An Over-40 Listens to the Top 40

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Has there been a thread yet on this awesome, Derogatis-esque article:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/10/music.top40revisited.ap/index.html

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm honored to vote each year on nominees to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Therein the problem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Still, while pat and obvious, this is accurate enough:

Culture's splintering has made the Top 40 less influential. Hundreds of radio stations cater to individual tastes. If that's not good enough, you can program your iPod. If you want to ignore the Top 40, it's quite easy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, I just saw this:

ihttp://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/10/music.top40revisited.ap/vert.top.40.ap.jpg

Beautiful. At least he clearly knew how it would end up looking.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

That picture is great, it's true.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's actually not as bad as I initially thought. Two biggest problems with it -- way too much emphasis on lyrics over sound (perhaps inevitable) and crunk, it seems, does not compute. But a lot of points are made that aren't far removed at all from a Chuck Eddy approach, say, and in a mass market context it works quite well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

covers the forgettable 1980s rocker "Life is a Highway."

The Tom Cochrane version came out in 1992. [/pedant]

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed the part where he implored the rappers to add more horns or something.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Tom Cochrane version came out in 1992. [/pedant]

by far the least noteworthy factual ERROR in that statement

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

haha!

"Hire a few musicians and a new world will open up! We're talking to you, Field Mob. And you, Lil Jon. And Chamillionaire, E-40, Young Dro, Chris Brown, Cherish ..."

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone knows country isn't really country anymore

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

No mention of the Paris Hilton song - is she not in the top 40 right now?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Those darn musicians, deej! If only they would hire themselves out more!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

No mention of the Paris Hilton song - is she not in the top 40 right now?

He mentions it in the sidebar, Tim. Calls it a guilty pleasure.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

"You don't have to be 16 anymore to find something to like in the Top 40.

"But it helps."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I've read a lot worse. But hasn't the Top 40 been mostly anonymous pop acts, guilty pleasures, and one-hit wonders since the beginning of time. Don't see where that has changed.

Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like his anti-golden-ageism and don't care for his "what's up with that?!" "jokes."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's numbing how many rap songs consist of little more than a repetitious synthesizer hook and electronic percussion.

if you delete "rap" from that sentence i guarantee you can find it in some similar aging-rocker-dude column from 1982. how can anyone still be hung up on "drum machines" in 2006?

i give him points for liking "unfaithful" and the xtina song. and at least he resisted talking about the "real musicianship" of john mayer (resisted talking about john mayer at all, good for him).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://web.archive.org/web/20011021070522/http://newyorker.com/THE_CRITICS/A_CRITIC_AT_LARGE/?010820crat_atlarge

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

In rock 'n' roll, it's frightening that this may be remembered as the Nickelback era. Is there a more grating lead singer on the charts than Chad Kroeger? He's like that guy in Crash Test Dummies, if he gargled with gravel. Emo has little to offer, either. If Panic! At the Disco's Brendon Urie sings that phrase "a sense of poise and rationality" in the wrong place, he's going to get worked over.

Bahahaha ok, I like this guy.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone knows country isn't really country anymore

that's sort of OTM actually, it's essentially suburban music now, there aren't enough people left in small town USA to make it that popular. even the themes are much more suburban less rural now, altho there is a certain amount of rural fantasy going on, sort of idealizing rural small towns for people that never lived there.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Kelly Clarkson has the strongest rock 'n' roll spirit of anyone on the charts,

the influence of Frank Kogan seeps into the mainstream

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

and I sorta agree abt contemporary country, too. actually hstencil put it best on a thread last year, it should be called something else. "suburban shitkick rock"

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

anti-urban music

cable country

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

As someone who was in the same boat a couple of years ago (and still somewhat is; the learning curve was slower than I thought it would be), I can understand where he's coming from. Kind of shallow, though. Wonder how long he actually spent listening to the stuff?

moriarty (moriarty), Thursday, 10 August 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

but the Top 40 doesn't have a single song to make a rocker punch his fist in glee.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

i was listening to the radio at the gym earlier and thinking that the charts right now are better than they've been in a couple of years.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Really? I remember last year Elbow's rather excellent Forget Myself storming the charts and thinking that this was a good thing, perhaps it's a matter of taste.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

there were good singles last year, but a greater concentration of them this year -- more good songs on the charts at any given time, and the songs have better replay value.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Just looked through the chart list, and I have to say that I've either not heard 'em or I've hated 'em. Which ones would you say are worthy of a second listen?

(If you say 'The Automatic - Monster' I might puke)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

For the most part, I agree with this guy. Today's music sucks!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

i give up.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

no, seriously. I haven't heard many of them and I'm sure there must be a few good'uns.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

for starters, pcd's "buttons," rhianna's "s.o.s." and "unfaithful," xtina's "ain't no other man," gnarls barkley's "crazy" (i finally succumbed), kelis' "bossy," shakira's "hips don't lie," letoya's "torn," and to a lesser extent beyonce's "deja vu."

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

i am in dire need of a decent stereo.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

I've not heard any of those (even Crazy, which everyone else seems to love), so my mind is open.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

also: field mob feat. ciara "so what" is effervescent.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

The mixture of irony, sincerity, and cynicism in this excerpt made my eyes bleed:

It's a long way from Aretha Franklin's "Respect." Today's women expect and demand it. You'll be thinking of another b-word when Kelis sings "Bossy." Romance means more than moonlit walks on the beach to Cassie and Kandy Girl, and they don't hesitate to say so.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

The last sentence is magic:

MOST LIKELY TO BE ON THE RADIO IN 20 YEARS: Daniel Powter's "Bad Day," and not just because it was adopted by "American Idol." He takes a universal topic and skillfully puts it into words. It will live forever, and make songwriter Powter very, very rich.

I'm going to introduce him to Diane Warren.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha, i missed that line. apparently no one else on the pop charts deals with universal themes.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

for starters, pcd's "buttons," rhianna's "s.o.s." and "unfaithful," xtina's "ain't no other man," gnarls barkley's "crazy" (i finally succumbed), kelis' "bossy," shakira's "hips don't lie," letoya's "torn," and to a lesser extent beyonce's "deja vu."

"Bossy" is a piece of moronic shitscum.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

dear andrew: delete ilx now pls, you know you want to

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

He's a supposed king music writer, and yet, he's confused by Gnarls Barkley?

WillS (WillS), Friday, 11 August 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'd kinda think if there was any song right now that was a shoe-in for "On the Radio in 20 Years" it'd be "Crazy." Surprised he has nothing at all to say about it.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Who is this Gnarls Barkley, and what does he want?

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

for starters, pcd's "buttons," rhianna's "s.o.s." and "unfaithful," xtina's "ain't no other man," gnarls barkley's "crazy" (i finally succumbed), kelis' "bossy," shakira's "hips don't lie," letoya's "torn," and to a lesser extent beyonce's "deja vu."

"Bossy" is the woarstest song ever, "Hips Don't Like is also horrible. The Letoya song is boring and "Buttons" is highly meh. The Rihanna songs, Xtina, teh Gnarls & "Deja Vu" are the winners from that list.

The future of Rodney got a -- (R. J. Greene), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hips Don't Like

Ha, good typo on my part.

The future of Rodney got a -- (R. J. Greene), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, "Top 40"? 23 Skiddoo! Gramps doesn't know Jack, or Bob or any of those kookoo formats tha kids listen to today! People have been saying "country isn't country anymore" for at least fifty years, but it's always reflected changes in its audience, as any pop genre (incl rock) must, to make some money, even without bigass hits (so there still is something called jazz, to some extent, even aside from Kind Of Blue)(Norah Jones isn't jazz, but Blue Note adapted to her moppet- in-Cline-Nation cosmic lounge tendencies shared by a wistful, ageing demographic, and now they got money for jazz).Don't worry, country's as neurotic as ever, even with big ol retro geetars. Rap with instruments: should we send him some Roots? (or some Hornby? Powter, sheet!)

don (dow), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Or some Gnarls Barkley, which was on the list.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 11 August 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

by happingstance, i did this exact exercise a week or two back, largely for procrastinatory reasons. it confirmed pretty much everything i already thought i knew, and turned me into something of a self-loathing white male (nickelback, john mayer, the fray, nick lachey, rascal flatts, panic!, gah...). that week had a nice consecutive run of jessica-paris-ashlee, which at least made for a cheap joke about a simpson-hilton sandwich.

"bossy" is excellent, i don't understand people not liking that song. i resisted "crazy" too, a little, because it seems way more like a prefab classic than any of the ostensibly prefab things on the chart. but still, a classic's a classic. (it's too fast, is the problem. dangermouse doesn't dance, i guess. which, i mean, no surprise. he's an auteur, after all.) i can take or leave "s.o.s.", but "unfaithful" is great -- so gothy, "i don'wanna be...........a murderer". bonus revelation being that rihanna can sing. and i kinda love how georgia-centric the chart still is, years after everyone supposedly stopped caring. it strikes me really with "snap yo fingers" how what lil jon did/does is just plain old rock n roll -- a beat, a hook, some shouty chorus or other, repeat as often as possible. i love that guy.


gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 11 August 2006 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

i'm hoping for an uber-portentous (and even more gothy) eurodance remix of "unfaithful" so i can segue it with real mccoy's "run away" on mixtapes.

Ari El-Pincus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 August 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Rihanna can definitely sing.

xpost

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 11 August 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

also: field mob feat. ciara "so what" is effervescent.

yes it totally is - she sounds so wilfully self-deluding, but also so in love, on the chorus.

"Bossy" is the woarstest song ever, "Hips Don't Like is also horrible. The Letoya song is boring and "Buttons" is highly meh.

which is the letoya single, 'torn'? there's LOTS better on the album. 'buttonz' is really addictive, kind of a pinnacle of generic scott storch synth hip hop, it's so fascinatingly robotic. people are confusing 'underwhelming' with 'terrible re 'bossy' (and again there's better on the album, it's just a v bizarre choice of lead single).

i like articles like this, outside perspective is always interesting. like when the telegraph sent their opera correspondent to review a bjork gig.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

How'd she fare?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 11 August 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

oh they liked it, a lot, it was just interesting to see the different values of a different form of criticism mapped on to a pop artist. i'll see if i can dig it up actually.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

THE DAILY TELEGRAPH(LONDON)

September 25, 2001, Tuesday

Bjork proves a very fine swan indeed

BYLINE: By Rupert Christiansen

SECTION: Pg. 21

LENGTH: 433 words

Music
Bjork
LONDON COLISEUM

I HOPE that readers will forgive an opera critic's temporary trespass into pop territory, but the prospect of the Icelandic chanteuse Bjork positioning herself behind the thoroughly operatic proscenium of the London Coliseum, as part of a global tour of classical music venues, was irresistibly intriguing. And I do think that the coteries of "serious" contemporary music could learn a lot from her.

Eclecticism is the most striking feature of Bjork's musicality. An early academic training, as well as elements of punk, jazz, electronics and her native traditions, all feed into her songs, most of which she writes herself. This concert, for instance, opens with her spotlit in a chair, cranking an old music box before a symphony orchestra launches into a prelude of positively Wagnerian nobility.

Her backing group is a choir of 15 Innuit women, and, instead of the usual crass guitar and drums thumping, the rhythms are subtly synthesized by Matmos, a pair of San Franciscan hi-tech radicals. She also duets with an astounding North Canadian called Tagaq who hisses, wheezes, grunts and squeals.

Her own singing style is a combination of punk belting with a falsetto soprano extension. Its strangely childlike quality is complemented by her mesmerising dancing, which is more a hop and a skip around the primary school playground than maenadic disco gyration. Swathed in a black-feathered costume that looks half Swan Lake, half Moulin Rouge, she is lost in a world of her own and shows no sign of a return to Planet Earth.

It's an act that could be an awful mish-mash of phoney pretensions and failed ambitions - rock music for art-school pseuds. But Bjork clearly believes in it all passionately, and that sincerity gave the show integrity and focus, whether in relatively conventional hits from her early albums such as Human Behaviour and Possibly Maybe, or the haunting Pagan Poetry, with its clanging gamelan accompaniment, from her new release, Vespertine.

Other highlights of a relatively short but padding-free concert were a solo version of I Have Seen it All (originally sung as a duet with Radiohead's Thom Yorke in the movie Dancer in the Dark) and the modal I am Strong in his Hands, which, with the help of Zeena Parkins's superb harp-playing, ended up sounding like a Highland folk song.

At such moments, Bjork makes Madonna look like a slick package of nothing, and also uncomfortably reminds one that so many of the singers who normally grace this stage simply don't have a personality.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

i resisted "crazy" too, a little, because it seems way more like a prefab classic than any of the ostensibly prefab things on the chart. but still, a classic's a classic. (it's too fast, is the problem. dangermouse doesn't dance, i guess. which, i mean, no surprise. he's an auteur, after all.)

YouTube the slower performance from Top of the Pops--much better (bcz less Dangermouse.)

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 11 August 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

As someone who's not the biggest Bjork fan (though I am a fan), I wish he'd gone into more depth, but I'm glad he liked it. Thanks for digging that up. I was v. curious, as I've been listening to the remasters over the past month.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

Matmos, a pair of San Franciscan hi-tech radicals

That wacky Drew!

Slower take on "Crazy" would be good, I'd think. And this has all reminded me that the Rihanna album probably is no bad thing. (Then again, are the singles the only good things on it?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

the rest of the rihanna album is either a) mid-tempo skanking reggae, b) one of two further mega-dramatic powerballads in the vein of 'unfaithful' (albeit less mental in their metaphorical bent), c) 'break it off' a super-buff dancehall banger with sean paul which i have heard THREE times now on hackney buses and which will surely be the next single. i was initally disappointed with it but am growing to love it quite a lot.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say, that all sounds fine to me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

(We still need to work on How Best to Save the World From Chris Martin, BTW.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

if the ballads on the nelly furtado album are anything to go by, the answer is to get timbaland to try to copy what coldplay do, completely fail at that, but come up with a rather shimmery and gorgeous new aesthetic of his own.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

You're saying he created ballads that weren't her typical schlock? Truly the man IS a genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, buy the Rihanna album in the next chart-reporting period? I'm down. [xpost to Ned]

Lex has a great idea; can we get Gang Gang Dance in on it, too?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Good grief, Derek Dull lives! (re. Torygraph Bjork review above)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

You're saying he created ballads that weren't her typical schlock? Truly the man IS a genius.

it started on the brandy album from a couple of years back i think! when tim kept going on and on about his love for coldplay - he sampled 'clocks' on 'should i go' and brandy sang the line "think i wanna hear some coldplay" on 'i tried'. and on the ballads, they're this kind of weird digital attempt at coldplayesque epic melancholy - you know, stadium wistfulness, that weird mix of rock bombast and mewling bedroom self-pity that they do. but it WORKED, which was weird (and made me realise that there might just be something in that aesthetic which coldplay totally fail to get right due to hamfistedness, lack of melody, chris martin's voice, being total tossers &c &c).

and, yeah - 'say it right' and 'all good things (come to an end)' on the furtado album are more in that vein. in fact i think c martin co-wrote the latter, and it was slated to be a duet, until THANKFULLY rekkid company shenanigans forced them to remove his voice from it. i've heard the original duet and it's ghastly; the version on the album is really rather lovely.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

actually marcello i think the torygraph review is really interesting, in terms of the things he automatically focuses on - the dancing (how often to rock critics focus on the physical performativity of the rock gig?), the surprise that bjork writes her songs herself, the classical frames of reference.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

there might just be something in that aesthetic which coldplay totally fail to get right due to hamfistedness, lack of melody, chris martin's voice, being total tossers

Yeah, pretty much. (It's not a vein you're much interested in ;-) but I can see all the roots of what Coldplay do and the thing is they're roots I mostly love [fuck a Jeff Buckley though], and so to hear those feebs turn it all into mulch makes me contemplate sweet, sweet revenge.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

timbaland is reclaiming it then! you should hear that brandy track 'i tried', ned - it's all about wanting to curl up in bed under the duvet, a general melancholy/wistful mood rather than specific angst, but the sound is simultaneously a) absolutely ideal for this and b) really expansive and space-filling.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

I R pleased. Yeah, I never heard that Brandy album so I missed that (unless it came out as a single and I was all 'uh, what?')

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

the singles were 'talk about our love', 'afrodisiac' and 'who is she 2 u?' i think - i really love the whole album though.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Re "real country" from today's country: Why is it only country that attracts this kind of claptrap? Why do people not moan that Usher isn't "real" R&B because his shit doesn't sound like Louis Jordan?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Unless his name is on a Starbucks comp, TEH KIDZ don't care about Michael Jordan – er, Louis Jordan.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://jamesbond007.net/advers/Jourdan2.jpg

(Oh wait...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, the answer is that r'n'b is seen as constantly reinventing itself on the forefront of sonic evolution and shows how the only true innovation is there while country is of course regressive and never changes because all involved are patriarchal wife-beaters and so when country ever gets modern it is a sign that they've finally slightly caught up with the times. (I think I read this in Mojo.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Country music is good only when Rick Rubin produces an icon.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I typed out a long spiel about country reinventing itself as a new genre/demographic, the suburbanization of rural culture, Garth as the new Hank etc etc only to get POXY FULED when I tried to post. So I'll take that as a sign from above and rather than stirring up shit and getting called rockist I'll concur that it's been a v. good year for hit singles even to my jaded ears. Shakira is just the most exciting and creative thing I've heard on the radio in eons. Even "Ridin" tickles my fancy. That KT Tnustall song blows, though. woo woo

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

and turned me into something of a self-loathing white male (nickelback, john mayer, the fray, nick lachey, rascal flatts, panic!, gah...).

The Fray does not belong on this list. The single about cable cars although it really isn't, is wonderfully catchy. No wonder it's been on the chart for half a year now. Powter can have its place on the list.

danzig (danzig), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I can understand what you mean about country reinventing itself as a genre/demo, Mark; I think it's fair to say that's happened a lot less frequently within country-as-genre than within R&B-as-genre. So fair enough.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Shakira is just the most exciting and creative thing I've heard on the radio in eons

Shakira IS exciting and creative, but not "Hips Don't Lie" - Wyclef dug out one of his old songs and just had Shakira contort to it. It's great that she's conquering the world, but I just wish it wasn't that song.

danzig (danzig), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say, that song isn't evidence for Mark's claim like it should be!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

plus lots of country is really just good old american rock that for whatever reason the rock bizz decided americans didn't want to listen to anymore...like petty, mellancamp, reo speedwagon etc....i think bon jovi just had a country hit

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

for whatever reason the rock bizz decided americans didn't want to listen to anymore

"Should we support the melodicrock.com base?"

"They're fine supporting themselves."

"Very good."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

gotta confess I've heard "Hips" more frequently in the album context than radio, and it's hardly the best thing there so point taken.

yeah M. Matos that's part of what I was trying to say (and I didn't think yr post was really directed at me). The big point that I keep harping on is that country had a unique& defining relationship w/its past for a long time, much more tradition-oriented than R&B and that's what changed. Maybe now it's tied to a different tradition.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

There are different approaches, sensibilities, themes, resources (creative, skills, $, etc) in country, as in r&b and other genres.

don (dow), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)


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