Un-Jamaican dub experiments

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Prompted by Vivien Goldman's dubs, and Mark Stewart's 'Learning to Cope With Cowardice'. Both seem to use different approaches to dub FX than the well-trodden path pioneered by Tubby and Perry.

Must be others to check out...

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Check out the dub mix of the Polecats' "Rockabilly Guy"

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks.

Thinking about it, the K&D Sessions stuff by Kruder and Dorfmeister was pretty original too.

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

XTC, Go 2

― Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry that should be:

XTC, Go+

― Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Soft Cell's Tainted Dub

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

The Pop Group, Y

... yes, I know it was produced by Dennis Bovell, but it certainly doesn't sound anything like Jamaica dub!

― Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Pole, and similar German glitchy electronica would seem to fit the bill.

― Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

XTC, Go+

plus this by mr. partridge.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 10 November 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but that's far less of a dub thing and far more of a fannying about thing

― Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yes you're right, but a lot of dub is just fannying about.

Most stuff on Chain Reaction or Basic Channel.

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Friday, 10 November 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Bauhaus did a bit of dub. Mostly funky fannying about though.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

"hearts in exile" by the homosexuals
(wish i could afford a copy of this 45)

― zappi (joni), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

i've spent the last ten minutes fantasising about going back to 1979 & persuading the Slits to hire Lee Perry to make a dub version of 'Cut' just before he burns down the Black Ark studio.

― zappi (joni), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

PiL's Metal Box and Flowers of Romance
A Certain Ratio's Sir Horatio 12", Waterline 12"
That Slits lp...forget the name....and The New Age Steppers

― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Cabaret Voltaire - "Silent Command" (et al)

― Dadaismus (Takin' Funk to Heaven in '77) (Dada), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Creedence Clearwater Revival

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

when did everyone go gay for... wait.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

"Rock On"

― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

The Chantels

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Rockin' Crickets" by the Hot Toddies

that one is serious, actually!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Is this about actual remixing, or dub tools & dub ways of thinking used for original composition? If the latter, royal trux - twin infinitives and hand of glory era; also excepter, wolf eyes

― sylvie and babs (sylvie and babs), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

i've spent the last ten minutes fantasising about going back to 1979 & persuading the Slits to hire Lee Perry to make a dub version of 'Cut' just before he burns down the Black Ark studio.
-- zappi (cfca...) (webmail), Today 3:45 PM. (later) (link)

I take it you know "Typical Girls (Brink Style)" and "Liebe Und Romanze" off the Typical Girls 12", right?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Is this about actual remixing, or dub tools & dub ways of thinking used for original composition? If the latter, royal trux - twin infinitives and hand of glory era; also excepter, wolf eyes "

Not about remixing at all - just using techniques and ideas.

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

more fannying around would be great...the secret of successful dub is in the playfulness.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

the history of late 20th century popular music to thread

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I don't get this question either. I mean the answer is pretty much everything, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

baboon, three words:
-Wackie's
-Basic Channel

― trees (treesessplode), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Uh the Wackie's stuff is definitely Jamaican. Just because his studio was in NY doesn't change that Barnes himself and virtually every musician that played on those records was from Jamaica.

That said everyone should buy Wackie's records.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

JUNGLE
UK GARAGE
DUBSTEP
BASIC CHANNEL
CHAIN REACTION
PLENTY OF "MINIMAL" TECHNO
DEEP HOUSE
CERTAIN KINDS OF HIP-HOP
TRIP-HOP
"DOWNTEMPO"

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

THE BUTTHOLE SURFERS
TECHNO ANIMAL
AR KANE
SEEFEEL

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/6705/liesmk9.jpg

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

faust - "munic a" & "munic b"
ryuichi sakamoto - B2 unit (specifically "riot in lagos" & "e-3A"

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

The early Eno stuff as well. I read a great interview with him where he talked about recording tracks, overdubbing, and then wiping the original "inspiration" track. That and the bit about recording vocals, putting the tape on the shelf until he forgot what he sang, then listening to it with the vocals turned down and writing down what he though he heard and using THAT for the lyrics.

If you want to stretch that to studio-as-instrument, producer-as-artist then Beatles, Buddy Holly, blah blah blah.

When I was first hipped to the dub thing that's what we took from it... that, and an excuse to layer echo and reverb all over everything.

― factcheckr (factcheckr), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

cosmic jockers - sci-fi party

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

and obviusly:
Macro Dub Infection vol 1 & 2

― minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Flying Lizards s/t
Lots of Colourbox esp "Baby I Love You So/Looks Like We're Shy One Horse" 12"

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 11 November 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

was joe meek fannying about or being presciently dubby?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

for some people dub is pretty explicitly a filtersweep on a track into tape-delay and using the mutes a lot

so perhaps not exactly joe meek though there are a lot of 1960-1965 tod dockstader tracks that would qualify

― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

(that definition is of course a massive generalization, someone else feel free to post or link something more precise)

― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

vladimir ussachevsky - 'sonic contours', 1952

― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for all the answers - ILM comes good as usual.

As for Wackies and Basic Channel, thanks for the recs - I'm actually already quite obsessive about this stuff already tho!

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Saturday, 11 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Van der Hoog's Country Curative: "Circle O.B.S."

That's Si Begg doing a dub mix of an old line dancing tune, it's as awesome as it sounds.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/tracklink.php?msgid=4691219

― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Faust - Jennifer

― baboon2004 (baboon2004), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Eno talks a good interview...I don't always trust what he says.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 11 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Is it just me, or is the huge psychedelic dub scene (Ott, Shpongle et al) the elephant in the room here?

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 12 November 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Darramouss

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Sunday, 12 November 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know about ott but the shpongle i've heard is not dub, and barely psychedelic

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

onimo, it's un-jamaican dub experiments, not dumb

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Fall "Paintwork"

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

I'm probably going to be DJing at an art gallery's late-opening nights in November, and have decided to base my sets loosely around the idea of dub and its influence. This is based on the (admittedly rather spurious) idea that dub's depths and the spaces between the beats will go nicely with the gallery and its big space and high ceiling.

AR Kane - mentioned upthread - is a good idea. I also intend to use stuff like "Dizzy Dizzy" by Can, "In Particular" by Blond Redhead, (not sure which tracks yet) by Scritti Politti, the Slits etc etc, as well as some actual examples of Jamaican dub itself.

Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be a "dub experiment" (as per the thread title) but rather music clearly under the influence of dub.

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:00 (fifteen years ago)

Mouse on Mars - Elli Im Wunderland

― yentl giant (corey), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)

Ooh that's nice Corey. Thanks. Please keep em coming...

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

Caribace

Porter Ricks

Chain Reaction (label)

Pub

Shriekback

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

"Rockin' Crickets" by the Hot Toddies

I still stand by this

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:10 (fifteen years ago)

you mean this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BFIqF4R7_0

It seems to have some lovely Lee Perry noises in it

― Daniel Giraffe, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C1miLbWSR-Y/Rq6Gm0ze_AI/AAAAAAAAAn0/iLEQFliupCE/s320/front.jpg

― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

Baby Buddha - "My Generation"

― bamcquern, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:31 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-hB1TzoG7M

― prior, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:39 (fifteen years ago)

I sort of remember the Boom Boom Satellites having a few quality dub-inspired tracks (mixed in amongs their more hyper stuff).

Death In Vegas - stuff like Opium Shuffle and I Spy could work.

― oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KXOtlYCS0&feature=related

― yentl giant (corey), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:55 (fifteen years ago)

These are "clearly under the influence of dub"?

― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

I guess the Yoko track is more dub-anticipatory than anything.

― yentl giant (corey), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

but it's all right to admit that you don't like fun

― mein voight-kampff (corey), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

Ryuku Underground - Tinsagu Nu Hana Dub

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)

I'm loving Ryukyu Underground. Opium Shuffle is great - reminds me of one of the Orb Perpetual Dawn remixes. Enjoying Caribace. Still working through your tips in no particular order.

Thanks

― Daniel Giraffe, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 07:52 (fifteen years ago)

bela lugosi's dead

― Leu! (crüt), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 08:21 (fifteen years ago)

'world of echo' by arthur russell

'aka/darbari/java' by jon hassell

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 08:45 (fifteen years ago)

Red Beat - Red Beat
Talking Heads - I Get Wild Wild Gravity
Certain moments by Crass, The Slits etc.

― village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 09:33 (fifteen years ago)

some tied & tickled trio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7tG_3On0nI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA9oEK9iDAQ

― willem, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

Scritti Politti, "Sweetest Girl"

― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 12:58 (fifteen years ago)

unwound "sensible". from the album repetition

― vessels in distress (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 13:07 (fifteen years ago)

i don't know about ott but the shpongle i've heard is not dub, and barely psychedelic
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, November 13, 2006 1:33 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

Missed this reply back then, but...WTF?

― Siegbran, Friday, 27 August 2010 00:57 (fifteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Okay...I know loads of industrial dance artists tried their hand at dub. I added a few tracks to a Playlist but WaxTrax and their ilk is not normally thing. If anyone has any suggestions, it would be cool...Thanks!

― Loud Tsu (I M Losted), Sunday, 3 April 2022 14:09 (three years ago)

Loop Blood

― Stevolende, Sunday, 3 April 2022 14:51 (three years ago)

Raymond Scott’s ‘Soothing Sounds for Babies’ for albums a from 1962 are basically just early analog synths through a tape echo and inadvertently pretty dubby

― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Sunday, 3 April 2022 16:34 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrY8XLT917o

― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Sunday, 3 April 2022 16:38 (three years ago)

Obvs ignore the ‘for albums a’ typo there, should proofread my posts at least once!

― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Sunday, 3 April 2022 16:40 (three years ago)

this french dub album is one of my favorite releases of last year

https://delodiolabel.bandcamp.com/album/froid-dub-an-iceberg-crusing-the-jamaican-coastline-del08

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 3 April 2022 20:36 (three years ago)

job sifre's industrial dub style is excellent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sjlkP-9CgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwlUSIosnM

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 3 April 2022 20:47 (three years ago)

tapan - twenty

https://malkatuti.bandcamp.com/track/tapan-feat-decha-twenty-original-mix

black merlin - hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hARbOo54L5I

oppressively heavy

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Sunday, 3 April 2022 20:52 (three years ago)

but a lot of dub is just fannying about.

This absolutely describes the way that I make dub music

― paolo, Monday, 4 April 2022 12:01 (three years ago)

Paolo, is your last name Baldini, by chance?

― InternationalWaters, Monday, 4 April 2022 13:39 (three years ago)

Er no. Just looked this chap up and he looks to be someone who absolutely knows what he's doing. He's pretty good!

― paolo, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 07:02 (three years ago)

So I've seen a few videos of dub producers in action similar to the one below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ff_8DeU9o

When producers (either modern ones or the guys back in the seventies) made a dub would it be done in one take or did the technology allow them to go back over a recording and make edits to it like you would in a DAW? Back in the day I'd imagine it would be recorded onto tape so if they weren't happy with how it turned out they'd just have to try again

― paolo, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 07:07 (three years ago)

exactly that, paolo, so there might be multiple versions recorded and the best one picked. nowadays it could all be worked out in the DAW but i can't help feeling the best dubs are still probably ones performed in a live take.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 09:42 (three years ago)

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