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volume 1, the 2000 release on strut records.

anyone have any idea where i can find a copy of this (for purchase, or otherwise)? can't find it anywhere.

― Lo Boob Oscillator (LoBoob), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

It pops up on eBay/zShops occassionally. I've seen it Amoeba SF occassionally too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I've bid on it several times on Ebay but it always gets way too expensive. It's a great collection for sure, but I can't spend $50 on it. Vol 2 is just as good and still available I believe.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

$50!!!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think you'll need just two exclamation points to be honest.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised. I've seen for $20 or so at Amoeba in the last six months. Plus it wasn't that rare or hard to find to begin with.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oh really? Sorry to be an ass, I thought you were just doing a little typical ILM jabbing about the $50 (since everyone here is loaded). I'd totally buy it for $20. This is for the vinyl sure, but this seems a bit absurd:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230019492855&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:2

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

That's bonkers, but I don't know how rare the vinyl was.

I didn't realize everyone here was loaded either!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you can get most of the tracks elsewhere, I'd think most of them have been reissued here or there.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's essentially what I've done, but it's such a nice, attractive little package that I always wanted to get it. It's gonna happen one day. Now what I really want is the David Mancuso's Loft collection.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I have both Disco Not Disco, the first Loft and of course all 4 Tommy Boy's Perfect Beats comps on vinyl. That's all you need to rock any party.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

well, thanks for the help. i was hoping that miraculously there was a mail-order joint for buying rare/discontinued cd's that i didn't know about. i tried to find the tracks elsewhere, but locating the extended versions that are on this comp turned into a real project, so i gave up. and vol 2 is definitely easier to track down, but i've already got it...

guess i should just move back to SF... Amoeba is pretty hard to beat.

― Lo Boob Oscillator (LoBoob), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

What is the Loft comp? I have everything else Dan's mentioned.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I assume that Dan is referring to the Loft Classics Bootlegs that have been floating around for awhile.

http://www.discogs.com/label/Loft+Classics

I really dig #11 because it has How Much Are They by Jah Wobble and Holger Czukay which is one of the most creepy post-punk/disco not disco tracks I've heard.

Is there an offical loft comp?

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

If you are looking for a more straight ahead disco/italio sound, this bootleg series is pretty dope too.

http://www.discogs.com/label/Automan

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, he's talking about David Mancuso Presents the Loft, two volumes with 2CDs each, on Nuphonic. Released late '90s.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/38942 and http://www.discogs.com/release/38928

both are superb.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha that is presumptuous of me, sorry. I assume he's talking about them. sorry to speak out of turn there. at any rate, the Nuphonic comps are worth knowing.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Dan inspires great envy. And those are definitely the Loft comps I was talking about originally.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was referring to the legit Loft box sets. But I do have a bunch of the Loft Classics boots too. I remember to the day the moment I brought home #11 and was like WTF!?!?!?! my jaw dropped to the floor, it was so weird and cool and so obviously out there. A bit of research a few weeks later and I learned who wrote How Much are They and it was like "EUREKA!"

That volume also has Don Ray's Standing in the Rain and Francine Mghee's Delerium. Classics both.

But most of the tracks on the legit comps were on the boot series first.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

4 Tommy Boy's Perfect Beats comps on vinyl.

Dude, I can't even find all of these on CD

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I bought them when they came out, I had just gotten out of college and they were really influential in getting me back into DJing. The really killers for me were Dirty Talk and Together Forever and For the Same Man and....

anyway. They were around forever, you could go to rock-n-soul or beat street or whatever and always find copies, then they disappeared.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

What are these Tommy Boy Perfect Beats comps of which you speak? I can't find them on www.discogs.com.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

they are really damn awesome is what they are

― mango selassie (teenagequiet), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

in 98 or so a lable called Timber or something with/through Tommy Boy put out 4 3LP volumes that pretty much summed up all that was good about the late 70s early 80s in regards to dance music you might here in NYC. One volume leaned a little bit to freestyle, another toward electro, another to a sort of new wave/disco not disco, another to old school funk/breakbeats, although that's a massive simplification...or total lie.

http://www.discogs.com/release/135458
http://www.discogs.com/release/135463
http://www.discogs.com/release/135456
http://www.discogs.com/release/135449

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I take it back, it's more mixed up than that, though I definately think of vol 4, the green one, as the funk/breakbeats one.

I remember when they came out I saw some DJ at Botanica using it and I was like "hey, that's a great comp" and he was like "I have all the original 12"s at home". That's like the DJ's pledge "I may play from a comp, but I have all the original 12"s at home".

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

i was just thinking about tracking down the Loft Boxes since I'm reading Love Saves the Day. Any difference in quality between the Lost Classic boots and the Nuphonic pressings?

That Larry Levan West End collection is pretty swell too.

The Perfect Beats series changed my outlook on music drastically. I picked up a used copy of the promo cd for the series a year or two after it came out on a whim and was like "i want to be a dj."

My GF at the time was like "i rollerskated to this shit when i was a kid and it was played out back then."

The relationship didn't last.

― grady (grady), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

The boots are pretty crappy, but sometimes that shit compression and mastered from vinyl touch is so heartwarming...and there may be some editing...I've never A/B'd them but I swear the break in Standing in the Rain is better then what's on the Don Ray LP. Maybe it's in my mind.

To me, it was as much about the mystery and fun...the Loft series, and it's accompanying Paradise Garage series, had no credits. And the internet didn't contain all the knowledge in the known universe as it does today, so we were left wondering what the fuck those songs were half the time.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the Levan colletion on West End is aces and when I ordered the cd directly from West End they accidentally sent the 3 LP. When I told them of the error, they sent the cd for free. Support these people!!!

Unfortunately the Levan remix collection on Salsoul/Suss'd has pretty horrific sound quality if my Subaru speakers aren't lying to me. Very trebly and just somehow not right. Tragic really cause I wanna hear so much more from these songs.

...

Update: I was just looking at the Salsoul/Suss'd collection on Discogs and found this:

User Comments & Reviews:
Chris_McAvoy - 24-Jan-06 03:35 AM
For a fact this entire cd was compiled from .mp3's, I tested the algorithms with the free audiochecker program to be found at: http://www.dester.hu/eng_index.html. The sound quality is dreadful, it is obvious to the ears it was low quality .mp3 for that matter too! If this is what all Suss'd releases are doing, someone needs to stop them! Nevertheless great selection..but you'll be best off with "Larry Levan's Greatest Mixes Volume Two" original LP release from 1980 instead.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

Also, they're not quite the Perfect Beats collection (and not available on vinyl), but the Street Jams: Electric Funk series from Rhino is nice, nice, nice as well and still in print as individual cds:

http://www.discogs.com/release/184399

I've also got the Street Jams: Hip-Hop from the Top set that doesn't seem to be in print anymore.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Scratch that, it's the Street Jams : Back 2 The Old Skool that is now out of print, both the Electric Funk and Hip-Hop from the Top are available as individual cds and highly recommended.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Alright folks, that ought to do it for me. It's Friday afternoon and I'm waiting for work to end and my head doesn't work now. All three collections are in print. I'll be quiet now.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

The Perfect Beats Vol. 2 is one of the best albums of all time, bar none.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that's clearly the gem. I didn't realize any of the four were hard to find. I made Adam buy Vol. 2 for $4 last year.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

But clearly they are now cuz Amazon's z-shops lists them as all $20+

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I've got Tommy Boy's 'Greatest Beats' vols 1-4 on vinyl and they're nowhere near as cool as those 'Perfect Beats' comps. Looking on discogs I see that Tommy Boy's ALSO got a series called 'freestyle's greatest beats' How confusing.

― tylero (tylero), Friday, 15 September 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

shout-out to Dark Side of Disco

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 15 September 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Greatest Beats I think is stuff that came out on Tommy Boy, as opposed to a more general compilation.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

what he said. Greatest Beats was Tommy Boy's general history, Perfect Beats pretty much recreates the Jellybean-era Funhouse. Combine those albums w/the recent Larry Levan compilation, a couple West End bestofs and a Prelude mastermix collection along with ZE records and some reggae and you've got the early 80s covered.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

B Beat Girls - "For the Same Man (Nasty Version)"

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dadgby

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

B Beat Girls - "For the Same Man (Classical Version)"

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4vtg2k

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

B Beat Girls - "For the Same Man (Dub Version)"

http://www.sendspace.com/file/n0nwp8

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

B Beat Girls - "For the Same Man (Bonus + Beats Version)"

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hdd8mi

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

shout-out to Dark Side of Disco

yeah these are excellent, especially volume 2.

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 9 October 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

nah...bootlegs with mostly obvious tracks. Why Don't You Answer was already on Automan, booting the boot.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

bootlegs? .... heaven forfend!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yoko Ono and Ian Dury of course being incredibly rare

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

i got all the disco not disco tracks from limewire a couple years ago, it's an excellent album.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

they're obvious, but they are all good! plus the record bins in melbourne don't run as deep as NY, sadly. (xxxp)

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yoko Ono and Ian Dury of course being incredibly rare

least there getting paid! But that whole Dark Side of Disco came out a few years later, filled with the most obvious tracks, most of which had already been comped and/or bootlegged recently. Look at the tracklisting of Vol 1:

http://www.discogs.com/release/181713

I have my issues with bootlegs, but its something else when stuff is still around! When those came out you could still get the Timber/Tommy Boy Perfect Beats comps, for instance.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Dury's esate would be getting paid, that is.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but c'mon Dan you and I have both raved about getting into stuff like Ultimate Breaks & Beats or whatever (or at least, I *think* that was you! maybe not! if not sorry) ... actually I couldn't care less one or the other -- I actually agree that the tracklisting seemed kinda lame ... but the 12" mixes are actually quite interesting and the real attraction I think

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, and Ultimate Breaks has been around forever, but when those were first compiled, it turned people onto stuff in a way, like people didn't know where those breaks came from. I dunno, those Dark Side comps were mostly just about making it easy, the artwork and font are silly...the name is silly, you know. I didn't mean to dismiss it just because it was a bootleg. God knows I've been educated by bootlegs! But for a bootleg to even include a track that was on another bootleg that came out like a year before, that's just weak!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

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