Nat King Cole - the one and only thread

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amazingly there's no Nat King Cole thread on ILM (unless the search function is broken). I've been listening to him alot in the past few weeks, mostly the greatest hits, & oh my god THAT VOICE is just one of the greatest sounds in music. an absolutely perfect confluence of velvetty and gravelly. it's completely unique & perhaps one of the most distinctive voices ever.

of course he was also an incredibly important figure politically in the states through being one of the first prominent african americans on TV, with his own variety show. he has received some flack for not being militant enough in terms of the civil rights movement - i'm not going to talk about this simply because i don't know much about it, instead i'm going to put on "stardust" for about the 10th time this morning and *melt*.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 August 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know his music in detail, but yes, he had a fantastic voice.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Check out his trio days from the 30s and 40s. Straighten Up And Fly Right, Sweet Lorraine and Route 66 come to mind. He was a pretty slick customer on the piano.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 13 August 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Colin, do you have the "Love is the Thing" album with "Stardust," "Stay As Sweet As You Are," "When I Fall in Love," etc.? It is indeed to melt for.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Jim W OTM on his jazzy stuff. My favorite version of "Route 66" bar none. IIRC he smoked liked a furnace and died of lung cancer, but you sure can't hear it in his voice. The Capitol box is worth the $$$.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Who died and made him Nat King, huh?

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I remember reading that Nat King Cole was Chuck Berry's favorite music artist. I'd like to see Rolling Stone, Vh1, etc revise everything so that everything Rock and Roll now starts with him!

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

Aw. Is this the best we can do? The guy worked his ass and balls off (in L. Bangs' formulation re Bob Seger, who was on Capitol within a few years of Nat) and was a player in the civil-rights struggle on many levels whether he wanted to be or not. Great singer and pianist, all-around smooth guy and he had a TV show that's worth seeing. (It was on BET's jazz channel within at least the past few months; may still be. Nat offered everyone from Eartha Kitt to a Norman Granz-curated jazz show to Joe Bennett and the Sparkletones.)

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

Cole's style of jazz piano was very individualistic, modernistic to a degree but not really owing anything to the swing-into-bop fashions of the period; with the very notable exception of Oscar Peterson, has he had much subsequent influence on jazz pianists (Marian McPartland, maybe)?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

Krall, maybe, but she's got no rebop. (Sorry for second Bangs reference.) Of course, pianistically speaking, she seems to have gotten whatever she does have from Peterson.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 08:37 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
This is a sadly inadequate thread on one of the best vocalists ever, and a pretty damn fantastic pianist, too. I just scored the complete Capitol Records sessions, 18 discs worth. I'm only a tiny way through it, but there's just nothing bad to say about this man. When he sings, "I'm a shy guy / Wish I was a sly guy," I buy it in spite of the fact that he's clearly more sly than he's letting on. When he sings, "I get sentimental over nothing / Imagine how I feel about you," I am moved enough to immediately send it to my girlfriend. As far as pop vocalists go, Nat moves me more than even Sinatra, and in terms of jazz vocalists, he's still top-tier. And like I say, plays a helluva piano.

How does this man get so ignored? It's not like he ever turned to total schmaltz, just a bit of pop. He got huge with white people without even changing his game that much.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:09 (eighteen years ago)

Some of the later big pop singles are a little hard to take, but I'll go back and see if I can hear through those awful vocal choruses. I'm thinking of things like "Rambling Rose" and "Those Lazy, Crazy, Hazy Days of Summer." Kenan's right, though -- Cole had a giant smash with "Nature Boy," a pretty offbeat song for its era. I also love the rock-era "Looking Back," co-written by Brook Benton.

Search: the [i]After Midnight[/i} album, which paired a reunited Trio with guests such as Sweets Edison and Stuff Smith in 1956. Really marvelous.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 07:09 (eighteen years ago)

Yes. That's in this box, plus outtakes and stuff. That was my first Nat album.

kenan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

the greatest

jed_, Thursday, 25 November 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago)

I dig some of those early Ray Charles tunes where he just shamelessly cops Nat's vocal style.

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 25 November 2010 02:11 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Totally re-digging him. Little sly touches in all the small band stuff, very zen piano lines, and he sure knew how to sing the hell out of a song. Shame that he thought that cigarettes gave him his voice; turned out to be a very bad long-term strategy.

Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

he is amazing. i've got one of those cheapo proper 4CD box sets and it is wonderful thorughout.

tylerw, Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:13 (thirteen years ago)

what happend to that first half of the century songs poll (1900-1950) that was discussed after Johnny Fever's 50's poll? Am I imaginging this?

Anyway, Nat King Cole would own that list (with Nature Boy and The Christmas Song at least) even if he was really at his peak later.

I wish this period of pop music was discussed more often. the rock-and-rol-is-the-beggining-of-great-pop-music paradigm is long dead but you wouldn't know it from studying "greatest songs/artist/albums/compilations" list that are being created all the time.

gospodin simmel, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:03 (thirteen years ago)

*list

gospodin simmel, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

*lists dammit!

gospodin simmel, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Me on Nat's 20 Golden Greats: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/nat-king-cole-20-golden-greats.html.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 12:28 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I was just listening to the Trio's version of "You're the Cream in My Coffee" and lol'd at "Yer my Worcestershire, dear"

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 January 2014 17:15 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

bedtime music this past week. works.

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:41 (eleven years ago)

three years pass...

I was looking for Nat King Cole Christmas music as I usually around this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYApJtsyd0

brownie, Monday, 18 December 2017 02:36 (seven years ago)

The greatest voice ever

Stardust the greatest vocal performance ever

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 18 December 2017 08:56 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

Centennial today so straighten up and fly right.

Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 March 2019 16:52 (six years ago)

The trio recordings are some of my favorite jazz by anyone. They're overshadowed by his crooner stuff, which is obviously great too, but those '40s sides are just unimpeachable.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

Yup

Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:16 (six years ago)

Thirded

brimstead, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:47 (six years ago)

Having grown up with his pop stuff (my parents had this big six-album collection drawn from his Capitol years), he symbolizes the sleepy-time '50s to me--the pre-rock 'n' roll '50s, which really stuck around until the late '60s, though relegated to the bottom half of the pop charts by then--better than Patti Page or Rosemary Clooney or anybody else. There's a great scene in Badlands that illustrates that well.

http://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91Lg0Pd4RQL._SX425_.jpg

clemenza, Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:56 (six years ago)

The collection I'm talking about:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91Lg0Pd4RQL._SX425_.jpg

clemenza, Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:57 (six years ago)

If you haven't seen Badlands:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az6--30U0xw

clemenza, Sunday, 17 March 2019 19:04 (six years ago)

A jazz podcast I listen to did a feature the other week on his trio recordings, which I had never heard - incredible stuff, couldn't believe I'd been missing out on them all these years, will definitely be digging into it. They mentioned that he made a few instrumental piano LPs in the 50s? Are those worth seeking out?

One Eye Open, Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:58 (six years ago)

Standing on Yonge St. in Toronto (early '50s, I think).

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c17dc151aef1d1123479f51/5c1bef63c2241b9f1c37652d/5c4642ddcd83663a0964455b/1552508570976/Nat-King-Cole-CBC.jpeg?format=750w

clemenza, Monday, 18 March 2019 02:30 (six years ago)

xxxps to tipsy

Like the sound of that, all the 40's trio stuff I have of his has vox, any particular collection you'd recommend?

calzino, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:32 (six years ago)

I’ll take mine with the oss and fay and shifafa on the side, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk9uGPugXkc

Jazzbo, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:08 (six years ago)

this one always knocks me out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqTZJTg-BM

tylerw, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:51 (six years ago)

one year passes...

this one is overwhelming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYLWSo4fYM

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 28 November 2020 02:37 (four years ago)

one year passes...

This guy is incredibly smooth

I gather there's probably not a canonical album, but is there a recommended compilation?

Anyone recommend a biography?

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 5 May 2022 07:24 (three years ago)

I think I first got into Nat via a CD of early recordings which I think came free with a newspaper, ha.

Later I had a very good LP called Trio Days which was all instrumentals from that period, there are lots of similar compilations around that can probably be picked up very cheap.

OTOH this youtube playlist has basically everything that was on the LP I had, nearly in the same order!

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mc3F2vYWCpRA__fnevevPzPNmj_0nC3Yw

Could basically just listen to this forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mix2gQj8Dk

This jazzed up Rachmaninov is so good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM-FxdJgBW4

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Thursday, 5 May 2022 13:53 (three years ago)

I've been playing The Very Thought of You while I work all day today. Jesus.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 5 May 2022 15:00 (three years ago)

i only learned a couple years ago about his work as an instrumentalist, had always thought of him as purely a crooner, & cant believe i missed out on so much good stuff for so long

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 5 May 2022 15:05 (three years ago)

I didn't know about Cole's work as a pianist until a jazz teacher brought it up in class. I was floored when I got The Complete "After Midnight" Sessions (which has been reissued many times - there was an affordable SACD that sounded great, but it's now out-of-print and very expensive). A wonderful trio, and Cole really was a great jazz pianist.

Will Friedwald wrote a book on Cole - that may be worth checking out if want to explore his vocal records. I have a compilation somewhere that's great, but there have been so many that it's hard to recommend one without being more familiar with all of them.

birdistheword, Thursday, 5 May 2022 15:12 (three years ago)

Nat King Cole Sings / George Shearing Plays is one of my all time faves even without Nat on the keys. All of it just works.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:09 (three years ago)

thanks all, good recommendations.

that "The Man I Love" is wonderful

corrs unplugged, Friday, 6 May 2022 10:31 (three years ago)

I have nothing to add except, yes, his piano playing and trio were top-notch and he is still great even when “just” singing.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 May 2022 10:38 (three years ago)

damn, that Friedwald book is 651 pages

corrs unplugged, Friday, 6 May 2022 10:55 (three years ago)

Prolific author, him.

Johnny Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 May 2022 11:07 (three years ago)

Be warned, Friedwald hates rock music. But he's one of the best authorities on pre-rock pop music at the moment and certainly the most published who's still alive. (Gary Giddins is great too, though he's primarily a jazz critic and anything he writes on pre-rock pop is rooted in a jazz perspective - that would be mine as well, so that's no criticism against him.)

birdistheword, Friday, 6 May 2022 14:39 (three years ago)

one year passes...

I was revisiting "The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You)" tonight - a rare straight up holiday record (or records, I should say) that's actually a truly great recording. Aside from "Nature Boy," it's arguably Cole's greatest vocal release.

Thing is, Cole has recorded multiple versions of this song. Not an unusual practice, especially when the transition from mono to stereo was involved, but what's really disappointing is that the version that gets the most play these days is the least enjoyable one. Capitol commissioned an animated video that they uploaded to social media and YouTube two years ago, and THAT is the version they used for it. (To date, it's got 13 million plays on YouTube alone.) Wikipedia says this is the definitive version, but I vehemently disagree. I'll explain why in a minute.

First, here's what's reportedly the first studio recording of this song ever. It was famously written on an unbearably hot summer day in 1945, and this recording session happened a year later, featuring a trio arrangement by Cole, accompanied only by Oscar Moore on guitar and Johnny Miller on bass. (I may have posted this upthread, but I actually think Cole's jazz trio recordings are the best records he's ever made. I do think he is a great vocalist, but for various reasons including the songs involved and the musicianship, I play those earlier records more often than his vocal records.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isf42hchmD4

Great recording, but this version wasn't released until 1989 when it was accidentally included on one of Rhino Records' Christmas CD compilations. It was originally shelved because Cole decided to re-record it with more accompaniment: four strings, a harp, and drums. Capitol didn't like the idea because they thought it would alienate his core audience, but Cole prevailed. Recorded a little over two months later in August, it was released in November and became an enormous hit. For my money, this is the definitive version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-RXKcc0sZs

Soon, magnetic tape would be introduced into the recording industry, and by 1953, Capitol probably wanted to reissue a version that sounded more "modern" in terms of sound quality. So Nelson Riddle (who was only a year into his run of era-defining recordings with Frank Sinatra) arranged the song for a full orchestra, and Cole recorded a new version on to analog tape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlH9i6GN4yM

A great version as well, but Cole recorded yet another version 7 1/2 years later because by then STEREO had been introduced. This performance is the one most people hear today, and last year it was the one the Library of Congress selected for preservation. It's a really good performance, and I can see why people may prefer it....but the original mix is awful. It commits the same horrible sins as many of the earliest stereo records released by Capitol, RCA, Verve and others - it drowns everything, particularly the vocalist, in a shitload of echo, and I fucking hate that sound. It's so damn schmaltzy and it's probably why I never liked the record until I heard the 2013 remix presented below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fICNF8o2R-g

The first-generation three-track session tape does NOT have any of the compression, equalization and most importantly any of the echo that was added to the original stereo mix. When Analogue Productions reissued a large batch of Nat King Cole records in 2013, they hired Steve Hoffman and Kevin Gray to engineer them. A lot of ridiculous baggage attached to Hoffman, but to be fair, he usually does an amazing job with music of this vintage, and what he did here was make a new stereo mixdown from the original three-track, adding a much more tasteful and restrained level of equalization and echo to the recording. Night and day difference - I still prefer the original 1946 hit, but there's no denying that this 2013 mix of the 1961 recording is pretty stunning for its fidelity.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 November 2023 06:15 (one year ago)

Sorry - for that last link, jump to 15:07. I tried to bake that timecode into the link, but it didn't work.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 November 2023 06:16 (one year ago)

ten months pass...

this instrumental album penthouse serenade is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUJUdOdeH8

brimstead, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 15:04 (one year ago)

"What'll I Do"----King Cole Trio, Vocals, piano, bass, electric guitar, 1947:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVWwJaF6pc

The best Irving Berlin song I've heard, this side of "Blue Skies," and it suits the early noir era.

dow, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 19:29 (one year ago)

my Dad was a giant Nat King Cole fan and I loved "Straighten Up & Fly Right" so much. The Trio is wonderful, just timeless music

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 23:26 (one year ago)

Otm

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 23:40 (one year ago)

Anybody familiar with Nat King Cole En Espanol? I (still!) only know this great left field tribute to it---from my 2012 P&J comments:

I'm totally infatuated with David Murray Cuban Ensemble Play Nat King Cole En Espanol(some of these songs are Portuguese too, maybe). According to the press sheet, Cole's original versions, replete with stiff phonetic phrasing of fluid melodies, were received with affectionate amusement by his Latin fans (recalling Airto Moreita on Brazilian response to Getz's bossa nova). But IKC and/or his producers chose songs of amazing potential--there's no sense of Murray imposing his own thing, and/or renovating from the ground up. Stuff, frequently new stuff, happens every second, imposing no impressions of hyperactivity or claustrophobia. He likes to feature different sections of his Ensemble on diff subsets and recurring approaches--the horns don't ride your ass into the ground or the wallpaper, the accordion doesn't perk you into terminal Starbucks. A Yoda-like tango singer pops up at just the right moments. Murray's string arrangements alone are worth the price of admission (and would be even if I had actually paid for this disc, no doubt. Sure as Stefani!

dow, Thursday, 26 September 2024 02:00 (one year ago)

IKC? Ice King Cole, baby (maybe).

dow, Thursday, 26 September 2024 02:02 (one year ago)

I discovered it because of its prominent usage on the soundtrack for WKW’s In The Mood For Love and it’s brilliant. I love chuckling at his pronunciation.

trm (tombotomod), Friday, 27 September 2024 02:15 (one year ago)

Key sauce
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Josefa, Friday, 27 September 2024 02:24 (one year ago)

Invaluable radio show Night Lights listens to "Nat King Cole, Jazz Pianist"--from transcript:

...when Cole started out in the late 1930s, he thought of himself as a jazz pianist, and singing came as an afterthought, though it emerged early in the career of what came to be known as the Nat King Cole Trio--a swinging configuration of piano, guitar and bass and unison vocals that eventually morphed into a unit where Cole took the spotlight as primary singer...It wasn‘t a singer, though, but a pianist who made a deep impression on the young Nat King Cole, who was born on March 17, 1919 and grew up in Chicago. In 1957 he told DownBeat writer John Tynan that Earl Hines had been a key early role model:

It was his driving force that appealed to me. I first heard Hines in Chicago when I was a kid. He was regarded as the Louis Armstrong of piano players. His was a new, revolutionary kind of playing because he broke away from the eastern style. He broke that barrier, the barrier of what we called ‘stride piano,‘ where the left hand kept up a steady striding pattern.

... Pianist Bill Charlap has described Cole as "essentially a linear player (as opposed to a harmonic one)" but goes on to say that Cole‘s "linear language was a lot more streamlined and closer to the modern era" than his forebears Hines, Wilson and Tatum. "When I hear Nat," Charlap says, I hear foreshadowings especially of Oscar Peterson and the whole Detroit school, especially Tommy Flanagan and Hank Jones." As jazz critic Dan Morgenstern pointed out, you can hear how Cole influenced Peterson even in the short solo from this 1946 recording that Cole made under a pseudonym for the Keynote label.
...Decades later, reviewing a box-set reissue of the Cole trio‘s Capitol recordings, critic Gary Giddins wrote,

A few aspects of Cole‘s musicianship are immediately evident: the astonishing independence of voice and piano, for one--he rarely settles for mere pacing chords, preferring octaves and chromatic bass lines and subtly configured harmonies that complement and deepen the vocal interpretation. Then there is his wit and speed, lightning reflexes that hardly ever call attention to his technique but constantly spice his solos, interludes, intros, and codas. Then there is his lucidity and swing: on practically every one of those relatively rare occasions in which he performed with major jazz soloists, he stole the limelight. His solos are melodically sure, often sounding through-composed. His famous quote-heavy version of ‘Body and Soul,‘ of which there are several versions, is a spectacle of compression and relaxation… He had an individual sound on the piano, and a rare ability to shade that sound to the setting.

Lots of music here too, and btw if you see Video Missing on this transcript page, don't worry, you can stream the whole thing, also download it, if you have something like Chrome's Sound Pirate:
https://indianapublicmedia.org/nightlights/nat-king-cole-jazz-pianist.php

....

dow, Saturday, 28 September 2024 20:32 (one year ago)


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