To what extent is 'popism' borne out of the critic's fear of aging.

Please, for the love of god, I beg you -- never use this phrase again.

Great pop is great pop and I can still derive the same feelings from hearing a great new pop record that I did 30 years ago.

The fact is that the pop music coming out now is generally NOT VERY GOOD, just as it was NOT VERY GOOD in 1976 or 1986 or 1996, and people need to wipe the blinkers from their eyes and realise that.

I don't mean to suggest that most critics (or ILMers) would force themselves to like something they don't actually like because of this, but I think some might at least mute their reactions to new pop they don't like.

Wouldn't it be more fear-of-aging to glom onto "what's popular with The Kids Now" when you're twentysomething, an attempt to regain that excitement of My Very First Genre once more?

Wait, is there such a thing?

Is pop sans shiny packaging still pop?

Penman and Sinker are currently arguing that Boney M > AMM because the latter are snobs and laugh at people who lived and laughed and loved to Boney M.

But millions lived and laughed and loved to the Black and White Minstrels.

Doesn't mean they're actually any good.

no.

I mourn the passing of time. *cries and listens to nothing but Van Morrison because it's REAL, man!*

If suno))) looked and acted like Girls Aloud, they wouldn't be pop.

If suno))) looked like suno))) but sounded like Girls Aloud, they'd be pop.

Or maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here.

How many do you need before it becomes 'a good year for pop'?

What is even the point of measuring these things by year now?

Thats amazing, i had no idea.

Music is long dead, so we browse at the images of genres before selecting that one, claim it to be number one and the best, then listen to the fucking thing before finally deluding ourselves that this is great and means something. This goes for all -ists and everyone.

Except me, of course.

what bit of the word "generally" don't you understand?

How can any year be generally good for pop? When did quality ever exceed quantity?

it's complete bollocks because i was introduced to the concept by people who would consider themselves largely unhip and i would back them up on this.

You can only consider yourself unhip if you listen to folk, son.

I don't know any critic who listens to pop music enough to (a) consider himself a "popist"; (b) wonder whether by listening to Amerie he's drinking the elixir of youth.

in a weird way i think this is cos these deal with 'real life' better than so-called adult movies much of the time. they have the smallness of good indie movies.

Closet paedophilia?

WHAT DOES THAT MAKE MEEEE?

Hmm. I don't know if I've ever seen that stated so directly before. (Probably have, though.)

Anyway, pop and me/us and irony (it's a tangent): I don't like the word "ironic" not cause it doesn't hide a grain of truth but because it's really big and clumsy and shoves too much else in as well as the truth. I nowadays do, absolutely, love pop music. A while ago - a few years maybe - my relationship with it was a bit more complicated. It was something - this is also too crude - I felt I ought to like rather than something I really did like. This is how I'd got into most of the music I now love, mind you.

I felt I ought to like it cause I felt a bit sorry for it. It was always getting beat on by other people, and really it wasn't that bad and it could do with a mate. And I did enjoy it even if deep down I enjoyed other things more.

And then one evening I drunkenly posted somewhere that "Baby One More Time" was the best single of the year. And I got up in the morning and realised that a) there were loads of people telling me to fuck off and not be so ironic and b) I meant every word. And that was it really. It was like that bit in romantic films when leading lady gets dissed or is about to board a train to faraway or takes her glasses off and suddenly densely 'friendly' leading man thinks, blam!

Except pop doesn't love me back. Ah well. That's probably why I listen to Belle And Sebastian.

-- Tom (ebro...), April 11th, 2001.

Good thread.

The fact is that the pop music coming out now is generally NOT VERY GOOD, just as it was NOT VERY GOOD in 1976 or 1986 or 1996

Pop coming out in 1996 was the best in ages. Pop coming out in 1976 was also great (and sadly washed away by a punk revolution punk that should never happened). Pop in 1986 was not very good, pop in 2006/7 isn't either, but at least better than pop was in 2000/01.

Good thread.

-- Dom Passantino, Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:40 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

with ya boy hongro making an appearance it can only get better.

Is he H to the ongro, M to the izzo?
For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of Sisqo

Btw. the terms Generation X and Generation Y are being mis-used here.

Generation X - born from the late 60s until the mid 70s - were never into disco. We grew up on 80s new wave/new romantics/synthpop and later a lot of Gen X got into "alternative" (grunge, britpop). Today Generation X has mostly settled, but are still buying records by new acts such as Coldplay and Travis.

Generation Y - born from the late 70s until the late 80s - were already in their mid-to-late teens by 1996. They were the ones who made hip-hop and dance popular. They were - maybe because they were the first generation who were told in school and by their parents not to trust grownups (mainly to avoid sex crimes committed against them) - also one of the most ageist generations ever, and preferred to follow their own sports, have their own "slang" to a larger extent than anyone before them, their own very different clothes style (that has seemed to survive longer than most, but is now slowly on the decline), even their own attitudes towards drugs (only a few hippies were ever in favour of drugs out of the 68'ers). Generation Y will be written into history as the "different generation", as the next generation is already about to abandon most of their values and embrace older generations' values.

And they we are onto the next generation. They aren't christened yet, but let's call them Generation Z. Generation Z grew up on the kinds of music that Generation Y gave them, but have now started to investigate older music to find other styles. They love My Chemical Romance, Panic At The Disco, Green Day, The Darkness and old ÀC/DC and Iron Maiden records. They spend less time listening to music, though, as they are more busy using their mobile video camera to film their friends while they are trying to kill themselves in various dangerous "stunts" that are subsequently uploaded to Myspace, Facebook or Youtube. Because Myspace, Facebook and Youtube is where you find Gen Z, more than anywhere else.

Classic Geir

It's the post that had to be made.

That Generation Y definition is sheer lunacy

Writin' 'bout "young people" is not exactly Geir's area of expertise.

Writin' 'bout "young people" is not exactly Geir's area of expertise.

Of course Gen Y'ers don't like to be slagged, but they will feel more and more lonely the more younger generations embrace older generations' values rather than their own misguided ones.

great revive

http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/kids/bible/bible11-16/OldTest/pix/38.jpg

What are these misguided values of Gen Y, Geir?

Apart from their love of webcomics.

Is that a steel chair?

Forged in Satan's foundry

Yep, that's during Moses' time as WWE Champion.

Generation Y - born from the late 70s until the late 80s - were already in their mid-to-late teens by 1996

generation X/Y: chris fucking martin

Kids grow up so fast now what with all the crazy hip hop telling them to do so.

damn you, geir!

They spend less time listening to music, though, as they are more busy using their mobile video camera to film their friends while they are trying to kill themselves in various dangerous "stunts" that are subsequently uploaded to Myspace, Facebook or Youtube. Because Myspace, Facebook and Youtube is where you find Gen Z, more than anywhere else.

"Today's Christian doesn't think he needs God. He's got his Hi Fi, his boob tube, and his instant pizza pie"

What are these misguided values of Gen Y, Geir?

Mainly ageism.

Oooooh, vague!

Feeling old, Geir? (xp)

maybe because they were the first generation who were told in school and by their parents not to trust grownups (mainly to avoid sex crimes committed against them)

Generation Y, avoiding sex crimes!

geir: blaming the victims

They're ageists because of the rapists!!

omg

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Could make some comment here about parents telling their Gen Y children to avoid strange men like Geir but that would be cruel

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That is Geir for the ages.

preferred to follow their own sports

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/500679~Rollerball-2002-Posters.jpg

have their own "slang" to a larger extent than anyone before them

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/brrelos/AuSlang2.jpg

their own very different clothes style (that has seemed to survive longer than most, but is now slowly on the decline)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39872000/jpg/_39872772_group.jpg

even their own attitudes towards drugs

http://www.schooljournals.net/eline5/media/Lena%20pictures/yearight.jpg

truly beautiful insanity.

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That Geir post is the most ass-backwards thing I've ever read.

Geir you do realize that you're the one being ageist here?

old man geir hates them punk kids!

with their hippin and their hoppin

Basically: has popism become corrupted by those who don't want to accept that their generation is now the enemy?

we are all the enemy, the enemy is in our heads!

"Generation Y, avoiding sex crimes!"

This will be the chant for my neo-Grebo band (which exists now only in my head).