"not really a deep and meaningful person like Glenn Hansard seems to be"

2) Yes. Bad lyrics are noticeable. Good lyrics pass by. Great lyrics you write on your binder for school and quote to all your friends.

I think the other category is cryptic lyrics. I mean, have you ever tried to decipher a Pixies song? I've just stopped trying and learned to love the music. Cryptic lyrics are placed into the categories of bad/good/great, often as a matter of taste.

Personally a bad lyric is a lyric that is so overwhelmingly bad, it affects my ability to appreciate the rest of the song; there are unfortunately too many examples of this. A good lyric is the opposite, it enhances the song. Take for example The Beatles' "I Am the Walrus". I have no idea what the lyrics mean, yet when I hear them scream "Expert textpert choking smokers, Don't you thing the joker laughs at you?" I can't explain why, but its a lyric that makes me feel good.

Then there is a song like Amiee Mann's "Momentum", whose lyrics I love. The lyrics are pretty simple, yet they cut to the heart of human emotion with wit and clarity. Now those are great lyrics.

RIP

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/glen-hansard-once-musician-dead-obituary-1235600244/

well…

28 February 1988 (age 38)
Valašské Meziříčí, Czechoslovakia

Her parents organized a music festival in Czechia and booked the Frames, Glen Hansard's band, which is how she first met him, in 2001, at the age of 13. Hansard played a large part not only in her development as an artist and songwriter but also in launching her career. They began a romantic relationship during the filming of Once and broke up in 2009.

There were always horrific rumours around him at my university.

I've often felt tempted to start a thread, on here and in other places, about how deep is only ever used sarcastically or defensively ("I'm not saying it's DEEP or anything"), no one ever fesses up to believing that anything is actually deep.

xpost ok maybe this isn't the thread for my post

... oh I see someone else has highlighted this story.

But yeah the music itself at university we listened to a lot of Frames, the three I listened to most were Fitzcarraldo, Dance the Devil and Burn the Maps. Anything after that I had heard a lot and, again this was a very popular band at my university, and it’s one of those things where it’s not so much “there’s no smoke without fire” as “is anyone else seeing that?” Then Once and the huge romantic story came out and I never wanted to watch it, and then there was stuff like this:

The on-screen romance was mirrored in real life, despite the age gap between Hansard and Irglová, who were 37 and 19 at the time of filming. “I had been falling in love with her for a long time, but I kept telling myself she’s just a kid,” Hansard said, with Irglová saying: “The friendship and connection that you’re watching on screen between Glen and I exists, and it did grow into a deeper love afterwards.”

So yeah, I had heard all that and there was all this stuff about their great love and it confirmed everything I’d heard (can’t find a source for the payg phone he allegedly gave her though?) So that was really the end of that. Also, I heard in the early noughties that Fake was supposed to be about Damien Rice, to bring this back full circle.

i dint know he was in the commitments

This is clear enough

https://nekocase.substack.com/p/in-what-fucking-universe

I had to read that a couple of times, seems like "the bass player" was the innocent party...

Yes, Neko acknowledges that near the end.

Yeah, I missed that the first time so thought I'd mention it. So, Mr Deep&Meaningful puts the boot into a developing friendship just in case, and denigrates everyone (except himself).

Just saw this on IG, v relevant

https://www.instagram.com/p/Db3OKe4AIPA

I had missed Neko's followup post:

https://substack.com/@nekocase/p-210042924