― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Sunday, 8 October 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)
― -- (688), Sunday, 8 October 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
Ultramarine: Every Man and Woman Is a StarAir Liquide: NephologyThe Prodigy: Music for the Jilted GenerationPaperclip People: The Secret Tapes of Dr. EichOmni Trio: Haunted ScienceMouse on Mars: Autoditacker310: SnorkelhousePole: 1Recloose: CardiologyLuomo: The Present Lover
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 8 October 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)
um.. to finish this I think I need a clearer definition of what is meant by "electronica"..
― Pookas (Pookas), Sunday, 8 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer: just raw dead fucking babies (latebloomer), Sunday, 8 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)
808 State - ex:elMouse on Mars - AutoditackerADULT. - ResuscitationAphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Albumu-Ziq - Tango N'VectifKraftwerk - AutobahnI'm tempted to say Ray of Light if only for the Orbit production.
― less-than three's Christiane F. (drowned in milk), Sunday, 8 October 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 8 October 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 8 October 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)
autechre - amberburger/ink - las vegasfsol - lifeformsaphex twin - saw iimonolake - hong kongportishead - dummyrichie hawtin - decks, efx, and a 909tim hecker - radio amorsquarepusher - music is rotted one noteprefuse 73 - vocal studies and uprock narratives
― arjun (arjun), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
― (a great deal of debate) (ockle boc), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)
Daft Punk - Discovery
Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children
Fingathing - And the Big Red Nebula Band
Kid Koala - Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Cut Chemist - The Audience's Listening
RJD2 - Dead Ringer
Massive Attack - Blue Lines
Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation
Ratatat = Classics
I'm sure there's a bunch more, but that'll do for now
― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)
"Electronica" is a silly word, but I think there should be some way of making a difference between the current boom of electronic music that started with house, techno and electro, and the (generally more artsy) electronic music that was made before, because there is a clear historical transition there.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
Jeff Mills - Live at Liquid RoomFrankie Bones - Computer ControlledJunglized comp.Richie Hawtin - TransitionsDieselboy - Dungeonmaster's GuideAdam X - Wax Trax mixHerbie Hancock - SextantThe Knife - Silent ShoutMonolake - live set from his websiteBelbury Poly - The Willows
― Matt Olken (Moodles), Sunday, 8 October 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)
Prodigy - ExperienceSquarepusher - Go PlasticKruder & Dorfmeister - K&D SessionsMassive Attack - Mezzanine
― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Sunday, 8 October 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)
― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)
I think you'll find this true with any genre.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Sunday, 8 October 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)
I was under the impression that 'electronica' referred to electronic music for non-fans. Perhaps that's the root of all this confusion? It's sort of the post-rave "classical music for people who hate classical music."
Not, of course, to say that those aren't parameters that enclose a canon (see upthread)...
― chris plus plus (chris++), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)
The stuff they call a different name every time someone tweaks it a tiny bit. You know, electronica.
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)
As far as I can tell, that shit was called industrial or alternative industrial or maybe alternametal.
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)
NIN is industrial. popular industrial, but industrial.
― trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)
Say, I know! How about "alternative?"
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)
Boards of Canada, Royksopp, Lemon Jelly, Air, Daft Punk, and Avalanches. All pretty mellow and I think most people got sick of all these bands almost immediately, but I still like them.
And if DJ stuff is acceptable, then I also really like DJ Shadow, El Stew, Valis II, DJ Spooky, DJ P, Felix Da Housecat, DJ Z-Trip & Radar, DJ Q-Bert... I have this weird bunch of stuff from Ovenguard and Bran Flakes that I don't really know what it is, but I like it.
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)
Is that somehow better? I don't understand the problem here. I don't disagree, either. I like simplistic loose genres like "rock" so "electronic" is fine by me. Just didn't realize it was such an issue. Is there a problem with "electro-clash," then?
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)
All I was getting at is that there are a virtually unlimited number of ways to describe the spaces we call "genres." The politics surrounding the use of the term 'electronica' have always seemed to me to be a classic example of the formula "x for people who hate x" - a device the popularity of which certainly invites consideration at greater length.
Of course, that's only one possible formula. The whole thing that I find interesting about the ways we categorize cultural production is that there can't really be any totalizing theory of "genre," only a cloud of smaller, overlapping ones.
Here's one of my favorites: "x is what I imagine y must sound like to people who like y." I've always loved the subtle differences between that one and "x is what y would have to sound like in order for me to like it."
Sorry, I need a nap.
― chris plus plus (chris++), Sunday, 8 October 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)
― robert anderson (venimdenim), Monday, 9 October 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)
― robert anderson (venimdenim), Monday, 9 October 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 9 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 9 October 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 9 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)
that's the sound of me punching myself in the face.
― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 9 October 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 9 October 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)
― christopherscottknudsen (christopherscottknudsen), Monday, 9 October 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Monday, 9 October 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)
oooh.. too many more to think of.. and many of these seemingly 'untutored', I know..
― Max Blazevic (kitaj), Monday, 9 October 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)
Donna Summer - Walk Away: 1977-1980 (1980)Daft Punk - Discovery (2001)Renegade Soundwave - Soundclash (1989)Meat Beat Manifesto - Storm The Studio (1989)Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft - Alles Ist Gut (1981)Kraftwerk - The Man * Machine (1978)Sientific American - Saints Of Infinity/Simulated D.I.Y. (2000)Land Of The Loops - Bundle Of Joy (1996)Steve Fisk - 448 Deathless Days (1987)Todd Terry - To The Batmobile Let's Go (1988)
There are tons more electronic artists, outside abtract composers, who have put out excellent material, but never seemed to assemble them into a solid album or best-of for me... although excellent moments. (There are lots of solid albums by abstract electronic composers I could have listed, but I'm guessing that, colloquially, "electronica" implies that it's more a pop-rock thing.)
― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Monday, 9 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)
― party like it's nineteen ninety whaat (mike h.), Monday, 9 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)
― blunt (blunt), Monday, 9 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)
See, this is why I think the distinction "electronica" is good. Meat Beat Manifesto, Renegade Soundwave and Donna Summer are way different, imo, and if I listened to it expecting to hear electronica, I would be very disappointed.
― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Monday, 9 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)
― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Monday, 9 October 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Colin Carr (music is pretty cool), Monday, 9 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)
Felix Da Housecat - Kittens And Thee GlitzThe Presets - BeamsT.Raumschmiere - Radio BlackoutGoldfrapp - Black Cherryand yepElectroclash (Larry T) - variousNag Nag Nag (Jonny Slut) - various
― Kinky Fantastic (Kinky Fantastic), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
-- Butt Dickass (butt.dickas...), October 9th, 2006.
HUGE. PROBLEM.
― Andi Headphones (Andi Headphones), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)
― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Kinky Fantastic (Kinky Fantastic), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)
Well, if you get the word out and start a genre, it wouldn't be stupid if people referred to your acoustic sound as "acoustica" now, would it? For instance, there were a few 90s numetal-sounding (to me) type acoustic hits which if called "acoustica" would have been happily adopted.
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)
Anyone out there referring to iPods as transistor radios? I mean, the distinction is so arbitrary.
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)
xpost kindof
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)
wtf this whole fucking thread.
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)
In case you're missing a complete set, I know where you can get one of these:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e33/rolocoaster/nerd.jpg
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)
I like the reversal of implication here. He has turned rather quickly into a troll-like character, hasn't he? Meanwhile, here I am, naked as a jay bird finding his thought process quite illogical.
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.bigscreensatellite.co.uk/sven2.gif― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)
― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), October 11th, 2006 9:52 PM. (tracerhand
People, people! Listen to yourselves! How can you possibly not see the irony in such statements. There is a reason the term "music geek" exists. And it is not because it means your secretly cool. What next? You will correct me about episode 12 of Battlestar Galactica?
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)
sorry to spoil yer fun there.
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)
"Anyone who is using the word electronica in '06 is a huge dork with no clue about music. Lock thread please."
― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)
if by "New Yorkers" you mean, Larry Tee...sure. In defense of New Yorkers, we love electro-clash, and miss the days when Missy Queen was played every night.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)