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...According to Pitchfork. God dammit. They were wildly inconsistent, but Jackson released some truly awesome stuff in the label's prime (Circlesquare, MU, early Black Strobe, etc).

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

that is a shame. the kreeps 12" was very good.

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

great packaging (befitting an ace graphic designer)

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

damn....

― glen. (GlenGoetze), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

Also forgot to list: the DK7 album from last year.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

;___;

― genital hyphys (haitch), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

i really really like the first 7 hurtz album

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

Let them deal with paranoid artists with inflated egos who believe their own hype and request tour riders fit for royalty

so about whom is he talking??

four tet?

maurice fulton?

rude hagelstein?

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

if it was that yoko-type maurice fulton has been hanging out with then that's the SECOND label she's harpooned!

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

anyway maurice is totally going to destroy TIRK next, working with him is like the kiss of death for labels.

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

What happened with them and Tigersushi, anyway? I've read several interviews, articles, etc and none of them go into specifics. Fulton and Kanamori are still pretty bitter about it, to the extent that no one who has Tigersushi on their Myspace friends list will be reciprocally friended by MU. Yeesh.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

seriously, dude, homeboy kills every label he's ever been on

spectrum (rip 1999)
pagan (rip 2001)
transfusion (rip 2002)
nuphonic (rip 2002)
discfunction (rip 2003)

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

from what it sounds like, i think fulton and kanamori just wanted to get paid. probably exactly the same situation as herbert and clear records.

people who sign to minor/underground labels, then wake up one day and their face is all over music magazines and fashion magazines and lifestyle magazines, and they're like "fuck, i should've signed to a matador" and then they want to get paid and they're not going to take excuses / late checks from a bedroom label the way an artist like K.I.M. or poni hoax or even morgan geist might...

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

i think there's sort of a parallel between nuphonic + clear + tigersushi, too, in that you've got these labor-of-love record labels that are lavishing crazy money on packaging and stuff and overnight turning into huge cult labels and one day the artists wake up and are like "where's the beef"?!?!?

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

the bit about maurice f killing labels is just a joke though - obviously the problems w/ discfunction is quite a bit different than the problem w/ tigersushi

i am sure maurice + idjuts are still on great terms but that label was a good five years before its time

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

fitting he did this almost exactly on the day of release of the Rapture record.....for so many reasons. my tongue bleeds from biting it so hard.

― GALKIN (GALKIN), Thursday, 14 September 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

but i thought he only put out HOJL on output?

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Thursday, 14 September 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

in some interview when asked about the Mu diss record, Jackson says "[Tiger Sushi] treated Mu badly".

I'm pretty curious now, wasn't really aware of all that. Did they really fuck them over, or just inept, or missed communications?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

he released many many 12" singles off of Echoes, many remixes (black strobe, ewan pearson, maurice fulton, Manhead, Playgroup, Tiefschwarz etc etc) and he released the full length Echoes vinyl for the Rapture. He also designed the sleeve for Echoes.

― GALKIN (GALKIN), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

following this thread, i saw the DK7 promo album looking all unloved in a bin. love the late night dark electro pop aspect of it.
its not as good as circlesquare which i am still totally in awe of, but a few listens and it could be a close call.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty curious now, wasn't really aware of all that. Did they really fuck them over, or just inept, or missed communications?

i'm biting my tongue even harder than galkin was on sept. 14th.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

someone's gotta tell story some time, dammit, and i'm not holding my breath for that maurice fulton autobiography.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

you can always tell me off-list, I'll send you some promo CDs or something in exchange.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Then Dan can bring it back on-list and all will be fine.

― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

maybe some anonymous wag will come on thread and tell all!!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

~tries desperately to think of any contacts in the Book that may be able to shed light on all this mystery ..

but fails miserably

grrr.

oh hang on ..

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

maybe a mod could make this thread unsearchable on google? TIGERGATE!

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe we could just start making up falsehoods about it so that the truth is lost somewhere in a sordid pack of lies.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Why, that suggestion is absolutely disgraceful. Shame on you. And on that note: I heard Joakim can't achieve orgasm unless he strangles a dog!

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

I hear he eats tigers...without even cooking them!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

it's not really a big deal and as the tigersushi people are good folks and don't deserve a bad reputation and the rumouts are probably harming their them, i'll spill it (as far as i know it).

when they started the label they were totally inexperienced at running a label. the guy who handled the business side had a somewhat abrasive personality, was very difficult to work with and was not 100% on the case. i personally had several raging screaming matches down the phone with him, but we remain on civil terms to this day. from what i can gather, maurice felt he had been totally disrespectful to him and decided he couldn't work with them any more. i also don't think tigersushi had the cash flow to pay them right away. the long and the short of it was there was a very, very, very bad scene, hence the 'tigerbastard' song.

abrasive french guy has subsequently left tigersushi and the label is slowly getting it together with joakim and his brother handling everything. i definitely intend to work with them again as i know their aims are true. if i ever run into MU, i make a point of avoiding the subject.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

should read rumours are probably harming them

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

acknowledging that there was somebody causing problems who's no longer involved should do them well, rumor wise.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

while i could certianly see how mu would find that annoying/infuriating/something, it's relieving to find out that the incident was seemingly relatively minor, and that someone who's worked with them prior is looking forward to working with them again.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

isn't music what matters most in the end?
i feel like what happens between all these people is their business,and makes a poor subject for a thread.
i'd rather hear if someone knew of a new MU or Playgroup album,anybody heard anything?
what are all these people up to?

― max pask (max pask), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

never heard of em.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

get a haircut.

x post.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

This would probably be a bad time to ask when the vinyl version of How to Kill the DJ is getting released, wouldn't it?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

from the pain of the record label collapse comes the joy for cheapskates like me.

fopp are selling off the back cat cds for £3 each :

colder (cd/dvd, dead combo, mu, circlesquare, dempsey, black strobe ep, and channel 3

oh, and the playgroup reissue double cd with remixes.

lovely.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

It's October.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

I really was hoping that joakim was the 'tigerbastard' and that he would return fire on disc at some point. bring on the disco not disco beef!

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

damn.

final tracks in crappy 128 kbps format.

peter coyle/lotus eaters track is very nice i must say ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 12 October 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i liked that one and the How to cure dyslexia track but on the whole the tracks just made me feel like output RIP was no great loss, which is sad. the Mauin tracks were particularly bad.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

rumours abound that Output is back.
anyone know more ?

― mark e, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

There's a compilation coming out in October called I Hate Music, a Jackson-curated 2xCD+DVD "best of," but I haven't heard of anything past that...

― Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

supposedly someone has picked up the back cat, and will be reissuing it.
oh, and there is also the Kings of Electro set that Trev has sorted out with Alter Ego on BBE, but thats not really Output related so doesn't provide any real insight into the Output story

― mark e, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Fantastic news if true- I've been driving myself crazy trying to find a replacement for the copy of Afro Finger & Gel I lost.

― Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Word from distro here is he's bringing his label back to life with new releases scheduled etc.

― blunt, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Holy shit, even better!

― Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

that Mu record was on tigersushi

unless Output licensed it or something

― dmr, Friday, 14 September 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Output released it in the UK, and for a while it was the only version in print. If it's ever coming back into print, Output is the most likely candidate, given how their relationship with Tigersushi ended up.

― Telephone thing, Friday, 14 September 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

oh, and there is also the Kings of Electro set that Trev has sorted out with Alter Ego on BBE

wow

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 14 September 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

~~wow~~

redacted

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 14 September 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

output is indeed back.
as far as i know, trevor not involved this time around though
first release is a compilation :
http://www.outputrecordings.com/opr100.php
a few remixes are out there - i'm seriously loving the remix by Optimo of To The Music by Colder.

― mark e, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

You sure it's not just a posthumous roundup type thing? Pretty good listen for the most part but I've not seen anything saying they're back for good

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

(other than mutterings above)

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

yup, they're just back for some reissues. no trevor involvement whatsoever.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

i stand corrected. a reissue campaign type of thing it is then.

― mark e, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

well, the reissue thing never really happened did it.

the people behind the process label (the current Output catalogue owners) tried to run with it, the excellent rebotini (ie. black strobe) release would have been a perfect fit for Output, as well as the pretty fine Toob album, but i lost interest after those.

― mark e, Monday, 26 April 2010 20:50 (sixteen years ago)

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