Cassy plays Dance Mania tracks on RA podcast but WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

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'Flange Beat' by Paul Johnson which is just about the most brutally minimal chicago record I know, and she plays it for a good few minutes, without anything over the top either. (not that any chicago dj would probably have done that)

Does this mean Robert Armani finally gets his rightful minimal props?

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 12 October 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Other Chicago tracks that could fit in a minimal set:

Robert Armani - 'Circus Bells' (of COURSE)
DJ Sneak - 'Operation SNEAK' (KILLER)
Lil Louis - 'Video Clash' (mixed into Audion)
Paul Johnson - 'Give me ecstasy'

But NOT 'Work that motherfucker' which just doesn't seem to sound right.

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 12 October 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

blake baxter's "sexuality" too right?

josh. (disco stu), Thursday, 12 October 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

link?

Baaderonixx in the year of the locusts (baaderonixx), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast.asp

ewmy (ewmy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

Robert Armani

:)

circuit breaker, hit hard, basement rats, fuse box, score board

-- (688), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ah seems you weren't talking about RnB cutie Cassie, after all. Too bad I was thrilled at the idea of her playing minimal techno...

Baaderonixx in the year of the locusts (baaderonixx), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

haha i thought it was cassie as well!

i do have dreams of 'me & u' segueing into fairmont's 'gazebo' though.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 12 October 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

it means Cassy loves Chicago house (working in HARDWAX this is no surprise) and all her records are clearly under its spell anyway so why the big deal?

a (rslvd), Thursday, 12 October 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

Heavy kicks on every beat as opposed to dry compressed kicks on every other beat. It's a big deal, yo.

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 12 October 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

just can't see an imminent wave of Cassy followers, production-wise. she's very much out on her own. set wise, Villalobos/Luciano et al ALWAYS drop classic house in their longer sets (it ain't a Villalucio set w/out a Mike Dunn track.)

a (rslvd), Thursday, 12 October 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

drop a magic feet djax rmx

-- (688), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

i do have dreams of 'me & u' segueing into fairmont's 'gazebo' though.

this would be so so hot

jelkino (jergins), Friday, 13 October 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

That RA mix is just as great, if not better, than the Berghain one, fantastic!

Jena (JenaP), Friday, 13 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I don't find it better by a long way but it's got more than a few good little runs on it.

eh (fandango), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Seems like minimal dj's have been dropping dancemania stuff for years. Heck, herbert put 'shake it' in that one mix cd he did years ago. When I saw trentemoller he played a DJ Deeon track. I hear 'computer madness' all the time in minimal techno dj's sets.

tylero (tylero), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

well dammit I guess I'm just behind on this microtrend.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

madge make the tea!

eh (fandango), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

OK, so the RA podcast may not nevessarily be better than the CD, but it's still pretty great. I love how she switches back and forth between the two tracks she plays at the end to the sound of increasingly louder jet noises.

Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

I bet Cassie's apartment is cooler than Ellen's.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Magda's mix album>>>>>>>>>>>Cassy's.

braveclub (braveclub), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm, yeah, after a while. The Cassy mix sounds stunning the first time you hear it, but I'm already bored with it. And the RA mix doesn't do anything for me.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

I find Magda overly dry. Richie is rubbing off on her.

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

weird, Cassy was underwhelming for me (definitely not a first listen success) but it's grown and grown since then. I still love it.

Magda's is enjoyable, but it's nicer for listening to in the background as it wiggles around than being any kind of "club" mix.

eh (fandango), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Magda's mix is brilliant when taking a walk, it's so rubbery.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think Cassy's mix is a lot drier - at least in parts - than people make it out to be. I mean when she's actually playing the minimal tracks. Of course when she's playing garage or dubstep or moodymann it's different, but I almost feel like she's having to throw those tracks in because her take on minimal is fundamentally very dry. It's odd that she wouldn't play stuff that is obviously warmer and wetter and, well, housier, while still being in that vein - Anja Schneider, Prosumer, Tobi Neumann etc.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

Night To Remember is dry?

a (rslvd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

obviously Panoramabar's middle section is as dry as a bone (as is the RA podcast -- lush bookends, dusty centre, is this her style?), but I wouldn't agree that her productions fundamentally are. the crappiness of her drum machine sounds means if she leaves the tracks stripped they end up desicated. (and I'm sure intended to be used as DJ tools). but with a little embellishment -- synth, voice, emphasis on the bassline (I'm thinking Night To Remember, Alexandra, the Liebe Ist Cool remix) -- leads to something far more emotive than anything Magda will ever manage to make.

a (rslvd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

obviously Panoramabar's middle section is as dry as a bone

[turns into wacky scientist in Repo Man] Not...at...all! The middle section feels like a submarine dive. Total aquatic bliss. I don't care about the end, and the beginning is too Dimitri-circa-1994 (I tend to skip the first 10 minutes or so.)

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

well, dry != bad (in my book)

a (rslvd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

I meant Panoramabar, not her productions.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

how are ...

Redshape - Pink Dust (bright & busy)
Auto-Repeat - What Turned Itself (handclaps! on the 8th beat, "ya gotta... whatever turns you on..")
Tobias. - Below Houston (lovely twinkling keys, crusty filter sweeps)
Yassin & Arne - Bleepy Creep (Cassy Remix) (like thumping minimal Kelis heavy breathing on your neck? - SO hot)

not warm, wet and housey? and those are all middle section tracks, with other breakouts of undeniable gorgeousness at the start/ends. I would agree she has very dry tracks, but she alternates them all the way through the mix, which creates tension but not rigidity it's not a teeth-grinding take on minimal for me.

I'm very surprised people aren't feeling this so much. It's not "wet" in that melodic minmal/electro/housey way no, it's CRISP, JACKING and SWEATY!

This is probably redundant but give it a properly LOUD play, on a real stereo at least once to appreciate the underlying, steady THROB of this mix.

fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

ahem... Panorama Bar, not the RA podcast which I can pass on personally

fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

I like it, I'm just not sure I agree with the way it's described. It's "jacking" in the sense that there's a lot of straight snare patterns in there, yes, but this doesn't make it sweaty for me, the tracks don't really build in a way that would work me into a sweat.

Mind you I've always been a bit underwhelmed by Melchior Productions too. I'm not sure if I'm really into house that's so... reduced... without something else in there to replace what's taken out.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

without something else in there to replace what's taken out.

But...but...there's this unique sense of space left in Melchior Productions (at least i always thought he was aiming for this as per his mate Baby Ford, sort of light space vs. dark space....erm...Philip probably knows what I'm talking about :)

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

'pink dust' is amazing and basically where the mix properly takes off for me! or maybe the track before, i forget.

what's with all these mixes which are deathly dull for the first half and amazing in the second half? alex smoke's scifihifi vol 2 does this too. as did luciano's!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

i've never been fully able to get into melchior productions ever since i discovered the xtian thing :(

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

man, the Luciano mix loses me far more often after the halfway mark!
it's that nondescript patch after the Beyer track which kills the momentum nearly fatally for me...

fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

alex, dunno much about his beliefs, but Thomas Melchior is one of the nicest guys around in the flesh. certainly no nasty fundie.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh i don't doubt! i was being slightly misleading with my remarks - i'd never fully got into melchior before i knew about his beliefs either.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.boomkat.com/article.cfm?id=12 !

new new wave of new wave new rave (fandango), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

is house back? Not just deep house but todd terry, paul johnson, armando..

mmmm, Monday, 14 January 2008 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

yes

Ronan, Monday, 14 January 2008 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

best revive ever

winston, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 03:27 (eighteen years ago)

It never left, you just followed shit trends for 6 years.

Display Name, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

is house back lol.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 03:42 (eighteen years ago)

"It never left, you just followed shit trends for 6 years.

-- Display Name"

amen.

speaking of dance mania, i just ordered this off of ebay for $10 sealed earlier today:

http://www.discogs.com/release/490481

i can't wait to get that one in the mail. i love the artwork and aesthetic of dance mania so fucking much, probably my favorite label for that kind of stuff. i love the art on this CD:

http://www.discogs.com/release/579514

plus the dance mania "ghetto house music" t-shirt i have, i guess i'm something of a dance mania fan boy ;)

pipecock, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ya'll Dance Mania fan-peoples should get that new Dj Deeon and Slugo - Ghetto Classics 12"!

Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/1137957

and I will co-sign on Ghetto Classics, that whole record is gold.

Display Name, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

brutal revive

elan, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, I come back to this Cassy mix all the time. I love the perlon/tuning spork and todd terry/paul johnson, old and new vibe.

mmmm, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

cassy's own productions are getting better and better. 'poem' was awesome enough, but i can't get enough of those vox on 'april'...

lex pretend, Sunday, 10 August 2008 11:46 (seventeen years ago)

four months pass...

idle blues: what a tune..

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 11 December 2008 08:48 (seventeen years ago)

sixteen years pass...

ive become more convinced that dance mania is the greatest label of all time and dj deeon the greatest producer of all time ... fight me

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:02 (five months ago)

I agree with you

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:10 (five months ago)

alarmingly little Content in the ilx archives about the true breadth of this label honestly

I do kind of feel like a lot of the appreciation for it I sometimes see out on the internet is 1. how humorously lewd is it, and 2. how much does it overlap with the somewhat more serious Techno sound

I think the overlap with Relief records is almost more interesting, to me, anyway -- where the grooves are somehow both hypnotic and unpredictable (which is a seeming contradiction in some ways), like they get locked into a groove and then these small rhythmic changes that feel kind of 'offbeat' make you reassess your perspective of the whole song ... like the 'magic eye trick' weve been arguing about in the luda thread but as a genre

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:22 (five months ago)

Noooo, turn back!

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:24 (five months ago)

lol. I dont actually want to argue about it but you know what im talking about right

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:24 (five months ago)

in *this* context i think im saying something you will readily agree with!!

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:25 (five months ago)

i'm thinking of stuff like DJ rush where the patterns are a bit unpredictable & polythmic and so on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvPYlS7Whpw

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:28 (five months ago)

I dont actually want to fight ITT I wont disrespect dance mania that way !! nonetheless I love the way aspects of this sound offer so much rhythmic variance in the house template which typically I don't think ppl perceive as being so polyrhythmic or just describe as 'four on the floor'

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:36 (five months ago)

Haha ok I think that's true, but I think that's common to a lot of minimal techno (not a lot of musical signposts to dictate where the phrase starts, so yeah it can be heard in different ways and that can be a cool thing).

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:43 (five months ago)

oh yeah I don't think its *exclusive* to this stuff exactly, although I think how chicago house went about it in this era was very unique. (there are current producers like robert bergman who kind of carry on this chicago-specific derived affect I think). Also obviously uk funky or tribal house would have their own ways of going about it

I was actually listening to some recent Traxx (from chicago keeping the Sound Alive) records and thinking about how the snare kind of reminded me of some UK funky stuff, or "township funk" or even "pon de floor", despite having very ron hardy influenced origins

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:47 (five months ago)

another thing that I noticed going through a lot of it is robert armani is a genius but also he kind of seems to typically avoid all "offbeat" (for lack of a better etc) stuff altogether despite being totally in the mix. the 'offbeat' sound is obviously not *defining* of the label or time but it is a really cool strain of it.

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:49 (five months ago)

Here's the Traxx record i'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QigPU9g3gT0

here's another beautiful Relief release that I think does something really cool rhythmically in this style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOzXjktKa-I

^^^A cool thing if you have this record is that it's somehow set up at the very end of the song so hits the label and resets, it just loops forever and never ends, extremely cool trick

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 19:56 (five months ago)

(the traxx one is a little misleading in this convo I suppose because i dont think its an especially rhythmically 'off' example but it does feel like the snare is kind of the 'lead instrument' in a way we dont associate w four on the floor, I guess part of what im reaching for here is an idea of the percussion being a lead instrument in part)

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:04 (five months ago)

feel like that is true for a decent bit of house and techno, tho maybe more so the hardware stuff from the nineties compared to today.

nice tune, that gene farris.

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:08 (five months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD_73f61ldM

Paul Johnson - Groove Melody

untouchable

saer, Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:23 (five months ago)

Freaks in Front, and Not Normal both really nice but Groove Melody is too far ahead

saer, Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:25 (five months ago)

this one's incredible, Brandy sample, I kind of wondered if this is where Eris Drew's name originated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXVF6M-G6DA

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:38 (five months ago)

the early jana rush single def has a dj rush esque feel to it as well. I dont think there were really non-dance mania/relief/chicago house beats that sounded anything like this rhythmically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYGtrFcYwUA

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 20:57 (five months ago)

I think what I like about the tricky rhythms approach to house music I detect in dance mania stuff is that it's kind of a common thread here that while not present on every record feels somewhat unique to the label (and adjacent labels of the era like cosmic or relief or aqua boogie or etc) but obviously the overall 'sound' of dance mania is really incredibly diverse ... dreamy one moment and brutal the next, funny one moment and melancholic the next, tricky and cerebral and blunt and uncompromising, there really is a 'world on the head of pin' eclecticism here that spans emotional and textural space

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 23:56 (five months ago)

I think one of my favs of the lewd ones is dj lil tal's "Questions"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTZ_9w5L71w

and at the other end of the spectrum, gant man started djing in his early teens and one of his first releases for the label -- I calculate he must have been 15 or so?? was a juke version of the three stooges theme!! I love that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujwu8y6wHxI

ok (D-40), Tuesday, 12 August 2025 23:59 (five months ago)

love this dj deeon track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZCuN8-2uM

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 01:58 (five months ago)

I was listening to this (amazing) 12" (not even my fav song on it) and thinking about how obviously this sound must have been percolating in the early kanye inspiration pool ... certainly sounds much more like 00s 'ye beats than anything made in new york or wherever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idf_yNjordM

ok (D-40), Friday, 15 August 2025 04:22 (five months ago)

I still drop Traxmen - ‘Playing With A Rubber Band’ in sets from time to time :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp7kOisi7GQ

pronounced with an ‘umpty’ (Willl), Friday, 15 August 2025 07:27 (five months ago)

great song

ok (D-40), Monday, 18 August 2025 18:36 (five months ago)


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