In what sense is "SOS" by rihanna not a house record?

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Just wondering...

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

No piano! [/house purist]

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have it with me but it might be just a little too slow for that. Check the Jason Nevins remix for the difference...

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

ah, the ol' nevins magic.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's not a tempo thing surely. 'SOS' original sounds like standard house speed (120-125bpm) but more 'shuffley' obv.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

beat not very prominent in the mix. (have only seen on tv, this could be off-base.)

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's not 4/4 is it? it's like 7/8 or something?* (shuffly, as stevem says). it's not house in the same way that tainted love is not house.

*rubbish at these things - is it 7/8 or 15/16 or maybe even 4/4 but with a swing that makes it sound different?

xps

but yeah enrq is right too.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

just imagine one of your favorite house records "mixed" with this song - or sing it, over the top - the ways in which it doesn't work are the senses in which it's not a house record, is my scientific answer.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think Enrique OTM re: beat prominence

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

also verse-chorus structure.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's more chorus-chorus-chorus.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

There's no 4/4 kick, it's quite simple. It MIGHT count as a schaffel record though.

Lex you are on crack, there are a million house records with a verse-chorus-verse structure.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

"move your body" has a 4/4 kick though, doesn't it, and that's not a house record either.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

by nina sky i mean

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

"Move Yr Body" isn't a house record? Since when?

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

this is a 4/4 record really tho, it's just that the beat is a little off the usual place. i'm not even sure how they do this so the brain picks up on the difference because if you were sequencing this the bassdrum would occur on every fourth beat as with a house track no? maybe it's where everything else is positioned (esp. vocals) that creates the illusion of it not sounding straight up 4/4.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

ENGLISH PEOPLE SHOCKED TO LEARN NOT EVERYTHING IS A HOUSE RECORD

― PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

it's cos the

doo-doo,doo-doo,doo-doo,dooroo

of the tainted love sample sings along as

on-two, three-four, five-six, seven

in your head.

or something.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

"move your body" has a 4/4 kick though, doesn't it, and that's not a house record either.
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...) (webmail), August 7th, 2006 1:38 PM. (tracerhand) (later) (link)
by nina sky i mean
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...) (webmail), August 7th, 2006 1:40 PM. (tracerhand) (later) (link)

"Move Yr Body" isn't a house record? Since when?

Sorry please completely disregard me, sanity will return. I missed the key "by nina sky" part.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 7 August 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

house is a feeling(?)

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

It's based on triplets. It's 4/4 but each beat is a triplet, and thus it doens't have that standard 4/4 kick. This is likely the "shuffle-y" thing Konal Doddz referred to.

― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

i don't understand.

why did they teach me pointless science, instead of music.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's not strictly-speaking based on triplets at all, but there's an entire schaffel thread that goes into the distinction.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

But yes, in most straightforward house the beat is divided into two, usually marked by a hi-hat or something. In SOS the beat is divided into three which gives it the bounce and the schaffel feel (see also Some Girls, Monstertruckdriver, Hot Love etc etc). We've done this in a lot of detail already.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

7/8???

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 August 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Slow? SOS/Tainted Love is nearly 140 bpm

Thinking Tainted Love and its derivitives are house due to some 4 on the floorish beat would make a lot of pre-House synth pop/italo/etc songs as being house too.

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

12/8! 12/8 time, people! And no its not house.

― It's Rodney, assume the position! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 7 August 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

12/8 = 3/2 morans!

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 7 August 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, no. Definately not 3/2.

― It's Rodney, assume the position! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 7 August 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's not fractions.

i'm not convinced at 12/8 either tbh.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 August 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Trust me dude, it's 12/8. The 12/8 is divided into 4 groups of three (basically same as 4/4 with triplets).

― It's Rodney, assume the position! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

i've never been able to dance to 12/8

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

it's not fractions.

yes it is. just admit it.

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

why is it that when these issues come up everybody starts acting like an expert on time signatures? hey fucktards, i don't understand musical time either, but i can keep my innate desire to tell strangers that they're wrong in check.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think this is a rather good way of describing the whole schaeffel rubbish. its all about the down beats.

No, it is not. This mistake is repeated over and over in the music press and begins to drive a person crazy. There is not a single track on Schaffelfieber 2, for example, in 6/8 or 3/4. Period. It is all 4/4.

As for the source: not in T Rex's "Hot Love," not in Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll Pt. 2", is there a 6/8 or 3/4 time signature.

Sure, yes, absolutely all of those tracks have a swing that characterizes the "schaffel" feel, and and for that reason one can easily superimpose triplets* over the beat (hence the delusion that one is dealing with groups of threes), but all aforementioned tracks are in 4/4 time. In other words, the measures begin after loops of four or eight, the downbeats always occur in groupings of four, not groupings of 3 or 6.

This is not subjective, btw, just music 101 or whatever.

*Michael Mayer's "Love is Stronger Than Pride" makes the triplets explicit, but the measures are still grouped according to fours. "Unter Null" works in the same way.

Waltzes are "obviously" in 3/4.

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

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