Which albums sounded classic at first but have since turned out to be a dud?

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Roisin Murphy - Ruby Blue. I thought it ruled at first, but now it just irritates me.

― GLC (ZakAce), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

The newest Tom Ze.

― Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

M.I.A. - Arular

― cws (cws), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Everything you like.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Just about every Flaming Lips album

― ss sleepingbag (sleepingbag), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Blur, Think Tank

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

the murphy album was a dissapointment. it's one of those metacritic superhype inspired buys (which are usually great). i liked the backings, but it was a lot weirder than i expected and not enough sexy chanteuse singing

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

believe it or not, but _Think Tank_ is a big part of the reason why i think Albarn's a WAY underrated guitarist. he's such a minimalist.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Smile owns this thread.

― mike a (mike a), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

mike a OTMFM.

― brightscreamer (brightscreamer), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Smile owns this thread."
SO OFF TMFM it almost deserves it's own thread!

― edde (edde), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon; the thrill of actually hearing a completed Smile was worth the price of admission, but said thrill wore off halfway through the second listen.

― mike a (mike a), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

O DOODZ.

The thrill wore off, sure, but the quality of the material didn't diminish at all for me. The arrangements are still lush & full of yum, there are melodic ideas galore, and The Wondermints are absolutely ACE even if Brian doesn't have the voice he used to.

But then, I liked Blueberry Boat too.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

OTOH, I think Patrick South is OTM.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Love Below duh, altho i do still like bits of it.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

I think Andre's solo tracks would be 200% better if he used 90% real instruments.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosteen, do you still like Blueberry Boat?

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, although the janglehappytimes of SMiLE and Boat can be really grating if I'm not in the right mood.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Smile = Sterile, therefore Smiley Smile > Smile.

Mathematically proven.

― brightscreamer (brightscreamer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wilco - A Ghost is Born
M.I.A. - Arular (although I had a sneaking suspicion it was dud all along)
The Avalanches (this cannot be said enough)
The Arcade Fire - Funeral (no matter how many times I try to throw it on again, I just can't figure out why I was so excited before)

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

btw this thread is

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― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon; the thrill of actually hearing a completed Smile was worth the price of admission, but said thrill wore off halfway through the second listen.

Oh, now you're just baiting us. Smile was and is my favorite album of 2004. A triumph with or without the backstory, although certainly more poignant with it.

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to give a shout out to the turtle-man who says, "What does that mean?" in the Avalanches' "Frontier Psychiatrist" video.

― King-a-Ling (King-a-Ling), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

stars - set yourself on fire.

i really liked it at first, but now i can't stand most of it. it's situational for me though; i worked with someone who played it a lot, and now i associate the album with how obnoxious she was to be around :(

― derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

Smile = Sterile, therefore Smiley Smile > Smile.

"Smile" is supposed to be more "sterile" than "Smiley Smile". "Smiley Smile" was basically an unfinished version consisting of bits and pieces.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

this thread brake heart.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously, I am rather indifferent towards M.I.A, but it seems some of the people here have decided it turned out to be dud because a) Da kidz didn't like it, at least judging from sales b) Lots of people usually into into indie and guitar oriented music did.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Smiley Smile" was basically an unfinished version consisting of bits and pieces

No it wasn't, it was mostly hastily arranged re-recordings and it RULES

― Oh No It's Dadaismus! (Dada), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

it's no 'surf's up'.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't care to listen to it very much any more" != dud

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

it's no 'surf's up'.

Yes, it has less crap tracks on it for a start

― Oh No It's Dadaismus! (Dada), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't care to listen to it very much any more" != dud
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), September 19th, 2006.

quite shocked by this!

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

stars - set yourself on fire

I started off underwhelmed by this, but now love it unreservedly! Not tainted by association in my case though...

Initially the Burial album sounded like some kind of classic, but I can barely listen to more than a couple of tracks off it now. I fear that I may have believed the hype, temporarily at least.

― Bill A (Bill A), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

'wilco - ghost is born'

very perplexing choice

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

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― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: Charlie Howard OTM again! That album's only gotten better with age for me! The section from Spiders through to Company In My Back is magical.

where do you get all this OTMness from? is it from being 19 like myself and not old and crusty like all the other fuddy-duddies here? ;-)

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't care to listen to it very much any more" != dud
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), September 19th, 2006.
quite shocked by this!

-- EARLY-90S MAN (miltonpinsk...), September 19th, 2006.

or am i?

maybe this is a way of paying tribute to fast-fading records without honouring the commitment? so you can say 'yes! paris hilton is fantastic, but of course i haven't listened to it since it came out...'

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

haha space gourmand, being only 19 (astonishing given the depth of your music taste), you're well on the way to emulating the 'fuddy-duddies' on here in years to come.

i'm still young. 23. i mean it still feels young. heh

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

hey, there's a dude here called andrew bryson who's only 18, but his knowledge puts mine to shame! he makes ME feel a bit old... :-)

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pigazette.com/warpig/Cupofshutthef-upsmall.jpg

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought I'd find myself saying this, but Geir Hongro OTM

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: fuddy-duddy in action, exerting social, moral right to order silence

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

often it's possible to see the dud potential in something that's sounding great initially

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha gourmand.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

not to mention the fuddy-duddy potential in someone who seems young and innocent intially.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

10 FUCK OFF
20 GOTO 10

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Goldie - Timeless

(granted, this fate tends to befall every LP that, at time of release, sounds like "the future")...

― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Timeless" is still great. However, "Saturnz Return" also seemed kinda classic at first, but i certainly very dud in retrospect.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

"it's no 'surf's up'."
Yes, it has less crap tracks on it for a start

-- Oh No It's Dadaismus!

I totally read that as "Yes, it has less crack rap on it for a start."

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna go hyper-controversial and say 'Black Secret Technology'.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

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In my initial excitement over Mission of Burma's "OnOFFon," I think I claimed it was my favorite album of theirs by far.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

that's what i claimed about katatonia's latest, 'the great cold distance'. and funnily enough, it is far and away the best!

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...

a grand dont come for free is classic like mark buehrle

bring it motherfuckers

― deeznuts, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

hey, there's a dude here called andrew bryson who's only 18, but his knowledge puts mine to shame! he makes ME feel a bit old... :-)

-- Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:44 AM (6 months ago)

haha how did I never see this post?!?

PS haters gon' hate but Kid A is yoga flame for all time

― bernard snowy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

truth

― deeznuts, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

MOON SAFARI - air

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

SMiLE
Illinois

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

SMiLE and Illinois are both classic.

Personally I would suggest Kula Shaker's "K", which isn't quite the classic it sounded like the first couple of times I heard it.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

("Tattva" is still a great single though)

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

I expected you would like the swastika-praising Kula Shaker.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:38 (nineteen years ago)

"Personally I would suggest Kula Shaker's "K", which isn't quite the classic it sounded like the first couple of times I heard it.

-- Geir Hongro, Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:43 AM (57 minutes ago)"

inimitable.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's still 'a grand don't come for free' for me. i suspect it'll be 'alright still' for a lot of people soon.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone who thinks that Alright Still was/is a classic should be taken out and shot, frankly.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there's a big difference between "good pop music for the car stereo" and "one of the crowning artistic statements of music history", which is what I take "classic to mean.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Garbage's debut album.

Sounded great and even brilliantly refreshing at the time, has sounded bland and overproduced ever since it stopped working for me about half a year after it was released. I still try, sometimes, but it remains impact-less.

― StanM, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Haven't listened to it for about ten years! Never got rid of it, though.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

"one of the crowning artistic statements of music history" is upping the ante a bit. that's a long-ass history.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

ha i came here to post ""i don't care to listen to it very much any more" != dud" and found that i already had 7 months ago!

i still listen to paris on the regular, nrq :D

― lex pretend, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

that GARBAGE one that goes 'doo-dur-d-d-d-d-doo' that was good.

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Mercury Rev 'All Is Dream'

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there's a big difference between "good pop music for the car stereo" and "one of the crowning artistic statements of music history", which is what I take "classic to mean.

True, but then the question is exactly what constitutes "dud"?

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Good points on "Arular". Absolutely love the production (it's Diplo, right?), but she's just not that much of a voice. Wish it'd been made for Lady Soverign instead. Garbage still holds up for me.

― the Dirt, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha yes, what a fine and appealing voice lady sovereign has.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Agree on first Garbage record. Two or three good songs, rest unmemorable. The last one still holds up, I think, though, last time I dipped in (a few months ago, I guess).

I was, in a minority, quite excited by Manics' Know Your Enemy, but obviously had to accept it was bilge eventually.

I think that 'new' Beatles thing will become a slightly repellant artefact sooner or later. As a non-fan, first listen was really cool to me but it hasn't had much replay value.

― chrissie_, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Know Your Enemy" had that typical "all over the stylistic map" elements which a lot of classics have in common. True, it seemed amazing at once, but it soon wore off. I still love a couple of the singles from it though. ("So Why So Sad" is among their very best IMO)

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Beck - Odelay

Roni Size - Reprazent

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Still love "Odelay". Even though "Sea Change" was even better.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Black on Both fucking Sides

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Roni Size - Reprazent

you mean 'New Forms'?

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Just about every Flaming Lips album

-- ss sleepingbag (sleepingbag), Monday, September 18, 2006 1:49 PM (7 months ago)

OTM

― abanana, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I was, in a minority, quite excited by Manics' Know Your Enemy, but obviously had to accept it was bilge eventually.

Will somebody please explain to me why people hate that record? It's easily, easily my favorite of theirs, one of the best rock records to be released in the past ten years. Epicentre alone makes it classic.

― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's by the Manics!

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno. I got bored with it, personally. Maybe I should listen again. What about Lifeblood? Haven't listened to that in ages and can't say I have an opinion on it atm.

― chrissie_, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

'The Love Of Richard Nixon' is the worst single of the 00s.

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

i only just remembered it last night because my gf reckons the new Manics single isn't actually that bad (for them). not heard it yet.

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't either. But yeah, Richard Nixon was the pits. ISTR the rest of the album was better, but I reckon I only played it 2-3 times tops. If you want to take that as a critique, but I don't remember it being awful or anything.

― chrissie_, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Roni Size - Reprazent

you mean 'New Forms'?

Yes, sorry, 'New Forms'.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

I was being a little sardonic in listing "SMiLE" (see my defense of it near the top of the thread), its luster has faded considerably but I do still consider it classic.

Illinois, on the other hand, is overwrought, too long, and annoyingly precocious.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Neil Young--Ragged Glory

Dud may be a little strong but there's at least ten Neil Young albums better than this.

― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe i ever liked the manics. but they were pretty much unlistenable from 1998 onwards. i mean obviously it's ALL unlistenable, but from then even more so.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm a 'new sounds' junkie - I'll hear a tune, get an album or two, play them for a while and then just not go back to it unless it rises to 'classic' status. I really should rip'n'sell anything like that, I suppose it's not a bad way to cull out stuff that might be interesting at first but doesn't stand the test of time.

― Mr. Odd, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Comus - First Utterance
Sun Ra - Space is the Place

Not really dud, but definitely not as mind-bendingly awesome as they were on first listen. Still good records.

― Ivan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

i think a grand dont come for free is really brilliantly structured & its never going to match the power of your first listen

totally classic though

― deeznuts, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

This doesn't really happen to me. Usually when I like something, I keep liking it. I might not listen to it as much, sure, but it's not often that I dig out a CD I bought years ago and think "this sucks" unless it's something I didn't really like that much at the time. Those go on the SELL pile.

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Comus - First Utterance
Sun Ra - Space is the Place

Totally disagree on the first, and may only sort of agree on the second in the sense that stuff like Heliocentric Worlds and a few Pharaoh Sanders albums make it seem less shockingly brilliant.

― filthy dylan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Jayhawks: Smile

Sounded like a marvellous powerpop album at first. Still OK, but there are still about 20 better albums being released every year within the same genre.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I love love love Ragged Glory. Granted, it's very guitar solo heavy and thus a little too dense for everyday listening, but for me, it's one of those brilliant albums that only contain one track I always skip (Farmer John, in this case).

― StanM, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I voted for Living Colour's Time's Up in my very first P&J.
I'm surprised they let me ever vote again after that...

― NYCNative, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

i only just remembered it last night because my gf reckons the new Manics single isn't actually that bad (for them). not heard it yet.

-- blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:05 (Yesterday)

It's the most embarrasing piece of shit I've ever heard - and that's saying a lot, even for the Manics. Who the Phil Collins is the girl band they're singing with? Who's that dorky kid drummer they replaced that fat bloke with? Why doesn't he get shown for more than a microsecond in the video? (at one point they have a "behind the band playing live" view of them singing the song and the drummer isn't even in his seat - jokes!).

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosteen, do you still like Blueberry Boat?

I love Blueberry Boat.

I'm going to say Sufjan Steven's Illinois album.

― I know, right?, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

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