Bars that have jazz cds on the jukebox - C or D?

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OK, don't get me wrong, i like jazz in the right context (usually live) but going to a bar on a Friday night, you want to hear kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music. I went to a cool joint tonight that i often frequent, and some douche had played more than 1/2 hour's worth of semi-unfriendly be-bop/free jazz/definitely not accesible to the general audience squawky jazz. Probably cool on a mellow Tuesday night, but it's fucking Friday, don't try to win muso-snob points tonight. Anyway, does this shit ever happen to anyone else?

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 11 November 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

in other words, playing really introspective or "difficult" music in a public space where the general idea is to have something light/fun/danceable/innocuous playing in the background. Total cuntish move in my book.

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 11 November 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was sat in the pub last night wishing they had Ornette's "Blues Connotation" on the jukebox. Cos that track wails. Maybe some people play stuff just cos they want to hear it rather than to be muso-snobs. (Not that I'm saying those kinds of people don't exist.) Maybe playing any 1 genre/sound for half an hour at a time can be boring in the wrong context?

Whoof Vague-o-Rama (noodle vague), Saturday, 11 November 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

true. i guess if the joint is really empty, it's just you, the bartender, and one or two other people, this kind of thing can work (again, maybe on an off night in the middle of the week). context is everything.

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 11 November 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

A huge DUD.

Even if you're hyper-anal about music, it's within the bounds of reason and a solid "good thing" to be a bit mindful of the audience and switch it up a bit.

That move was pure DICK. He knew practically no one but himself would enjoy it and went ahead with K-Fed levels of self-appreciation.

paid in cigarettes (paid in cigarettes), Saturday, 11 November 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I always wondered about jazz on a CD jukebox myself. Personally, I'm a fairweather, on-the-fence jazz fan at best...I don't HATE it, but it's not my first choice, either. And as we all know, jazz tracks are LONG.

Nothing wrong with this - if you're any kind of jazz fan, you know that it's common to stretch out to five minutes or more (or MUCH more) just to make your point.

But there are other people who put their money in the jukebox too, and what if you gotta sit through somebody else's marathon, 25-minute Miles Davis track before you get to hear your own songs? (Same goes for rock: would it be wise to put the full version of "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" on a public jukebox?)

There is a bar here in Chicago that has an all-jazz juke (well, it's a jazz bar so it goes with the territory). But it's 45's and EP's, so extra-long tracks aren't a problem there.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

In other words...I'm thinking about the song lengths, rather than the music itself being a moodkiller.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Any music in a bar = DUD.

Rombald (rombald), Saturday, 11 November 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'd kind of have an all-or-nothing approach -- either be "that kind of bar" with mainly jazz and other such music on the box, or else don't throw Kind of Blue and a Coltrane CD next to Motorhead.

OTOH, I'm pretty sick of being in bars and having some dude (it's different guys but it's always the same guy) with a bad Rod Stewart haircut putting on the same goddamned AC/DC and Stones songs and then getting a look on his face like he just invented rock and roll. So tired of that shit.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 11 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music
kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal or any "up" type of music

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 11 November 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

haha, i did say i just came back from the bar, hence ^ ^

anyway, despite the brain-dead way i composed my rant, i still think it's valid and could work with any genre abuse really

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 11 November 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Just like with people who work in a record store and air their tastes daily on the store turntable, there is no guarantee you're gonna like everything on the juke on any given moment. (Well, DUH, Rev!)

Although I feel A-Ron's protest about the cat with the rooster haircut playing AC/DC and acting like it's the most original idea he had that night. My version of it was once in a hipster bar not long after the Beastie Boys album with "So Whatcha Want" came out...I was there with friends and it seemed like that was on the box about seven or eight times...and I like the Beasties, too, but that scratchy Hammond organ intro got repetitive as hell after a while. Only now can I listen to it again...

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

If you mean jukebox jazz like this, I say Classic.

"It's hard enough finding any sort of jukebox in a bar these days, and as for one with some jazz on it, you can forget it, at least here in Inglan. But there was a time, in inner city US neighbourhood bars anyway, when both things were commonplace. The last gasp was the early '60s, when hard bop was still kicking and rock and soul had yet to knock it sideways."

todd (todd), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

FROM THE REVIEW OF THE IKE QUEBEC SINGLES DISC:
"It's hard enough finding any sort of jukebox in a bar these days, and as for one with some jazz on it, you can forget it, at least here in Inglan. But there was a time, in inner city US neighbourhood bars anyway, when both things were commonplace. The last gasp was the early '60s, when hard bop was still kicking and rock and soul had yet to knock it sideways."

Actually, growing up in inner city Chicago in the 70's and 80s, you could still see jukeboxes in soul food restaurants that STILL had jazz singles and EP's, alongside the current soul hits of the time.

The jukebox in the jazz club that I referred to up above (the Green Mill in Chicago) is pretty much in this vein. Not Sun Ra CD's with twenty-minute selections or anything, but more like hard bop and soul-jazz on 45, along with the occasional vocalist.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's making me wish I lived in Chicago.

From the Moon to Pluto Back Down to Earth (Rrrickey), Saturday, 11 November 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm Green Mill... don't gp there often but if your visiting it should be on your list. Took ny 75 year old mom there and she was lost in another world, Said she went to places like that when she was a kid (except for the lighting rig and the PA). Saw Terry COllier there a few years ago.

It depends what you want. "kick-ass rock, upbeat pop, monster metal" would send me right out. "be-bop/free jazz" would keep me there for the night.

factcheckr (factcheckr), Sunday, 12 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sonic Youth - "Youth Against Fascism"

Whoof Vague-o-Rama (noodle vague), Sunday, 12 November 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still shaking my head at those descriptions i wrote last night - wtf, i haven't listened to metal (monster or not) since i was 15......
what i drunkenly had in mind was trying to describe obvious crowd pleasing tunes vs. the kind of stuff you listen to when your at home, alone, drinking whiskey and in a contemplative mood. but there's lots of jazz which works well in a bar, possibly even an entire jukebox consisting of jazz, just not what i was hearing last night - sorry if i offended the jazzbos :(

timmy tannin (pompous), Sunday, 12 November 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

I just listened to that Ike Quebec singles comp last week! Not in a bar, or under the influence, but it'd work in those conditions.

This thread reminds me of a party we had years ago where I told my friend "OK you pick the next album" and he went for George Jones. He's one of my favorite singers but talk about buzz kill...

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 12 November 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I've actually used this exact move as a tactic to clear out a bar full of squids. For some reason the bar had The Bodyguard soundtrack and I played "I Will Always Love you" like three times in a row.

It didn't work but I still enjoyed the 'dude, who farted?' look they all got on their faces when it came on for a third time.

also this: I've been to a bar where some asshole put one of the songs from F#A#(infinity) on a mix that was playing and then had the nerve to announce it, proudly, to the bartender. It was like a coors ad with a carbon monoxide leak.

Andrew Spaulding (Digestion is Easy!), Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

"For some reason the bar had The Bodyguard soundtrack and I played "I Will Always Love you" like three times in a row.
I enjoyed the 'dude, who farted?' look they all got on their faces when it came on for a third time."

Yeah, sounds like me, when me and my friends used to go to this tiki bar and I'd do the same thing with Kate Smith's "God Bless America."

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

We were all down at Margie's bar
Telling stories if we had one
Someone fired the old jukebox up
The song sure was a sad one
A teardrop rolled down Bubba's nose
From the pain the song was inflicting
And all at once he jumped to his feet
Just like somebody kicked him

Bubba shot the juke box last night
Said it played a sad song it made him cry
Went to his truck and got a forty five
Bubba shot the juke box last night

Bubba ain't never been accused of being mentally stable
So we did not draw an easy breathe
Until he laid that Colt on the table
He hung his head till the cops showed up
They dragged him right out of Margie's
Told him "Don't play dumb with us, son"
"Know damn well what the charge is."

Bubba shot the juke box last night
Said it played a sad song it made him cry
Went to his truck and got a forty five
Bubba shot the juke box last night

Well, the sheriff arrived with his bathrobe on
The confrontation was a tense one
Shook his head said, "Bubba Boy,"
"You was always a dense one."
Reckless discharge of a gun
That's what the officers are claiming
Bubba hollered, "Reckless! Hell!"
"I shot just where I was aiming."

Bubba shot the juke box last night
Said it played a sad song it made him cry
Went to his truck and got a forty five
Bubba shot the juke box stopped it with one shot
Bubba shot the jukebox last night
Well he could not tell right from wrong
Through the teardrops in his eyes
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
It was justifiable homicide
Bubba shot the juke box stopped it with one shot
Bubba shot the jukebox last night

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I go to a bar that has a fairly indie-centric jukebox with one Miles Davis album on it (Birth of the cool) and without fail I will put some Miles on whenever I go in the place. So classic.

struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

in other words, playing really introspective or "difficult" music in a public space...

i, and probably a lot of other people on this board, desperately wish there was a public place for the playing of difficult music for enjoyment sake. i guess that's called my flat by myself.

i'm not sure if it's worse to play something heavy in the bar situation, or something mind-crushingly terrible, like say bon jovi.

killa bee (killabee), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

dud
I used to think I wanted to here certain songs or genres and have made up in my head many mix CDs I would play if I were a bartender and how great the response would be--but it's total bullshit. So I maintain that good bar music is the greatest number of songs the most people can safely ignore. Jazz is to the left of ignore-able music, bordering on "so boring I'm going to fall asleep in this fucking booth." Monster Metal or some Load records jerkoff stuff would tend to be to the right, in the "this is a bar not a psych ward experiment and I haven't eaten any fucking mushrooms tonight" area. Naturally this depends on the person, as by my definition, a good night at the bar for me would sound like a Tracy Chapman CD and a handful of Better Than Ezra b-sides, and that makes me want to throw up.

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

What do I care? I"M DRUNKKKKKKKKK!

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

So you're ready to chop off your ears?

From the Moon to Pluto Back Down to Earth (Rrrickey), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

i, and probably a lot of other people on this board, desperately wish there was a public place for the playing of difficult music for enjoyment sake. i guess that's called my flat by myself.

I'm with you there. the omnipresence of simpering chart tosh, shitty dance music and corporate indie is the main reason I don't go to bars much. rock bars only play vintage rawk and the likes of my chemical turdmance. even so-called jazz bars only churn out despicable middle of the road lounge stuff and jamie cullum. and besides, 9 out of 10 bars sell 12 types of overpriced piss-weak lager and no proper adult beers. where can I go for a vicious pint of exmoor beast and a bit of sun ra or harvey milk?

I've often considered opening a bar purely to provide a venue for people who share my tastes in beer and music. I'm sure there's a market for it.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Monday, 13 November 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

The only bar I ever went to in order to hear the jukebox music was the late lamented Lili's 21 in scenic downtown Hamtramck, MI. Alan K. stocked it with stuff that would get popular 2 to 6 months after it was on the box there. But during the days, I'd drop in & Arthur L. and I would contemplate the latest jazz finds as we'd sample an adult beverage or two.

I am a die hard jazzbo, but not offended by timmy tannin's question. Just wondering why anyone would go to ANY bar to hear the f*n jukebox. If I can hear the jukebox in my favorite bars, it only means there aren't enough people there to absorb the rancid sounds of the latest jukebox crap. But I would dearly love to choose a whole LPs worth of Ornette's "Skies of America" than hear another lame ass Nelly joint.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)


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