Velocity Girl 3:49
14 Supermodel Jill Sobule 3:07

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002TWJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I remember reading an essay on "Joey" by Bob Dylan, a song about the mobster Joey Gallo. The song was essentially about how Gallo was a good person, misunderstood, and peaceful, and the essay just ripped it apart, line by line. By the end there was nothing left...the entire song was complete bullshit.

that was by lester bangs, and can be found in main lines, blood feasts, and bad taste: a lester bangs reader. and yeah, lester pretty much nails it.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Rage Against the Machine spits out some pretty ridiculous shit on Battle of Los Angeles ... a right to kill? Okay, dude.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

it struck me that neither Republica nor Sunscreem had the slightest idea how hollywood works, based on the lyrics to two particular songs

can't for the life of me remember which songs ("Holly" is a good guess for republica, but i haven't played the cd in ages . . . and i think i actually sold the Sunscreem on account of the lyrics being so awful)

cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

Clueless post...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

vague, admittedly. but . . . i *have* clues, i just need to follow up the leads.

cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

They may have known about Kashmir and placed themselves in a fictional narrative that takes place there, like a historical novel or half of everything humanity has ever written. I'm not sure that makes them clueless per se.

Except that the desert environment in the song is pretty removed from the mountains of Kashmir and the music seems to reference Arabic music more than Indian or Pakistani music. They'd said themselves that they were inspired by their travels in Morocco. I still think it's a great song of course. (And I've never been to Kashmir either.)

When I did a seminar presentation on this song [extreme and potentially confusing simplification ahead], my music and pomo prof suggested that the sense of frustration in the song (deriving from the way that, in the main riff, when the guitars [in 3] reach their climax the drums [in 4] have already started their cycle again so the climax is never really attained) actually kind of undercuts the lyrics by bringing home the inability to ever truly connect with or know 'the East' or more broadly, the 'other,' which is maybe the central feeling in the song. So the song functions as its own self-critique in a weird way.

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Any number of Nick Cave ballads seem to be set in a mid-20th Century American South, and are crammed with details that don't ring true. But I think he knows that. Not many Catholics down there back then to catch the references to saints and such, for starters.

bendy (bendy), Thursday, 13 July 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Even worse was when Polly Harvey went through her Cave inspired 'oh lord I get down on my knees' period.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 14 July 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

The choice of Sausalito as the destination is strange enough (like "Kids In America"'s shout-out to East California)

Add to that "Beach Baby"'s trip to San Jose.

More dubious placement: Olivia Newton-John claiming Nashville heritage and a fondness for good Kentucky whiskey in "Please Mister Please," Grace Slick attempting to apprehend skater culture on "Skateboard," and the legendary BJ Snowden immortalizing "Canada." (Pilot did the same, but far less amusingly.)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 14 July 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

The line in "Everything's Just Wonderful" where Lily Allen talks about how she can't get a flat because the bureaucrats won't give her a mortgage: I'm not intimately familiar with Lily Allen or her finances, but it does somehow seem a bit unlikely. Actually, several of Lily Allen's songs could probably be charitably summed up as being "unlikely." Which is not meant as any kind of criticism.

Adolescence Mokushiroku! (gendo ikari), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and there there is Brian Wilson's Smart Girls

http://idisk.mac.com/mysticalbeast/Public/SmartGirls.mp3

Which is clueless on many levels.

bendy (bendy), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and then there is Brian Wilson's Smart Girls

http://idisk.mac.com/mysticalbeast/Public/SmartGirls.mp3

bendy (bendy), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

When I did a seminar presentation on this song [extreme and potentially confusing simplification ahead], my music and pomo prof suggested that the sense of frustration in the song (deriving from the way that, in the main riff, when the guitars [in 3] reach their climax the drums [in 4] have already started their cycle again so the climax is never really attained) actually kind of undercuts the lyrics by bringing home the inability to ever truly connect with or know 'the East' or more broadly, the 'other,' which is maybe the central feeling in the song. So the song functions as its own self-critique in a weird way.

Yeah, there's a rock/metal tradition of using vague "oriental" tropes and scales to stand in for the whole eastern world. Led Zep are not alone in taking that approach, and I'm sure they were well aware they didn't understand their subject, or did so only superficially. It's pretty self conscious in its orientalist approach. Great song, though.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

The Bay City Rollers. From Edinburgh, Scotland, but picked a US city name at random to sound more American.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

my music and pomo prof

I initially read that as 'porno prof' and assumed his thesis had been about the use of wah-wah in Johnny Wadd films.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Echo and the Bunnymen on Jacobean tragedy:

John Webster was one of the best there was
He was the author of two major tragedies
The White Devil and The Duchess of Malfior
The White Devil and The Duchess of Malfior"

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Paper Lace misreading Chicago geography and inventing an "east side."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

can't mention this one enough:

"Don't Stop Believin'", by Journey, references a "South Detroit", which would place the protagonist's birthplace in Windsor, Ontario, Canada...

hank (hank s), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)


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