New Order might have said goodbye in Buenos Aires
..The last live show ever..
Bassist Peter Hook confirmed what -until saturday- his partner Stephen Morris told Página/12 before the Personal Fest show. They say nowadays they look as the "old guys of the neighbourhood...
by Roque Casciero and Mariano Blejman
..This might be our last concert ever... Bassist Peter Hook talks and the show he mentions is the one New Order did last saturday night in Buenos Aires closing Personal Fest´s main stage. The interview in which Hook confirmed their split -at least temporary- to Página/12 it was given right before the band´s gig, in one of the comfortable dressing rooms in club Ciudad de Buenos Aires, where the festival took place. But before talking to the bassist it was drummer Stephen Morris who throwed the first stone when we reminded him that in 2007 it would be the 30th anniversary of the band, first as Joy Division and then -after Ian Curtis suicide in March 18th 1980- as main characters of the crossover between dance and new wave New Order. The drummer said they didn´t think about anything special for the anniversary: "We´re not very good in making plans. The good thing about when we started in Factory (their first label, which is shown in the 24Hour Party People movie) was that you didn´t have to plan what you were going to do. You could write a song and say "this could be a good single" and then release it two weeks later. You can´t do that anymore, you have to write and record an album... But the truth is that we´re not good planning anything, so i couldn´t say what are we going to do do next year".
..So, how´s the band´s present?
Stephen Morris: ..I really don´t know. This is a strange time to be New Order... It was good a couple of years ago when everyone was saying we were "god-like geniuses" (New Musical Express gave them an award with that name) and the fans recognized the band. In some point now there´re a lot of New Orders around and we´re the old guys of the neighbourhood, so we should stop for a while and let them take our place.
..But the thing is that you´ve been a huge influence first as dark post punk as Joy Division and then in the mix of dance and new wave as New Order
..Yes, yes. I don´t know, it´s good to be remembered, it´s really an honor. And the influence is positive because we´ve been very influenced by Iggy Pop, The Velvet Underground, David Bowie and people like that, besides punk rock, and we don´t sound like them. But the influence goes beyond New Order, there´s like a new "new wave" or something like that. That´s why i´d like to try something different, although is not that easy when you come to certain age. Besides, when you do find something different it´s because you crash into it, not because you plan "hey, i´m going to do something different".
..That sounds like there will be no more New Order
..Uhmmmmmm... I could say there won´t be New Order for a couple of years, but as i said before we´re bad planning things so let´s see what happens.
..Are you going to take another 8 years like between Republic and Get Ready?
..(Laughs) What happened is that we got seven songs left from Waiting for the Siren..s Call (2005) and we didn´t want to make an album that was the rest of another one. Besides, WFTSC wasn´t a successful record for our label to say "yes, yes, yes!" but more like "uhmm, maybe"
..Do you feel like you did your job or something like that?
..No. The trick is not getting attached to what you do because you´ll be repeating the same thing again and again. Sometimes you just have to stop what you´re doing and get ready to learn again instead of becomming a copy machine.
Singer Bernard Sumner declined giving interviews in Buenos Aires, saying that he had a cold that we didn´t notice during the show. But Hook, who apart from walking around his trade mark sound for all the main stage also did a DJ set on the Personal Fest, was as honest as Morris about New Order´s future. ..It´s time that we stop and think about what do we want to do.., he said. ..It´s wonderful to stop when you have to do it. Sometimes when you´re lucky to have it all you don´t appreciate it as you should. So you need a reminder of how things were when you didn´t have it all. In this moment we do have it all, so maybe it´s time that we lose it, maybe to start feeding again. That´s how i feel...
..Does that mean that your first show in Buenos Aires might as well be the last time you play live?
Peter Hook: ..Yes, it might be our last show ever. It might.
..Or maybe it´s a matter of waiting another 8 years to see you guys together as it happened once?
..Maybe another 17, or 30...
..30 years is exactly your annyversary together next year
..Well, we´ve been 29 years together, i don´t think another year could make any difference really
..But are your personal relationships ok?
..Yes, yes, we still hate each other (laughs). It´s a love-hate thing
..Do you have other plans?
..Yes, i´m full of plans. I´m forming a band with Mani (Gary Mournfield, from Primal Scream and ex Stone Roses) and Andy Rourke (ex The Smiths), that is called Freebass.
..But you´re three bass players...
..Sure, that´s the secret (winks an eye)
...
So, it sounds like any interview post-Republic really, granted.
― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Grell (Grell), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)
only then zoom forward and record "here to stay", "krafty" and "wftsc" itself. and "working overtime", if you must. oh, and maybe - maybe - "crystal".
but seriously, woah, dudes. split up, stop it with the tedious sub-guitar shit, then - just maybe - you can be considered again for the prestigious "grimly's favourite band ever" slot currently occupied by earl brutus. now there's a bunch of old fuckers who knew when to call it a day.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)
yes.
wicked |ˌwɪkɪd| adjective ( -eder, -edest ) evil or morally wrong
abso-fucking-lutely.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
But: http://www.pagina12.com.ar/buscador/resultado.php?q=new+order
Most recent search result: July 2005. Even when logged in. (manually enter the login details from b*gmenot, that worked for me)
Search is not broken, because if you look for an article that's now on the front page, it gives the correct result: e.g.http://www.pagina12.com.ar/buscador/resultado.php?q=sueldos+adeudados
So: where in Pagina/12 ?
― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebass
― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)
fucking nonsense
― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Thursday, 23 November 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)
When I found out that they still hadn't even started work on doing music for the Ian Curtis film Control like they said they were doing what must be almost a year from now, I just lost all faith, really. And no second album from the - what the fuck was their last album now? To be honest it registers not at all with me. Get Ready was so much better than WFTSC in hindsight it's embarassing to me.
And I just don't care. We'd expect it of them. Another Regret/Republic death, then. Maybe for good. Oh well.
I'm just kindof feeling weird about the fact that it seems like most people would expect me to care about my favourite band's fate but I don't. I really don't. Maybe there will be amazing solo projects, maybe not. Let it be, man. Just let it be.
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 06:54 (nineteen years ago)
Rumours are also off the money. Expect gigs next year.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/suplementos/espectaculos/3-4537-2006-11-20.html
― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)
Yep.
better still, invent a time machine and call it a day before "get ready".
only then zoom forward and record "here to stay", "krafty" and "wftsc" itself. and "working overtime" ...
LOLOLOLOLOL at a guy who hates on all of "Get Ready" but wants to preserve "Working Overtime".
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)
They don't like touring much, even at their low level, but there is no chance that they'll pack in completely yet. No chance.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)
it's true that Low Life really needs a remastering job though
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)
― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)
Fucking forget it man, when The Eternal gets fired up, there's nowhere to go but genius.
I love you all.
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)
**The only one of Joy Division's gigs where Martin Hannett was at the soundboard?**
No, I don't think so.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)
God bless, etc.
it was something you only might have imagined in your mind
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)
waht
― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)
A very loud version 24 Hours is throbbing in my ears,
it's too late
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)
― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)
Surely there was only one gig with Hannett at the soundboard. I fear you're trying to play tricks on me!
Only one.
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)
Yeah, I wondered that, as Mr Morris pretty much said "Def Not"
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)
I saw them around a dozen times. First time Oct 1978 with Cabaret Voltaire and The Tiller Boys!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)
xp
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)
Get Ready and WFTSC haven't been embarrassing (apart from ROCK THE SHACK) or anything and both certainly have their moments. But I don't really want to witness New Order going through middle-age playing tepid sub-guitar rock anymore.
― wordy rappaport (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)
-- 2 american 4 u (n...), Today. (blueski) (later)
Hah, me too
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)
-- grimly fiendish (simonmai...), November 23rd, 2006.
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― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)
no, i don't understand it either. all i know is that "working overtime" makes me grin like a loon - i like its ramshackle comedy feel - while stuff like, say, "60MPH" just sounds soul-less and drab.
every so often i think, right, lots of people adore "get ready", i must be wrong about it. and i go back and listen and i just can't find anything to love.
i listened to WFTSC in the gym the other week and it didn't do a great deal for me either. yet i go back and listen to "low-life" and my heart is on fire.
to each their own, i guess. and they're still capable of greatness, i know that ... i just wish they'd reach for the stars more often.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)
Lowlife is an alright album, "Love Vigilantes" is so wonderful, everything else is in it's shade which is probably unfair.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)
I'd rank the albums thus :
1. Movement2. WFTSC3. PC&L4. Technique5. Lowlife6. Brotherhood7. Republic8. Get Ready
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)
1. technique2. PCL3. brotherhood4. movement5. republic6. low-life
big, BIG gap ...
98. WFTSC99. get ready
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)
― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)
Also recently on another thread someone told Donut there was no need for him to own Republic. I thought that was a stunningly accurate assessment. But Regret is pretty cool to hear every once in awhile.
― Only The Stones Remain (Bimble...), Thursday, 23 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
on the Power, Corruption and Lies tour
at Billy Barty's Roller Fantasy in Fullerton
I'll just get my coat
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)