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THE RETURN OF MIDTEMPO DANCE

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

THE HOKEY POKEY

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 18 September 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

the HAR DE HAR HAR HAR

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

PLIP PLOP BUZZSAW

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

AGITATED CONTRARIANISM

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

ACID HOUSE

― Python... No Bite :B (flezaffe), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

XPOST, AGIT HOUSE

― Python... No Bite :B (flezaffe), Monday, 18 September 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

BIG BEARD

― ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

:-L

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

that's it, i'm taking my shtick elsewhere

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

please visit my new blog: www.discogs.com

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE YOUR SITE the art ensemble of chicago house

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― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

2007 will be the year the whole re-edit thing really takes off.

― grady (grady), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

no that was this year

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

GANGBAG !

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Back to the mid-tempo: do dj's play those slow Radio Slave/Rekid tracks - if so, how/when? I think they sound interesting, but I can't see how it would work.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

psytrance

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

surely drum and bass will have to get popular one of these days

― Andrew Harrison (andrewtothemax), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Isn't 2007 sposed to be all about teh funky fucking house?

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

DOG WHISTLE HUSTLE (DOG RECQUIRED)

― 6335 (6335), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

Back to the mid-tempo: do dj's play those slow Radio Slave/Rekid tracks - if so, how/when? I think they sound interesting, but I can't see how it would work.

I play some midtempo at my regular Friday night gig, but it's a small room that's usually full of weirdos who are easily bored, so I can get away with freakiness that a proper "house crowd" probably wouldn't tolerate.

I usually just change the tempo by dropping in a new record during a breakdown or fading into a movie sample or whatever for a transition.

― jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, it's Houston so maybe that's why I don't get my ass kicked when I play tracks that sound like Screwed House.

― jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

dizzee to drop hip-funky-house album

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

L&PT produce Madonna tracks.

― grady (grady), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

that would be great

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

QV on the Remix.

― grady (grady), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

rub n tug to launch label, diversify into 'massage parlours'

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

indie kidz to move on from MSTRKRFT and justice sound; start jacking romanthony/male vocal house aesthetic but with more whiney lyrics, et violin: EMO HOUSE

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)

OAKENFOLK

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

what with RJD2 being a "folk musician" and all, why not?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

I say a true return to deep house. Which could mean bad or good.

If drum&bass comes back, I will go fucking bananas. Goddamn drum and bass.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Scott Stapp gabba album

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)

screwed minimal & shorter tracks except for villalobos opera

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:31 (twenty years ago)

villalobos GESAMTKUNSTWERK i should say

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:33 (twenty years ago)

dub

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:36 (twenty years ago)

anti-dub

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

if all instruments are replaced by machines is it intrinsically dub? the dubbing out of the real?

― breakfast Žižek (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

what is anti-dub

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:55 (twenty years ago)

claustrophilia

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

THE RETURN OF BONTEMPI DANCE

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:21 (twenty years ago)

xpost

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

sounds boring

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

L&PT produce Madonna tracks.

Wouldn't surprise me. Hey , does anyone else think a lot of their stuff sounds like the intro to "Voices In My Head" (sic?) by The Police looped for about 6 minutes with some nice synth squiggles thrown on top? Ok. Just me, then.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

i say lots of minimal acid

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 03:00 (twenty years ago)

no microhouse drum sounds

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 03:01 (twenty years ago)

yeah enough with those.

also: breakfast pants, you either know your Wagner or know your Loos. Or both. Either way, the fact that you used the term gesamtkunstwerk is totally awesome. Especially in respect to Villalobos.

as long as it's acid beats and not incredibly high-frequncy squelch, i'm okay with minimal acid.

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 04:51 (twenty years ago)

i would like to add: the return of loungey downtempo. and an influx of old poppy vocal house to to otherwise 'elitist' dance floors.

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 04:54 (twenty years ago)

surely minimal acid is the last thing we need right now!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:02 (twenty years ago)

less wagner, more this:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00003INJ7.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:04 (twenty years ago)

My wishlist:

- yes to slower tempos, I want more house that sounds like Holly Valance's "All In The Mind"
- ever-more psychedelic ketaminimalism a la Achso and Jesse Somfay's "Lying In A Bed of Mist", I want stuff that sounds like Frodo travelling through enchanted forests with two bongos strapped to his back.

More to follow.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:21 (twenty years ago)

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lf, one could not step into a club in germany this past summer without hearing teh relevee, according to 14dn3r. it's a pretty 'massive' track in every way: ubiquity, length, pleasure, etc.

in other words, i don't really get what yr saying when you say 'outside of trends in dance music'-- all the see mi yah remix stuff is also certainly part of a trend. maybe not on the dancefloor, but if you're following the culture it's certainly present and popular.

― trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

i meant that his productions don't really take much from whatever sounds are popular at the moment (re domina, no reverbed chords; re 2005-2006 songs no plip plop drums or meandering instrumentation)

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

they sound timeless

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

of course i don't know carl craig's 1993-2004 productions

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

okay, i understand now. and agree with you.

― trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I agree with that line re Craig actually - the "Revelee" remix took all its strangeness from the original track, Craig did some fairly straightforward dancefloor manouevres with it (and made it much better, obv). The "Falling Up" remix is impressively austere to begin with I'll grant you, but a) so are a lot of the more detroit-style tracks that have floated around these past few years (it's very 05-06 DJ T actually, although I think better than most of T's efforts have been in this style) and b) this scene mixes in a lot of older detroit-ish tracks alongside whatever is current - as I said in another thread a while back I can barely go out to a night playing "minimal" without hearing "Groove La Chord". And "Shez Satan" could easily be Fuckpony or some remix of Detroit Grand Pubahs or Lotterboys or something.

It's not like everything in 2004-2006 has been "plip plop drums or meandering instrumentation".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

All of which is not to take away from how great and/or distinctive these tracks sound.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdUyct4kqHk

(background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loituma_Girl)

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

sorry, wrong thread.

― grady (grady), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

yeah that's all probably true tim but i wouldn't know. i came into dance music via microhouse.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

in 2005

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

continuation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 25 September 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)

and now i am in dance music it's fun

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:09 (twenty years ago)

september 25 2006

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:09 (twenty years ago)

it is my father's birthday! shit.

(anyway, that is continuation, but i also meant: certain sounds will always be present and popular in any form or genre, not necessarily negating their greatness. the craig and craig-like detroit sound is perennially popular, or at least in many circles it is).

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah but "revelee remix" isn't particularly CC-esque ... he's taking, as tim said, most of his inspiration from the original track and (i think) from the LAST huge space-disco / cosmic-italo track, lindstrom's "i feel space".

similarly the "see mi yah" remix and the "falling up" remix seem to draw heavily on the trance-state k-house vibe of stuff like the wighonomys "pele bloss" and holden's "safari" remix ...

mind you, that stuff owes a heavy debt to "internal empire"-era rob hood, so it all comes full circle ... that album made a much bigger splash in german techno circles than it did in britain and/or the US ... you always hear about dan bell's DBX work as a microhouse forerunner (dan bell, richie hawtin ... and someone else who i forget ...) but i'd wager "internal empire" was as big if not more!

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

anyway i'm not saying that CC is necessarily finished, just that his remix work, while fantastic, hasn't exactly been a case of turning poop into pearls or any sort of radically new rethinking of techno or anything else anybody's made it into, just the sound of a production master weighing w/ his take on some current styles ... he's done a lot of really great work but i would be surprised if his upcoming album sounded a whole lot like his current remix work

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:35 (twenty years ago)

that last thread is totally unfounded speculation

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:36 (twenty years ago)

he has remixed some xpress 2 track just recently, wonder how that sounds.

it is my father's birthday! shit.

never forget.

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 25 September 2006 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Craig's 'Relevee' remix to me sounds like he's been informed by nothing between '96 and now. This isn't a bad thing, I just don't hear any major differences in what he's doing vs what he was doing then. And I don't think he really made it 'better', just more danceable.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 25 September 2006 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Surely better and more danceable are the same thing in this case!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 25 September 2006 09:11 (twenty years ago)

the art ensemble of chicago house - what do you define as the big dance trends of 2006? there tend to be trends going in all directions.

― micarl (micarl), Monday, 25 September 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)

his remix of "revelee" does bear some strong similarities to that track off "4 my peepz" ... "transplant", i think it was called??

which was basically his version of green velvet's "abduction", right??

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

i think the major trends will be

a) return to symmetrical haircuts

b) remote dj-ing via internets

c) ???

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

to elaborate on point b) a little bit, why should TIESTO limit himself to simply playing baltimore, when by the magic of VPN technology he can simultaneously podcast to raves in florida, alaska, thailand, portugal and estonia???

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

there will be two WORLD WIDE WEBS, one WORLD WIDE WEBS made of ELECTRICITY and INFORMATION and another WORLD WIDE WEBS made of AWESOMENESS and RAVING

― POX^3 (let x=2) (vahid), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I NOMINATE VAHID TO BE THE LEADER OF THE LATTER WORLD WIDE WEBS!

― natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

can i be admin

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cdconnection.com/covers/15024.jpg

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:22 (twenty years ago)

I think that it's EXACTLY because CC's remixes are so straightforward that they are so popular. Someone on ILM said something really smart a while back about how dance music has shifted from being about the shock of new noises and production techniques to being about the subtleties of manipulation of sound. There's no 'shock' in just being italo, or minimal, or disco-y this year - we're used to all that stuff. CC is popular again because he does the expected stuff, but does it WELL. The point isn't that Lindstrom thought of it first but that Carl did it better.

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

I think it's debatable as to which of "I Feel Space" and "Falling Up (Carl Craig Remix)" is better, Jacob!

Also while I grant that Craig does whatever-he-does WELL, it would be good for us to be able identify how/why that is - surely he can't be very straightforward and simultaneously be about the "subtleties of manipulation of sound". Well actually I think he's somewhere in the middle there: there's a lot more straightforward stuff in the electro-house/minimal continuum, but there's a lot more obviously sound-as-sound-focused minimal stuff as well.

I suspect that what distinguishes Craig's recent material is his success in building a cumulative effect: the first few bars of "Falling Up" aren't going to blow you away, but by the time that vaguely latin synth line drifts in the repetition has taken on the feel of something arcane and massive, like you're participating in a rite that will bring about the rise of some forgotten god - the gathering clouds of synths in the second half are like the visual manifestation of the rite's success (the statue is surrounded by an unholy light etc.) -this is why I consider "Played Runner" and "Insomnia (Ame Remix)" to be in CC vein - they both do the exact same trick, really.

With Craig's stuff especially I'm put in mind of a techno version of Armand Van Helden at his best.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

i think the idea of a cumulative effect is something that craig has been doing for a long time (since the "domina" remix and "throw" at least), but what's become more and more pronounced is the rite idea you talk about, tim (his remix of tori amos' "god"). the formula has become very refined and unmistakably his.

the whole "revelee" EP is fantastic. i tend to gravitate towards the D&G remix.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I should have been specific: I meant what distinguishes his recent material as against other current techno/house etc. Which is not to say that only Craig is doing cumulative grooves, but that there's an identifiable feel to his stuff.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:39 (twenty years ago)

tangerine dream house for the win in '07

xpost, agreed, i was going to make the same comment.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:43 (twenty years ago)

the "falling up" rmx has recently been repressed in case anyone is looking.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:45 (twenty years ago)

Funnily enough the other producer that I feel uses repetition in a similar way is DJ Koze - the structure of his tracks is quite similar to CC's in a weird way, except he drops in a druggy freakout where carl would use a jazzy melodic inversion of the main riff.

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 07:37 (twenty years ago)

just the sound of a production master weighing w/ his take on some current styles

otm. I agree entirely with this.

Plus I still think the "Falling Up" remix is fucking boring!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:39 (twenty years ago)

the remix of X-Press2 has some amazing violins on it. but the vocals are a bit sensitive student for me.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:48 (twenty years ago)

the vocals & lyrics are unbearable but there's a dub.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:50 (twenty years ago)

suspect that what distinguishes Craig's recent material is his success in building a cumulative effect: the first few bars of "Falling Up" aren't going to blow you away, but by the time that vaguely latin synth line drifts in the repetition has taken on the feel of something arcane and massive, like you're participating in a rite that will bring about the rise of some forgotten god - the gathering clouds of synths in the second half are like the visual manifestation of the rite's success (the statue is surrounded by an unholy light etc.) -this is why I consider "Played Runner" and "Insomnia (Ame Remix)" to be in CC vein - they both do the exact same trick, really.

http://www.discogs.com/release/4177

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/4177

He's been doing this for years.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

erm, sorry for the double post.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah we agreed on that upthread nihilist - again, I was trying to say what the difference is between current Craig and current everyone else.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

his remix of "revelee" does bear some strong similarities to that track off "4 my peepz"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:26 (twenty years ago)

nine years pass...

have no idea what dabbing is, gonna see how long i can keep it goin

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 February 2016 15:21 (ten years ago)

This was a great thread.

― Tim F, Friday, 5 February 2016 20:16 (ten years ago)

ever-more psychedelic ketaminimalism a la Achso and Jesse Somfay's "Lying In A Bed of Mist", I want stuff that sounds like Frodo travelling through enchanted forests with two bongos strapped to his back.

Funnily enough I was about to declare this officially the worst Tim F post of all time.

― Matt DC, Friday, 5 February 2016 21:19 (ten years ago)

I was right about psychedelic ketaminimalism in 2007 (basically the consensus choice for the eurodance middle ground that year) but wrong about it sounding like Frodo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDkeA2k4XpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95dpt9ig5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN_96aG3g0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlw3kp2_jpo

Also I have had much more on-the-nose pronouncements than that I am sure.

― Tim F, Friday, 5 February 2016 22:19 (ten years ago)

I say a true return to deep house. Which could mean bad or good.
If drum&bass comes back, I will go fucking bananas. Goddamn drum and bass.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, September 18, 2006 4:56 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 February 2016 22:52 (ten years ago)

trendspotter

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 February 2016 22:53 (ten years ago)

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