drum'n'bass, the new black turtle-neck music

Yeah, and if Cecil Taylor stopped playing his pianner onstage and launched into a breakdance routine, people would cringe. (well, *I* would anyway.) Your point?

So old minimalism of, say, steve reich is 'good' minimalism, huh?

This is of course garbage. Minimalism is really simplistic, they (as in reich, who is the only minimalist I've heard but I will check terry riley) use repetition since its the easy thing to do because people like reich have a lack of really good ideas.

Ahem. BREAKDANCE, Mark. BREAKDANCE. Big difference. Forget about him body-popping or spinning on the floor -- that would be *deeply* weird. I mean, based on the last time I saw in person, he lurched around a little, but anything more complex than that it looked like he'd break his hip or something.

Speaking of the Cecil Taylor/disco nexus, I often wish S. Merritt would follow through on his stated wish to record Cecil Taylor and make house music from it.

Surely that was Waltz as in 3/4 time signature, not the dance, or are you having a laff?

In answer to the main question I'd say (in my ignorance) that D&B is based around House rythms so a 3/4 song wouldn't be appropriate. I suppose you'd call it Acid Jazz, or something. Having said that, I've never been into prescriptive boundaries within music.

Anyway, call it Jungle and you're 'ardkore again, man.

No, it was clear he was original referring to time signatures. My point was that both drum & bass and out-there jazz have built-in genre expectations that musicians defy -- by working in waltz time if yr in drum & bass or embracing now-somewhat-quaint aspects of street culture if you're a jazzer -- at the risk of seeming completely ridiculous. (Or brilliantly ridiculous.)

I know mark. The idea is that at its best, minimalism should the illusion of being repetitive (I think). The idead of a drone is just that. But sometimes it feels as if it gets stuck on some shitty groove and you know the people involved don't know where to go next.

VU's brand of minimalism works. MMM works because of its density and the feeback levels (Yummy!). But reich's music for 18 musicians is utter nonsense. Just little blocks of percussive sound. I think there's better stuff around.

anyway, who the hell is seriously writing slagging missives of drum and bass in 2002? i think even drum and bass fans don't really like it anymore.

if d'n'b is over what is in it's place and essentially providing music to would-be d'b listeners ? what is the serious money on in what i can only knowingly call the post=techno stakes ? and what new innovations have resulted -- yes tell me how music has once again moved forwards from the beatles -- tell me how this stuff that is now is useful and relevant and the music of the people, because general "dance music" or "post-techno" still seems the predominant noise pollution.

and if there aren't fashion trappings then what has changed ?

klezmer.

Drum and Bass is the new heavy-metal. Almost every metalhead (or former metalhead) I know is now a huge Panacea/Ed Rush fan. They're all making these insane mashed up breakbeat anthems. Weird, huh.