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I just got the ORNETTE COLEMAN; THE COMPLETE ATLANTIC RECORDINGS - i am so psyched!!

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(haha stefan j's scum list list is titled GET THE PARTY STARTED!!)

but say things about ORNETTE! i WUV him!!

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my mum saw ornette in 62

gareth, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

his saxamaphone is made of plastic!! hurrah!!! (what did she think gareth?)

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ill ask

gareth, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Scum list= Vital if you want to get hold of some of handful of dust's/Gate recordings (and other 'stuff). You also get some of his one liners as well.

julio Desouza, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my original uncut "bangs" piece in wire had a little section on the scum list, julio => as a work of genuine critical intelligence (which of course it is) and why so

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ornette= He writes some really beautiful melodies. That's the first thing that struck me on listening to 'The shape of Jazz to come'. I couldn't undestand why jazz fans around that time were so upset (but I am listening to Jazz from the post-bebop-to-beginning, which I haven't got to yet).

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark- will the uncut version ever be published? or will you put it up on the web?

Stefan J= does he write for any publications?

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i intend it to go up on sparks in stone lanes — it's sport of the secret reason i start my whole blog empire hoho — but one of the reasons i allowed all the cuts was that i knew it NEEDED work and i knew i had lost focus and perspective in the centre of it; since not all the cuts/suggestions from wire central were bad, by any means, i need to incorporate the ones which work (and also twist it to respond to some much better observations and responses from frank kogan and don allred)... and as usual i haven't quite got round to it

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been very tempted to get this, but I already have 3 albums from this period on CD, so I'm torn between just buying the rest of the albums and getting the box. What should I do?

o. nate, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well i haven't got it home yet but it has "unreleased material" (ie not on the LPs) AND a big fat little booklet

HOWEVAH scum list = second-hand, so i paid under the odds

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"in all languages" put little jess off jazz for several years.

also, his bassist (billy higgins?) and his little speech was about the only thing to actually move me in kb's jazz doc.

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The best box set ever! Also got my copy 2ndhand (what's wrong w/ these ppl?) when I was working at the Record and Tape. The Lee Friedlander pics alone are wonderful, esp. the ones of the group wearing shades and looking like the coolest cats in the world (I love the Don Cherry quote that they use in the booklet - "The day I met Ornette it was about 90 degrees and he had on an overcoat. I was scared of him.") The remastering is excellent - really brings Charlie Haden out like never before - and it's got EVERY extant recording that Ornette and chums made for Atlantic (apparently some of the session tapes were lost forever in a big warehouse fire, d'oh.) Ornette's intro text is wonderfully barmy - "The music here was written many years before it became records (was and is)" - and even the Robert Palmer essay ain't too bad.

And yeah, listening to these recs now, after all the hoo-ha, it's just amazing to hear how tuneful they are - it really doesn't seem like that big a leap forward from Charlie Parker, there's the same sense of funky urgency and sheer joy in the playing. That moment in the middle of 'Eventually' where Don Cherry leaps in and repeats a little melody line that Ornette has just played = sublime.

SJ = secret pussycat. Always one of the nicest ppl I ever served during my time at the R+T. A line he wrote in a Sonny Sharrock review for FE has always stuck in my mind - "noize ain't just abt some hairy twat bending over an amp". Once saw SJ play a REALLY painful set with a saxophonist at the Purcell Rooms - major audience walk- outs, esp. when he started sticking bits of metal into his guitar strings. It made my teeth ache (really!)

Andrew L, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All y'all -- I'd like to know what your favorite individual album is from this set. Mine is The Shape of Jazz To Come (I've only heard a couple others, though.)

Mark, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't heard the whole set, but of the three I have from this period, my favorite is The Art of the Improvisers. It's not really a proper album per se, but a collection of outtakes and unreleased tracks that came out some years before the box set.

o. nate, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

fave ornette = "dancing in yr head." fonk-ay.

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, that's not from the Atlantic years.

Mark, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

um can i wait till i've finished listening before i answer? (if not: ans = DISC 4)

one of my favourite evah r*chard cook pieces (in WIRE #3!!) was about don cherry's playing on these records

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's the only one i own!

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

if pressed, i shall say disc four too (for i haf just looked it up) for the Hot Title Cut (TM 2002 Clear Channel) and for free jazz (yeah, yeah life changing blah blahfreeesqueakblatthonksqqqqqqqquuuibgrebegrebegrebe.)

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the thing ewber-coolsters know to say is that "first take" is of course BETTAH than "free jazz" fnof fnof (adjusts snood)

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i just wanted the opportunity to say the word grebe again.

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''SJ = secret pussycat. Always one of the nicest ppl I ever served during my time at the R+T. A line he wrote in a Sonny Sharrock review for FE has always stuck in my mind - "noize ain't just abt some hairy twat bending over an amp". Once saw SJ play a REALLY painful set with a saxophonist at the Purcell Rooms - major audience walk- outs, esp. when he started sticking bits of metal into his guitar strings. It made my teeth ache (really!)''

Was it Alan Wilkinson on saxophone, andrew? I've got a CD of this duo called 'In a Sentimental Mood' on Incus. It is painful and beautiful as well. I have to see jaworzyn live. Hopefully it'll happen.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.grebe.shuswap.net/images/grebes.gif

mark s, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

any of a family (Podicipedidae) of swimming and diving birds closely related to the loons but having lobate toes -- compare DABCHICK

o. nate, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anthony has a very weird impression of me.

jess, Friday, 5 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio - Sorry, I can't remember if it was Wilkinson or not (Tom E might remember - he was there too.) Funny thing was, this guy had the biggest sax you've ever seen, and he looked like he was trying to burst a vein in his forehead in the approved Brotzmann manner, but he could hardly be heard over all the gtr noize.

Andrew L, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"... the best statements Negroes have made, of what their soul is, have been on tenor saxophone": Ornette to A. B. Spellman, sleevenotes to ORNETTE ON TENOR (Atlantic, 1962)

mark s, Saturday, 6 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the best thing about the ornette box set is the photos of him hiding in the bushes while he plays his saxophone

bob snoom, Monday, 8 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To paraphrase that great harmolodist, Emma Bunton: what took you so long, Mark?

Pretty well definitive as far as these things go (though does not have the later "double quartet" session with Cherry, Bobby Bradford, Steve Lacy, Haden, Izenzon, Blackwell and Moffett, the tapes of which may or may not have been lost in a fire) though feel uneasy about the Ken Burns/Marsalis way of appreciating OC, i.e. the Atlantics and maybe the Golden Circle Blue Notes are all you need, smartly skirting the need to address his considerably more radical later music (Science Fiction - my personal favourite and the fifth greatest album ever made - Skies of America, Dancing In Your Head, Tone Dialing - the latter of which may be the most radical thing he has ever done).

And why oh WHY (Points of View tribute) do Impulse not reissue the incandescent "Crisis" '69 live album? The version of Song For Che almost cuts that on Liberation Music Orchestra. Cherry, Haden, Redman and Denardo all in attendance.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

if it was the complete ATLANTIS recordings (a) how many aqualungs does ornette need to take with him to record the whole box set (b) are there bushes to hide behind in atlantis ???

bob snoom, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The one I keep waiting for someone to reissue domestically is _Friends & Neighbors_--featuring everybody who lived on Ornette's block on lead vocals!

I'm also weirdly fond of _The Empty Foxhole_, though clearly that's one of the more screwed-up records of his career (featuring his 11-year-old son on drums).

Douglas, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BMG did reissue Friends & Neighbours about 2-3 years ago, but I'm not sure whether it's still on catalogue.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

*covet*

poortheatre, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone else going to see Ornette at the South Bank next week then and/or Cecil T the night before?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 07:28 (eighteen years ago)


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