Rolling US Charts Thread, 2007

Even I had more faith in the American record-buying public than that.

we've discussed both, i don't remember which thread

I've been doing so to anyone who'll listen for the last couple months.

E'en so, here below below: 'Waiting On The World To Change' has got a second wind! It rises to a new peak of #15 from last week's 22, inbetween minor residual climbers Unk and Snow Patrol. 'Runaway Love' also looks to be getting its tail up (17 from 26), along with The Third Justin Timberlake Single (21 from 34), 'Promise' (22 from 27), Fat Joe's 'Piss On You (Remix ft. Lil Wayne)' (27 from 31), Daughtry (surely DAUGHTERISER? 28 from 38, anyhow), The Snoop-R Squad (29 from 37), KT Tunstall As Heard On The Hit Show 'Ugly Betty' (30 from 43), Lloyd ft. Lil Wayne (31 from 47), 'She's Everything' (40 from 46), 'Through Glass' (41 from 44 after 23 weeks - an appropriately slow and angsty rise, then), and 'Watching You' (44 from 48).

New to the 50 - Omarion!, who should perhaps consider getting an exclamation mark permanently appended (45 from 51 for 'Ice Box'), Augustana's 'It's My Piano And I'll Cry If I Want To' (46 from 58), and Hellogoodbye (48 from 52).

That might just be to clear the way for 'What Goes Around...', though, which rockets from 21 to 12, dragging 'Runaway Love' (13 from 17), 'Promise' (17 from 22), 'You' (18 from 31), 'Make It Rain' (19 from 27 - is this the first instance of back-to-back Lil Wayne guest spots in the top 20?), 'Walk Away' (20 from 23) and 'It's Not Over' (21 from 28) along with it.

'That's That' rises to 25 from 29, while leaps are also made by 'Ice Box' (30 from 45), 'The Sweet Escape' (31 from 53), 'Snow' (33 from 39), 'I Luv It' (34 from 38), 'Boston' (37 from 46), 'Here (In Your Arms)' (38 from 48), 'Watching You' (39 from 44), 'Tim McGraw' (40 from 43) and 'Top Back' (50 from 58).

DAUGHTERISER climbs from 21 to 6, presumably aided by his/their album being #1. Top 10 is rounded out by fallers - 'Fergalicious', 'Smack That', 'How To Save A Life' and 'Welcome To The Black Parade'.

Another brand new entry in the top 20 - Corbin Bleu's 'Push It To The Limit' (please not cover please) is at 14. 'Runaway Love' climbs to #11. Major leaps for 'The Sweet Escape' (19 from 31), KT Tunstall (23 from 35), 'Here (In Your Arms)' (32 from 38), The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (46 from 52), Keith Urban (47 from 53) and - FOR FUCK'S SAKES - Gym Class Heroes (49 from 83). Nickelback have a brand new entry at 50 with 'If Everyone Cared'.

DAUGHTERISER are #1 in the albums. Corinne Bailey Rae climbs from 32 to 4, apparently aided by Oprah. Which is dreadfully nice of Oprah.

haha their song titles make me laugh

Inside the 20, it's RISE OF THE EMO: Fat Joe is #13, Hellogoodbye are #14, and Gym Class Heroes are this week's AIRPLAY GAINER PRESENTED BY NISSAN SHIFT_2.0, climbing from 28 to 15.

Big movers below that include 'Lost Without U' (29), Akon's 'Don't Matter' (30), Fergie and Ludacris' 'Glamorous' (31), Nickelback (32), The Jonas Brothers' re-doing of 'Year 3000' (STRAIGHT IN AT 40, making them the HOT SHOT PRESENTED BY NISSAN SHIFT_2.0), 'Poppin'' (42), Rihanna ft. Sean Paul (45), T.I. (46), Katharine McPhee (STRAIGHT IN AT 48), and Rich Boy ft. Polow da Don (49).

Norah Jones rules the albums.

I understood the appeal of the previous Furtado singles at least in the abstract, but jeez "Say It Right" is terrible.

That'd be Busted. This said, the JB's version has been kicking around for a good year now, surely?

the Flo-Rida song is the jam of the week on MTV Jams as of a couple days ago, but I hadn't really heard it at all before that. don't know what I really think of the song, but Flo-Rida had the best verse on the (otherwise lousy) last DJ Khaled album so I'm kinda rootin' for him.

T-Pain's go-to hitmaker status isn't really any different or more ubiquitous than a lot of people in recent chart history (Akon a year ago, Lil Jon and Kanye three years ago, even 50 had a couple moments where he had multiple songs in the top 10). it's really just about scared labels chasing any known brand name for a surefire single.

Billboard says Flo-Rida has jumped up to #6, a very impressive leap, though the actual charts haven't been posted yet (Wonder why?). Also note that Colbie Caillat (potential future one hit wonder?) has entered the top five and that Finger Eleven (also potential future one hit wonder?) have entered the top 10. "Kiss Kiss" stays at #1. Won't know what's going on outside the top 10 until the actual charts are posted.

Too late for Finger Eleven - they had a Top 20 charter with "One Thing" in '04.

Colbie Caillat has been sitting at #5 for at least three weeks now.

Flo-Rida is a he?

Shoot, I was hoping for this Florida:

http://www.tvparty.com/vgifs13/goodtimes5.jpg

Also new on the Hot 100 are Lifehouse's "From Where You Are" at No. 61, currently soundtracking an Allstate ad, and CSS' "Music Is My Hot Hot Sex" at No. 84.

???

Oh, it's another fucking iPod ad.

that flo-rida song sounds so shitty. like the most awful treble. actually worst produced than "kiss kiss" and who thought that was possible. flo-rida joint is actually just a more awful "kiss kiss"

i like that song but love how they use it for the ad.

besides picking good songs apple always uses them well.

I mean, good for CSS and all, but that's a second-tier song from that album. Wish they'd have scored a hit with "Let's Make Love..." or "Alala" instead.

that flo-rida song sounds so shitty. like the most awful treble. actually worst produced than "kiss kiss" and who thought that was possible. flo-rida joint is actually just a more awful "kiss kiss"

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:43 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

really? I think "Kiss Kiss" is one of T-Pain's better productions, nice drum programming w/ old school dinky Triton snares, cool wah wah melody. although in the last issue of Scratch when Timbaland was pressed to name songs he thought were biting his/Danja's current style, and he said "Kiss Kiss," which i thought was kinda o_O

i actually like those really cheap sounding snares, too. and i'm still a sucker for when t-pain puts the other ppl on his songs through the auto-tune at random-ass times so their voice comes out all distorto at the end of verses and stuff (love this on "shottas"). something abotu "kiss kiss" just sounds...underwhelming to me. it might have more to do with other chris brown singles—usually slicker than this, no?— than it does with "kiss kiss" itself.

My roundup this week had 2 factual errors in 4 sentences even though the charts hadn't even been posted. How thrilling. I actually kinda like the Colbie Caillat song.

yeah i don't think "kiss kiss" sounds like a danja/timbo thing. i mean basicall all his big dance hits lately have had those clattering, rattling drums. and his songs are usually a lot more spacious than "kiss kiss". ppl using undulating synths does not equal an aesthetic rip off.

To your credit, Greg, Billboard.com were the ones that fucked up: they said that Colbie Caillat moved up 6-5.

Two weeks of recapping to do.

Alicia Keys is in her second week at #1 with "No One," which sits atop the R&B list for a seventh week. T-Pain again guests 4 times in the Top 10. "Clumsy" up to 7. Rihanna and Ne-Yo rebound back into the Top 10 with "Hate That I Love You." "Paralyzer" still bulleted at 11 in its 25th week on the chart. "Just Fine" finally enters the Top 40 in its sixth week - seems kind of a slow burn for a lead single from someone of Mary J.'s caliber. Santana in the Top 40 again with an "Into the Night" that sadly is not a Benny Mardones cover. Britney falls out of the Top 40 - does she have a second single out yet? Never heard of Paramore but they're in at 43 - does their being on Fueled By Ramen tell me all I need to know about their sound? "Before He Cheats," alas, falls off the chart this week, ending its remarkable run. Finally, Colbie Caillat spares herself one-hit-wonderdom expediently as "Mistletoe" enters at 86.

I love "Just Fine" but I get the feeling it's going to end up a moderately received warmup single -- her next single is already out, in an iTunes ad, and sounds a bit more obviously tailored to urban radio. Paramore are pretty great teenage girl-fronted pop punk, and that single is already on its way down, peaked at 34 and the follow-up has a video (although I don't think it's nearly as good as "Misery Business," but their album is loaded with potential hits).

keys is killing TRL now and i don't even really like this song all that much.

alex is the paramore album that good?

it could be better, but like i said, several songs i think i'd enjoy hearing on the radio as much as "Misery Business."

i hate hate hate "No One" and am depressed by the much better "Like You'll See Me Again"'s currently very slow rise (actually down a spot this week from 45 to 46).

that single might end up being something like "shut up and drive" i.e. slowly climbing up the charts as the first single dominates at #1, utlimately peaking at something like 12 before slowly descending.

Britney falls out of the Top 40 - does she have a second single out yet?

"Piece of Me" debuted at #80 two weeks ago and held there last week, not sure what it's done since (obviously not in top 50, though).

I keep forgetting I want to hear the Paramore album, but yeah "Misery Business" is A+.

yeah thats one of those songs where i check the awful rock station solely in the hopes that they are playing it.

Britney climbs to 63 this week, per acharts . us

OK,

Alicia Keys remains number one, and "Paralyzer" (which I have totally come around on!) re-enters the top 10, otherwise it's just the normal bouncing about, and I'm shocked how much staying power this Flo Rida song has had. Fergie is climbing ever close to 5 top 5 hits from one album for the first time since ____ (I have no idea). Steady climbers outside the top 10 include "Tattoo", TashBed, "Until the End of Time", "Hypnotized", Paramore and others. Good Charlotte may have stalled out, but their song is similar to and almost as good as "Paralyzer".

"Piece of Me" leaps into the top 50 and may become a genuine hit. "Teardrops on My Guitar" re-enters the top 100 at 44. The local top 40 stations in Atlanta have been playing a pop remix of this song. Any comments? Predictions? Rooting interests?

Also, wtf Wyclef has a new hit now? I had no idea he was still relevant and have heard nothing from him since (the still awesome) "Perfect Gentleman".

Triple post warning "All I Want For Christmas Is You" is making its annual climb into the top 10 of the digital sales chart and I love the song and all but doesn't everybody own it at this point?

Erstwhile ILXor (and VH1 World Series of Pop Culture co-champion) The Good Dr. Bill (who writes a pretty good, though irregularly published, charts feature on his blog) commented on the Wyclef song thusly: Also, Wyclef has his first top 40 hit in ages with “Sweetest Girl” (though I have a feeling Akon and Lil’ Wayne might have a bit more to do with it).

Yeah, Clef's been making a moderate comeback this year aligning himself with big current artists, producing for T.I., etc. I doubt it'll really go anywhere or make him ubiquitous again, but fwiw I think "Sweetest Girl" is one of the best singles Wayne or Akon has been on lately.

I don't hear any similiarity between "Paralyzer" and "I Don't Wanna Impregnate Nicole Richie (Dance Floor Anthem)," besides that they're both upbeat, vaguely dancey rock songs.

VH1 World Series of Pop Culture co-champion) The Good Dr. Bill

Foreal?

Foreal.

Unless I'm mistaken, with "Clumsy" now at #5, this makes The Dutchess the first album to have at least 5 songs go top 5 since Mariah Carey's debut.

Other albums to have accomplished this feat: Rhythm Nation 1814 (holds the record with SEVEN top 5 hits), True Blue, Forever Your Girl, and Thriller. Maybe more -- I was just searching through the discography section on the usual suspects' Wikipedia pages.

OK, there were six from Faith.

Sucks that such a horrible, horrible artist is the one to reach that feat.

That's interesting, especially considering that all of those albums have sold at least 7 million domestically (The Dutchess is currently triple platinum in the U.S.).

I've often wondered what it was about that 1983-91 period, starting with Michael Jackson and ending with Mariah Carey and encompassing George Michael, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Janet Jackson, and Paula Abdul, that spawned all of those blockbuster albums with multiple singles lighting up the charts. Why doesn't that happen anymore?

I think because music is too splintered now, with different artists for different target audiences. Fergie comes closest to being one of those "reach out to everyone" types.

It might have something to do with how for most of the 90s, major labels stopped releasing a lot of big hits as physical singles available in stores (which would also explain why an iTunes queen like Fergie is one of the first people since then to make such an achievement). Plus that was just the prime era for big MTV-branded pop idols.

Those are both good points. What's interesting is that it didn't happen before the 1980s, either, and I'm guessing that's partially because artists tended to release albums more quickly instead of milking each one. For instance, Elton John had seven top 5 hits between 1974-75, but they were spread out between four albums and a stand-alone single.

Btw, Janet Jackson's Control had 5 in the top 5, too.

cool to see "flashing lights" and "piece of me" rising.

also awesome to see "duffel bag boy" still climbing. i don't really like the song all that much but i might buy it this week. anyone know why it's still moving up? i'm assuming it's just now starting to get picked up across the country?

"Piece of Me" dropped two, actually.

oh :(
i didn't notice it in the top 50 last week. or read this thread apparently.

yeah I'm a little surprised "Duffle Bag Boy" is still climbing, but it's a dope song, one of my favorite singles of the year, so good for them. surprised that "Tattoo" has gone top 10, somehow i doubt that'll save Jordin's album from looking like a flop.

I don't like the Bedingfield song w/ Sean Kingston much, but I'm kind of happy to see it climb because it at least raises the chances of her album being released in the U.S. sometime soon and possibly "Babies" finally becoming a single here (although apparently they changed the album's title and switched out a bunch of songs for new ones for the U.S. release, so maybe not).

man they play the shit out of "tattoo" here, but also that elliot yamin single (which i think is pretty great) so it might just be an idol thing.

Well, all in all, Yamin and Sparks are pretty much on equal footing as far as sales figures and single airplay, but he's done really well for an underdog AI runner-up on an independent label, while she's done really poorly for an AI champ's debut album. I'm sure most pop radio formats are all over pretty much anythig by even the mid-level Idol alumni, though.

i guess it's hurting sparks that she doesn't really have a niche audience? like daughtry's singles charted on modern rock and his first two went number one on adult top 40 (unless that's wiki vandalism cuz i can't imagine my mom listening to daughtry). underwood has country, fantasia's status as a major pop star are kinda nill but she still charts pretty high on r&b as does ruben studdard. only real major pop-only crossover has been clarkson. it seems that sparks might be going the clay aiken route.

man they play the shit out of "tattoo" here

Here too. I listen to the radio pretty casually (the couple times a week I'm in the car), but I've heard it WAY more than the Alicia Keys song at the top of the chart, for example.

Looking at yes.com, I see that "No One" is actually getting more airplay than "Tattoo" on the two Chicago stations I listen to, but "Tattoo" is #3 on one station and #6 on the other, which is far better than the national average (it's #18 on the Airplay chart).

Add to they play Sparks and Yamin constantly here too (here = Atlanta, GA). Excited to see "Paralyzer" still climbing.

1. Why have the charts been so boring (read: stagnant) lately? Ongoing trend or just the way it's been?
2. Any guesses for Billboard top 10 singles of the year? "Umbrella" is a lock, maybe "Don't Matter".

The top 10 for the year actually were:

1. Beyonce - "Irreplaceable"
2. Rihanna ft. Jay Z - "Umbrella"
3. Gwen Stefani ft. Akon - "The Sweet Escape"
4. Fergie - "Big Girls Don't Cry"
5. T-Pain ft. Yung Joc - "Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin')"
6. Carrie Underwood - "Before He Cheats"
7. Plain White T's - "Hey There Delilah"
8. Akon ft. Snoop Dog - "I Wanna Love You"
9. Nelly Furtado - "Say It Right"
10. Fergie ft. Ludacris - "Glamorous"