Full text of Alan Licht's Invisible Jukebox w/ Genesis P-Orridge

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, it's mostly all too familiar.

He played on the album Trip Reset, which I still consider the lost classic PTV album. It was meant to be promoted and toured with in 1995 before the fire, so it was lost because I was busy being... injured.

It was a piece of crap.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile, of course, I read through the whole interview.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

wow. thanks for posting this.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

A+

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

ok, that pic is going on the Why is Genesis P-Orridge attempting to transform himself into Carol Burnett? thread.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

I interviewed him once back in like '93, he's coming across a lot more self-reflective these days. he's obviously been through a lot and seems just a bit less full of himself, which makes him even more interesting. thanks for posting.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

pretty cute. impressive how he got Manson and the Cohen! this is hilarious|:

A: What do you think about the current rediscovery, or interest in, this scene?

G: (laughs) It's strange how quickly it happened. When I did that piece for ARTHUR ("My Ten Favorite Psychedelic Folk Songs" November 2004 issue) most people looked at me with a completely blank face... and yet within six months most people looked at me like "Oh yeah! I've got one of those... "

ha! as a decade-long Dr. Strangely Strangly fan ... been there!

Devendra Banhart obviously has something to do with that too.

:-( :-( fuck that loser

so cool that Alan picked a Patti boot to play -- obv a true head. (I have that one and it is definitely among her top boots)

anyway, really really cool interview that I wouldn't have seen otherwise. Thanx for posting, Timothy!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 8 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

and also can someone please repost : "My Ten Favorite Psychedelic Folk Songs" by GP-O?!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 8 September 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, I looked all over for that with no luck. It's Arthur #13, if anyone has it. Jay Babcock to thread?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 8 September 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing that Pearls Before Swine's Translucent Carriages is one, for t'was butchered by GPO on A Pagan Day.

Rockist_Scientist, OTM about Tripe Reset - horrible synthetic mid-90s production and absolutely cringeworthy content. I've blocked most of it out of my mind, but doesn't it have a track with GPO meowing on it?!

Rombald (rombald), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

When are they doing Justin Timberlake on Invisible Jukebox then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

He never wearies of telling the world all the wonderful things he has done.

I thought the way he tried to pull the plug on TOPY was extremely arrogant, as though it were nothing but an extension of himself. It's more of his whole "get with the program" attitude.

I wish I could find that very cutting Fred Gianelli interview.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the way he tried to pull the plug on TOPY was extremely arrogant, as though it were nothing but an extension of himself.

This same criticism was levelled at him by other members of Throbbing Gristle, as I recall

One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

This same criticism was levelled at him by other members of Throbbing Gristle

Regarding TG (or TOPY)?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

TG

One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I keep thinking of Vic Reeves' Big Night Out, "That was MY idea, that was!" Thing is, TOPY was GPO's idea, and not a very good one IMO, same could not be said of TG

One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but once TOPY was an actual independent organization, it wasn't just an idea. And given the strong anarchic sort of streak in it, it shouldn't be surprising that members would not simply follow orders to disband what had become to them a meaningful collective. (I was never a memeber, incidentally!)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

"Members", snigger

One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

You know what though, the eight live Psychic TV performances I saw were all fantastic. If it weren't for all the terrible recordings, I would probably not be as harsh.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

I saw them once, they were great!

One Man's Mede Is Another Man's Persian (Dada), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

roffle @ this thing I just read:

I visited the Temple of Psychic Youth once when they were still on Beck Road in London's East End. One of the office staff was proud that their head honcho had received a letter from Charles Manson. Apparently, he didn't mind that about all the letter said was, scrawled and misspelled, "You must be retarted."

from here:
http://www.varsity.utoronto.ca/archives/118/sep08/review/Manson.html

Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 9 September 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that PTV version of "Translucent Carriages" was beyond wretched. P-Orridge sounded like Elmer Fudd: "Da twanz-woozent cahwijezz..." How magickal it wuz. Weally.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Saturday, 9 September 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he was trying to imitate Tom Rapp's lisp and overshot?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 9 September 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

was marcello's timberlake comment sarcastic?

i thought the interview was interesting because of the amount of ground it covered and the way seemingly disparate arcs of music were tied together. a lot of the invisible jukeboxes are like that, but this one was especially good. (probably due to the unedited factor)

the acid house ptv gigs in chicago are legendary in house circles to this day.

i don't know how he could be himself without the arrogance.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Saturday, 9 September 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

"Da twanz-woozent cahwijezz..."

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

and also can someone please repost : "My Ten Favorite Psychedelic Folk Songs" by GP-O?!

^^^BUMP

señor citizen (eman), Saturday, 9 September 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

I just downloaded the Pearls Before Swine cover. Kind of afraid to listen.
So, what of the new PTV3 "Hell Is Invisible, Heaven is Her/e"? Anyone heard it/any reason to expect it to be any good?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 9 September 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

1 "meet me on the ledge" fairport convention
2 "when i get home" pentangle
3 "a very cellular song" incredible string band
4 "strangely strange but oddly normal" dr. strangely strange
5 "sign on my mind" same
6 "time has told me" nick drake
7 "my father was a lighthouse keeper" inc string band
8 "twanz-woozent cahwijezz" pbs
9 "war in peace" skip spence
10 "ducks on a pond" isb

The songs themselves. I haven't got the typing ability for the whole text.

terry ted (terry ted), Saturday, 9 September 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

from ARTHUR No. 13...


My Top Ten Favorite Psychedelic Folk Songs, by Genesis Breyer P-Orridge

I was invited to create a list of my personal FAVORITE music and so I did, for an English newspaper The Independent. I was happy to illustrate how different my taste is to the endless dark mediocrity of current so-called Industrial Music that people seem to assume I would like when I NEVER have!

A note about the number of Incredible String Band songs in the following list: In 1969, I was a member of The Exploding Galaxy kinetic performance troupe in London. Some members left to form Stone Monkey, who danced with the ISB for a while. I had been listening to the Incredible String Band since school. The surrealism and FREEDOM of the lyrics is what continually engages me: the subject matter of absurdity and spirituality combined. I feel the ISB are probably the lyrical geniuses of the ’60s and onwards, far more than the Beatles or Dylan, who become predictable and never really extended the form of the song as an open system in the same way. Once one gets the ISB all the other musics fall into place. These are the true troubadours of the last two centuries. They explore divinity and magick from a lyrical chivalric dimension. Combine this with the interdimensionality and you have works beyond compare. SUBLIME!

Go and explore, there are more stories in the drug mine of British folk than man hath dreamed of and Lewis Carroll hath penned to his own particular blend of paper.

Genesis Breyer P-Orridge
New York City, April 2004

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1. “Meet Me on the Ledge” by Fairport Convention
(from What We Did On Our Holidays, 1968)
When I was at Hull University this song was on the student-picked juke box. The in-joke amongst we flower children/soon-to-be-drop-outs was that when we wanted to score hash from the University dealer we’d put this record on as a buying signal and meet outside by the “hedge.”

2. “When I Get Home” by Pentangle
(from Light Flight compilation double CD, 1971)
This is amazing! Bert Jansch, John Renbourn, Richard Thompson and the crew evoke the most immersive sense of melancholy. I saw all the guitarists individually in the Hall of Residence cafeteria so this always makes me smell gravy and roast potatoes instead of think of alcoholism. A whiskydelic song as Lady Jaye would say.

3. “A Very Cellular Song” by the Incredible String Band
(from The Hangman’s Beautiful Daughter, 1968)
Probably my equal favourite song of all time. Full of whimsy, weirdness, surreal lyrics that insist they are profound when you know they are more likely just found. When it gets to a sequence which describes the feelings of an amoeba you know that you are, after all, in the presence of genius!

4. “Strangely Strange But Oddly Normal” by Dr. Strangely Strange
(from Kip of the Serenes, 1970)
I can’t imagine life without this band. They always bring joy to my heart. Rumour has it the main singer split to become a full-on Zen priest so they only made two albums. Both are total classics of British pre-raphaelite fairytales. No other peoples can pull off this nonsense poetry so authentically. The genius Joe Boyd brought them from Eire to record their masterpiece. You do not love words if you cannot love this song which has the silliest chorus ever written.

5. “Sign On My Mind” by Dr. Strangely Strange
(from Heavy Petting, 1970)
I used to have this on vinyl and the cover unfolded as intricately and dadaistically as the music and lyrics. Gnomic hippies peer from insubstantial cut-out trees as we are led a merry frolic into the surprise of a guitar solo by Gary Moore of Thin Lizzy fame! I have seriously considered doing a cover version of this song with The Master Musicians of Jajouka playing the flute parts.

6. “Time Has Told Me” by Nick Drake
(from Five Leaves Left, 1969)
The myth says that Rizzla rolling papers had one paper that said “Five Leaves Left” to warn stoners of impending doom. Of course, I could have chosen ANY song by Nick Drake. The intensity of melancholia drenching the analog tape, the sheer PRESENCE of his voice is an honour to share, as is the raw intimacy with which he describes turmoil, creating confusion in us by delicately flecking every edge of his words with guilty beauty.

7. “My Father Was a Lighthouse Keeper” by the Incredible String Band
(from Earthspan, 1972)
Here I am duty bound to confess I have at least 20 ISB CDs and albums! Never, ever, on any day, in any mood do I feel less than joyous to hear their voices and humor, their grand metaphysics and acid-drenched morality plays. At first I wasn’t surre about this era. L. Ron Hubbard supposedly wanted to guide their parables. But there is something in the violin—as an electric violin player since 1966 myself, I am a sucker for them. Now, I bellow along and feel the sea spray soak my mediaeval hose as I witness a murderous foam.

8. “Translucent Carriages” by Pearls Before Swine
(from Balaklava, 1965)
Tom Rapp is one of the great undiscovered poet songwriters from Eastern USA. Originally on ESP Disc alongside the Fugs and other neo-Beat nutters he occasionally lets slip a seductive lisp. I have never figured out the meaning of this song (which was first played to me by Annie Ryan in Liverpool in a post-acid glow) even though I did record it for the Psychic TV Pagan Day album. Answers on a dog-tag please. He is a lawyer now. Sensible man saw too much of the larval nature of mankind for his own peace of heart.

9. “War in Peace” by Alexander “Skip” Spence
(from Oar, 1969)
Skip was a Canadian bass player who switched to drums for the Jefferson Airplane during the acid madness until he was dropped in 1966 for missing a rehearsal! He turned up like a mad penny in Moby Grape next, still erratic and enigmatic. There’s the touch of Syd Barrett tragedy in the implosion and incompleteness of many of his songs. His deranged inspiration sneaks him in as folksy acid.

10. “Ducks on a Pond” by the Incredible String Band
(from Wee Tam and the Big Huge, 1968)
Yes, I know, there are so many others and where DO you draw the psychedelic line? By its very natyre it meanders and has no beginning, edge or point. I wanted to include the Blossom Toes’ “We Are Ever So Clean”; Nirvana’s “All of Us”; anything quirky by Syd Barrett (which means everything he did). Why I even toyed with Kaleidoscope from the USA and Dantalian’s Chariot (whose guitarist went on to play in The Police!!! Oh Andy Summers, ouch!). But “Ducks” is the 1968 masterpiece. A total artwork. A monster that will not shut up or stop spiralling around and around as dumb as a duck and as crazy as a fox complete with “inky scratches everywhere.”

JayBabcock (jabbercocky), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha, thanks Jay! I didn't think that would actually work.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

feel the sea spray soak my mediaeval hose

?!?!?!?

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 10 September 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

That Gianelli interview appears to have been purged from the web and the FOPI site. Wikipedia excerpt:

"In an extremely critical interview found on the FOPI (Family of Psychick Individuals) website (http://fopi.tribe.net/), the prolific former P-Orridge collaborator Fred Giannelli includes himself among the people who believe Acid House was created by and belongs solely to people who, as he puts it, "aren't white, aren't English and aren't short." For Giannelli, Juan Atkins and others in the Detroit scene were the true innovators."

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

Some of those Detroit house dudes might have been short!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

(How tall is Gen, anyway?)

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

well, of course. do people actually question that? i didn't get the sense from the interview that genesis claims to have invented acid house, but maybe he has changed his tune over the years? clearly jack the tab comes from a very different place.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

sorry that was an xpost

breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see what's arrogant about trying to get rid of a bunch of retarted followers who were getting shit wrong.

Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Sunday, 10 September 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)


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