Synthesizer, I love you...

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Apologies if this has been done before, had a wee search and couldn't find anything. If it has been done, just ignore me...

...but if it hasn't:

for those of you who just absolutely adore the synthesizer as much as I do,

1) What piece of music first opened your ears to the miraculous possibilities of the synth?

2) Who, do you believe has used it to its fullest potenital?

3) Who still, in this age of soft synths for all, manages to still knock your socks off in terms of their astounding and constantly surprising use of synthetic sound production? - Can the synthesiser still astound?

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

too many stills, - apologies

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

Good questions all. Probably number 1 was Gary Numan's "Cars," but more in an unconscious fashion -- consciously would have to be the Human League's "Don't You Want Me," as in I heard it and immediately was blown away by it, and still remember the moment clearly. The other two, hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 August 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

1) What piece of music first opened your ears to the miraculous possibilities of the synth?

i'm pretty sure the first two usages of synth that really made an impression on me were the CHiPS theme and blondie's "heart of glass."

rudy huxtable can't fail (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 7 August 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oxygene by Jean Michelle Jarre, I think.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 7 August 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

1). Soft Cells "Tainted Love"

2). Thomas Dolby

3). ...Can the synthesiser still astound? : Oh HELL yes! I love synths.

candice (divifold), Monday, 7 August 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

1) Kraftwerk's "Autobahn" and Aphex's "...I Care Because You Do" or "Analogue Bubblebath"
2) Toss-up between Eno and Moroder
3) Richard D. James

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Monday, 7 August 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

1) eno on remake / remodel
2) ilhan mimaroglu or babbitt or mion - one of them bunch
3) ?? not sure anymore - there's so much out there to enjoy

phil turnbull (philT), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)

1) "Don't You Want Me" by Human League
2) Depeche Mode
3) IMO, no. But it is still a useful tool, now used in almost any popular musical genre.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

1)intro to Pink Floyd's "Shine on you Crazy Diamond" being used in many TV documentaries in the late '70's/early '80's.

2)Michael Stearns on the Serge Modular on "Planetary Unfolding" 1981, or possibly Morton Subotnick's Buckla recordings esp "A Sky of Cloudless Sulfur"

3) It's difficuly/impossible for the synthesiser to astound like it used to, the novelty factor is long, long gone.

These guys, "astrogator" from Nottingham, played a set in Leeds last month that fucking owned.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 August 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

i don't want to err and call something a synth if it isn't (until a few months ago i would have answered "trans-europe express," but i'm told that's actually a guitar).

1. my dad used to test new stereo equipment with a copy of "Switched on Bach."

2. the heights of new order are hard to top.

3. that's a synth broadcast uses, right? keep that up..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

1) What piece of music first opened your ears to the miraculous possibilities of the synth?

I remember loving 'West End Girls' when it reached #1 and wanting to play keyboards at that point on (even tho synth work on it isn't particularly amazing, just some really nice pads). See also 'Axel F' and 'n-n-n-nineteen'. I liked it when people played the synths on a strap ala guitar on TV. I think Mark Moore of S Express did this on TOTP and I thought 'this sounds great, I want to be like him'.

2) Who, do you believe has used it to its fullest potenital?

Aphex Twin - he built his own didn't he? Vince Clarke! Rick Smith! and over the years Kraftwerk (the 'Tour De France' album sounds so rich) - this is all in the digital polyphonic age tho after other people took analogue synths to their full potential (inc. BBC Radiophonic, YMO and Jean Jacques-Perry)

3) Who still, in this age of soft synths for all, manages to still knock your socks off in terms of their astounding and constantly surprising use of synthetic sound production? - Can the synthesiser still astound?

i dunno about innovation but i really love and was v impressed by the synths on The Knife album.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

1) The intro to "Pornography" by The Cure, when a quiet, ominous whine suddenly turns into a full-grown menacing growl.

2) I don't have the musical authority to answer this, but of those I've heard, perhaps Broadcast?

3) M83, fo' sho'.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

1. Well, Hot Butter's "Popcorn" and Apollo 100's "Joy" were two of my favourite records when I was 5, but of course I had no clue how such sounds were made. So, the first thing that alerted me to the existence of such amazing machines would be - get this - "The Captain & Tennille Show"! The Cap'n played a solo full of sci-fi noises that blew me away, watching him twist all those knobs.

2. Can't think of just one, sorry! Eno, Stevie Wonder, Bernie Worrell, Allen Ravenstine & Giorgio are probably my top five.

3. Can't think of even one, sorry. I'm sure the Aphex Twins and the Orbitals and etc. are doing good things, if I wasn't too lazy to check 'em out. (Actually, call me immodest; but I really REALLY get a kick out of the amateurish idiot-savant stuff I've been doing (for) myself ever since I found all those free virtual-analog softsynths online.

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

How could I forget Orbital? They replace Broadcast, RIGHT THIS SECOND.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7520/moroo4.jpg

aphid bokmål (dude dude), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, never knew that about Trans Europe Express, and I really must track down the CHiPs theme tune, would love to hear it again,

For me, I guess it has to be Donna Summer 'I Feel Love' that and later on 'Humanoid' By Stakker, although i guess the latter has as much to do with samplers as synthesisers. Gary Numan, Soft Cell and Jarre all made a big impression on me as a boy, although I wouldn't recommend letting children listen to Gazza - it upsets and depresses them. Funnily enough I picked up a second hand vinyl copy of Replicas the other day, and was really surprized by the amount of live instrumentation on it. In my mind I thought it had mainly been synthetic sounds.

I think the Tomita stuff is some of the most expressive and subtle stuff I've ever heard. 'Clair de Lune' still utterly slays me. No one ever did it better than Kraftwerk of course, but it's neck and neck with them and Tangerine Dream for me, I've got my older brother's taste in music to thank for that. I guess its the melancholy, a kind of wierd nostaligia for an imagined distopian future, that Kraftwerk managed to imbue their sound with that sets them apart, certainly compared to the, at times, relentlessly optimist Jarre. Although being driven through the Alps whilst listening to Oxygene is still one of my fondest childhood holiday memories.

Today? Well to a large extent pop's passionate love affair with the synth is over isn't it? Although they're still good friends. The Knife album is gorgeous, and personally I enjoy Goldfrapp's 'lets push all the right buttons' approach (in small doses). I guess Atom Heart -(Uwe Schmidt), although I certainly don't know all his work, impresses me regularly. Delia and Gavin are a breath of fresh air too, I like the fact they build (some of) their own instuments. I'm always made slightly uneasy, however, by the size of the debt they owe to TD.

More often than not nowadays, however, the synth is the sound of the past rather than the future.

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's odd for me, but although I really love electronica (from the 1950s to today), I think the things that I'm most enamoured of are the instruments themselves. I mean, just look at this:

http://www.sequencer.de/pix/sequential_DSI/pro_one.gif

It's so beautiful.

And this was my first love:

http://www.synthmuseum.com/korg/kortridentmkii01.jpg

emil.y (emil.y), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

favorite?

Talking Heads--This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody)

taxing the Prophet 5...

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

emil.y -otm, recently got one of these:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/images/sh2000.jpg

wee old ugly duckling, but I love her.

lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

a. The Silver Apples
b. Morton Subotnick (naturally)
c. Walter/Wendy Carlos

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

synth lovers must check matrixsynth on the regular, your one-stop shop for synth p0rn....

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

1)Strangely, although I was a devout follower of synth pop the first uses of it that stirred me was probably its use by The Who (Won't get fooled again) and other classic rock icons like Steve Miller as punctuation rather than a lead instrument

2)Christ I dont know who used it best. Aphex is a good default, but vince clark did do some awesome stuff as artists from most other genere's including Eno, Herbie Hancock, Parliment Funkadelic's keyboardist, etc...

3)I am astounded all the time by current dance music so no problem with that one. Let me mention again how much I still like plink plonk .

hector (hector), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

1. Nothing in particular. I just happened to be a very small child during the golden age of polyphonic synths(80-85). Synths just happened to be the dominant production tool of the pop music of my formative years.

2. I have no idea. Music is too broad to really say. Do you vote for Autechre, Stevie Wonder, or Patric Cowley? I think Deep Space by Juan Atkins is a hard record to beat.

The record that really turned me on was Low by Bowie and the the Eno records of that era and Kraftwerk. Later, I got into I care Because You Do by Aphex and Techno.

3. I am not interested in being astounded by new synth sounds. I am more interested in complete productions with good songs.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

> until a few months ago i would have answered "trans-europe express," but i'm told that's actually a guitar

You what? Kraftwerk? Guitar? I think not.

In response to lexurian's questions:

1) Probably The Model, when it was re-released in 1982 and hit number one in the British charts. I was a little too young to have properly appreciated the Human League's miraculous run of singles in the previous year, but I still remember how thrillingly alien Kraftwerk sounded to me. I was hooked.

2) Over the years, Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode have both continued to make dazzling use of every advance in the technology. Wendy Carlos, the T.O.N.T.O. guys, Tomita and the Yellow Magic Orchestra achieved truly remarkable results during the heyday of the analogue era.
Trevor Horn and his Art of Noise cohorts signposted the future during the dawn of the digital age.
Orbital's In Sides album is still amazing, as is Aphex Twin's Windowlicker and the Future Sound of London's Papua New Guinea. BT is curiously underrated - although he eventually disappeared up his own fundament in a frenzy of micro-programming, his early material (e.g. The Voyage of Ima) is a thrilling blend of traditional musicianship and futuristic production.

3) Recent trends in electronic music (e.g. laptop glitch, minimalist house) have led to a real low-point for the genre, artistically speaking. I find it both interesting and encouraging that the best stuff I've heard in the past couple of years has been created by women - Ellen Allien is great, and Ada's Blondie album is marvellous.

Palomino (Palomino), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

until a few months ago i would have answered "trans-europe express," but i'm told that's actually a guitar

You what? Kraftwerk? Guitar? I think not.

actually, i think i read that on ILM.. maybe on one of the many startrekman threads? someone might have been just messing with him..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well Kraftwerk used to be more of a guitar band than synth....

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

The fact that no one's even mentioned Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman makes me feel old.

Wub-Fur Internet Radio (wubfur), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

1. I'm thankful for Monty's mention of Hot Butter's "Popcorn", because I had totally forgotten how much I loved that song when I was little. It was actually probably the first time I was introduced to a synthesizer-driven song I liked/loved. I was well acquainted with "Runaway" by Del Shannon, but I didn't take to it. "Popcorn" OTOH? Loved it. I still do. It's just so darn catchy.

2. I think the Brits have best utilized the synth in pop/rock music, though some American and Australian acts (and a few from Europe) have done synthpop/synthrock justice. I think the best example of this non-British lot is probably Pseudo Echo.

3. I'm not certain very many new artists can do with synths that which makes me feel alive, that the artists of the classic New Wave/synthpop era of the early - mid '80s did. Perhaps it's because synth technology has progressed to the point where synths now sound too natural, too much a part of the overall background sound, but I think a new artist is going to have to go back and use the synths of the early '80s for me to really think them worthy of securing as much of my attention as that which I impart to my beloved '80s music.

Oh, and sorry Wub-Fur, but I really don't like classic rock-type music.

Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - I think that Emerson was possibly more impressive as a Hammond organ player than a synthesist! (Not that I have the complete ELP/Nice catalogs to make certain.)

And that wasn't really a synth in "Runaway", PHoenix! (I believe it was possibly a Clavioline.)

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

1. probably "planet earth" by duran duran (and i was pretty young)
2. my gut says early 808 state, but there are so many answers to this!
3. ryoji ikeda

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

I thought "Runaway" was supposed to be known as the first pop single to utilize a synth...? Oh wait, I just Wiki'ed "clavioline" and you're right, it was that. Which is classified as a keyboard, which isn't exactly the same as a synth, which also means "Runaway" was the first pop single to utilize a keyboard. Um, this was to Monty.

Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

this is also complete rubbish BTW: Recent trends in electronic music (e.g. laptop glitch, minimalist house) have led to a real low-point for the genre, artistically speaking

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

no one creates a synth thread without me....

I am the official Synth question asker around here


1) Grandmaster Flash "The Message" aint sure what they used in that song. I love the extensive synth work in there.

2) Stevie Wonder, Eurythmics, Human League, Midnight Star, Cameo.

3) Prophet 5, Ob-Xa, Synclavier, DX-7.

The Startrekman (Startrekman), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's halfway correct. While I really do like some of the synth sounds I hear on those tracks, that music is more about production techniques (editing, playing with effects) than new, groundbreaking synthesizer techniques.

x-post

naus (Robert T), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

ok, complete rubbish is harsh, but in 2006 what constitutes groundbreaking synth techniques? artists like isolee and matmos do not represent an artistic low point by any stretch of the imagination. and then there's matthew herbert, the knife, the first alex smoke album, the wighnomy brothers, dettinger, "rej", rhythm and sound, villalobos...

breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

something something... blah... Allen Ravenstine ...

S- (sgh), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

Mark my words, the next big thing is going to be crappy Yamaha keyboards from Target and Best Buy being used to create great, textured, elaborate and convincing music. We now have twenty years' worth of these ugly-colored cheap plastic things, now filtered through the garage sale economy and in the hands of enough people that someone is going to make a masterpiece with them. Certainly they've shown up as novelty texture or part of overall "toy instrument" concepts, but in the last few years I've started to see bands built entirely around these things, and creating very, very good sounds that way. Maybe I'm just over-jazzed because this is partly what I'm trying to do as Doctor Casino and so I'm going to get a buzz when I see other people doing the same thing, but I really think we're poised for a huge, fabulous album whose initial soundbite is "made using only keyboards that originally retailed for under $100!" or something.

(The one to watch: the Yamaha DJX, whose corny "DJ" sounds and textures distract from a surprisingly good array of effects and modificiations available for the standard Yamaha general MIDI set, plus a VERY good supply of bass and drum sounds.)

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

A buddy of mine who used to do sound for the h0use of blu3s said that he ran into DJXs far more often than any other keyboard at the time. They're very sturdy and sound a lot better than you'd expect out of a $300 (that's at least what they used to go for, how much are they runnning these days?) keyboard that tries to do everything.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

You what? Kraftwerk? Guitar? I think not.

"autobahn" actually has a coupla guitar solos in it!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

That, and their first three albums seemed to be more as a guitar band with a keyboard rather than their later electronic/synth band with guitars.

less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

re Kraftwerk guitar, don't forget the 'slap bassy' sound on 'Tour De France'

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

That's a pretty easy sound to program, actually.

naus (Robert T), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

DO YOU SLEEP WITH SYNTHESIZERS?

Headache Mordant (Bimble...), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

Fetchboy - Continuing our cross-thread DJX celebration, I actually spent a good chunk of the ILX outage today playing with mine. Got nowhere with one song that continues to elude me, but had mondo major success on another one, thanks to that trusty overlooked sidekick, "Brite Piano" (#157). What a workhorse. Not sure how much mine actually cost - it was a Christmas present a couple years after the machine originally debuted. I would guess around $200.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

1) us 80s kids popped right out of a synthesizer. i think i first fell in love with the gm chip in my atari when i was three or something. the theme tune to magic pockets.

2) impossible to answer! this is worse than deciding on who your favourite guitarist is! i think aphex got there first in the race to push things to the limit and then spread the word. now everything seems to be about what you take out, rather than throw in. things are starting to get interesting.

3) a lot of dance producers i guess. does it really matter? nowadays you can make more noises than stockhausen could in the 50s with a sequencer and a plug in. or if you're really clever, notepad. when it comes to mixing a synth with a piece of music, again, dance producers are winning, i couldn't tell you which one though.

fats (TomTomGo!!!), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

nowadays you can make more noises than stockhausen could in the 50s

But not the same ones Stockhausen did, instead you're generally making the same noises as everyone else is

My Mind's Not Made of Gravel (Dada), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Pleasure Principle for sure ... the track that did it for me was Observer.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

the theme tune to magic pockets.

Doin' The Do!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think the first thing I remember that got me into electronic music were those animated drawing sequences in "Rainbow", which were obviously not produced on a synthesizer, in fact when I heard Stockhausen for the first time that's what it reminded me of! Then there's the Doctor Who theme. But, for actual synthesizers, I'd say "Autobahn" and Tangerine Dream.

My Mind's Not Made of Gravel (Dada), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

1) As another child of the 80s, it's pretty much impossible for me to guess at the first time I really heard synthesizers. I definitely remember the first time I heard the name - it was on Tiny Toons, when with much fanfare Buster breaks out some colossal, three-story keyboard contraption and declares it to be a synthesizer. And by the time I was actively listening to music that would have had synths in it, it was the "age of electronica!" and synths were in my mind sort of jumbled together with samples, breakbeats, turntables, and Odelay. I'd have to say my ears have been gradually opened without me even noticing it.
3) I don't think the synthesizer can "astound" any more than any other instrument at this point - its mere presence certainly lost any novelty a long time ago, so it's a little like asking "can the guitar still astound?" I'm generally kind of disinterested in the project of doing astounding things in sound, what I want is great recordings of great songs that are synth-based in some way or another. For example, The Blow's Poor Aim: Love Songs or "Out of Zone" by the Marbles - synth productions with no major innovation to speak of, but killer, killer tracks. See also the stuff on Max Tundra's Mastered By Guy At The Exchange, etc etc.

2) That said! I can still go ape over a synth sound on a record. Love the purity and warmth on Stevie Wonder's 70s records. In the same vein, Eddy Grant's Walking on Sunshine is one thousand percent gorgeous - download "My Love, My Love" for probably the most joyous synths you've ever heard. Oh, and Bernie Worrell of course, I can't even begin to pick one song or album in particular for that guy.

And let's not forget Doctor Casino, new-wave master of the DJX! (cough)

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm Synthesizer I Love You

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

http://ivansafrin.com/musla/

This is pretty cool. A synth programming language.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 November 2011 07:01 (thirteen years ago)

It's just like writing music in BASIC. Sounds great!

I've been obsessed over generative synth Youtubes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ4--MaAiD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM8emp9WHwk

...options. (Ówen P.), Thursday, 17 November 2011 11:11 (thirteen years ago)

oh my god that max window

owenf, Thursday, 17 November 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago)

i do enjoy watching the buchla videos just so that i can dream of having one, such a cute fucking machine.

historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago)


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