Okay, this is going to drive me insane: Doesn't anyone know this band from New York called Industry circa '84?

Jon Carin (born October 21, 1964 in New York) is a musician, producer, engineer, writer and programmer who plays keyboards, guitar, bass guitar, drums and sings.

Also known as the front-man (lead vocalist, keyboard and guitar player) of the 80s band Industry, whose 1984 breakthrough single State Of The Nation was followed in the same year by the successful album Stranger To Stranger.

After the breakup of the band, he was asked by Industry's producer Rhett Davies to work with Bryan Ferry on Bryan's Boys and Girls album. He then joined Bryan at Live Aid in London where he met David Gilmour of Pink Floyd (who had joined Bryan on guitar). This spawned an accidental twenty year career of assisting other artists in any way possible. In 2006 he toured with both David Gilmour (on the "On an Island" tour) and Roger Waters ("Dark Side of the Moon Live")

Carin is now an established session man and has performed on many albums and DVDs.

I see them marching off to war/they're looking so heroic/
I'm told they won't be gone for long/ but that's a a lie and the
know it/Ten Thousand Gone they won't return, never to be seen again/
Strategic games are all we learn in the end

They say 'Don't you worry bout the situation/a message from the telephone/They're out there fighting for the State Of The Nation/
And waiting for the chance to come home/They'll always have to fight
the alienation/and realize they're fighting alone/When Nightmare memories fade to dust/we'll get back on our feet again/This war has nothing to do with us/but somehow we're so involved in it
There's no place like home
There's no place like home
There's no place - I don't want to be anywhere else
There's no place like home..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8SpMwQOjiQ

Well, that's the million dollar question, I.M. and I wish I could lead you to believe that it's actually the same band, but for one thing the singers don't sound alike, and neither is the songwriting style similar. It's quite possible that there's some connection as far as members go, though because the '80 Industry EP is supposed to have come from Little Neck, NY. Two bands from New York called Industry? Of course I don't really know if the Industry this thread is about were from New York City or state or what.

Another thing which is complicating matters is a 12" that came out after the '80 Industry one, in 1981 entitled "Turning To Light". Apparently this was on a Canadian label (Ontario if I recall correctly) called Mannequin Records. I would dearly like to know what Industry THAT record might be, but just don't know if I want to spend the big bucks to find out. Look at this discography for reference:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Industry+(2)

Also thanks so much to Edward III for leading me to You Tube for the State of The Nation video. I don't know why but it wouldn't have occured to me to look there at all. I wouldn't have thought a video even existed. I still can't figure out how I heard this band in the first place, really. It must have been just some stray accident that someone played something off the radio from it then, because I can't imagine that at 13 years of age I was in the habit of picking up EP's by bands I'd never heard before.

Makes me happy to think Carin has played with The Who, especially since The Who have a new album out that is actually very good!

You know what kills me? Is that I heard the 1984 Industry song "Communication" before I ever heard New Order. This realization just kills me. This is pre-New Order in my life. Unbelievable.